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Here it is, let us have it!! This thread is inspired from a discussion that started in the "Who are you?" thread, that was kind of hijacked. :haha:
Feel free to give us your opinions on Firearms. :assault: :2gun: :rifle: :2guns: Are you against them? Do you like them? Fill us in on some viewpoints we may not have seen before.
State your opinion, and share your feelings, weak or STRONG. :bs: Just keep it PG-13. Thanks.
Interesting points. I have a tendancy to not believe statistics of any topic at first, but I don't think these are that far out of range.Quote:
Originally Posted by TreeHugger
On the other hand, this is a good point also. I've lived in the British Isles for a couple of years, and went back again. I have seen the "knife" culture there as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superriffic S*
There was/is plenty of crime to go around over there, and guns were hardly mentioned. There have been many bank robberies at knifepoint.
I am pretty neutral on this. But I voted "I'll never give up my guns!!" Not quite as liberal as that statement or this picture. :haha: But I do value FREEDOM and feel that we all benefit from living in this country. I try to respect the freedoms that others choose.
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Heres a good case study for you on gun bans:
Guns are absolutely and completely illegal in Mexico (surprising considering it is a country where pretty much everything else IS legal). Virtually none of the general public owns them. The only people that own them are Policemen and Criminals who get them regardless of legality.
What is the situation like? Corrupt policemen and criminals who are very confident and malicious.
I have a friend who was on a bus in northern mexico that got Hijacked and robbed. Would you feel safe hijacking a GreyHound?
Is the crime rate in Mexico lower? Are Mexican cities safter places to live than American cities? Would society be safer if we took guns away from the general public and then spent millions trying in futulity to take them away from the criminals? Do I need to answer these questions?
Good points about Mexico. I spent a few years down in Ecuador on a mission, and it was a pretty common sight to see a guy murdered on the front page of every newspaper, every day. The weapon of choice used in the homicide? A MACHETE!! In Latin America, the Machete is one of the most commonly used murder weapons.
If people are gonna commit murder, they'll find a way -- guns or no guns.
Okay, this is the problem with this kind of statistic. It leaves nothing to comparasion. How many kids kill them selves with a drug overdose? How often does that happen?Quote:
* Every six hours, an American between 10 & 19 years ol commits suicide with a gun.
Yet another bullsh*t statsitic. How many 15-24 year olds do you know that have died of natural causes? Most 15-24 year olds die from motor vehicle accidents.Quote:
* More people between the ages of 15 and 24 are killed with guns than by all natural causes combined.
The CDC doesn't break it down into this age group. Obviously, someone is twisting the statistics to prove a point.Quote:
* Gunshot wounds are the number two killer of all Americans ages 10 to 34.
how many latchkey children have access to a pool or chemicals? Both kill more than guns.Quote:
* A recent survey found that more than 1.2 million elementary school age latchkey children hav household access to a gun.
How many of those 18% resonpsibly own a firearm? Live in rural areas where they grow upw ith them.Quote:
* A recent survey found that 18% of suburban high school students own a handgun.
* Another survey found that 35% of hight school students from high crime areas carry guns regularly.
Probably because people who don't own guns don't shoot people. Accidentially or not. No mention of how many crimes like home invasions are stopped by firearms.Quote:
* The gun you own for self protection is 43 times more likely to kill an innocent acquaintance than to be used for self-defense.
And yet, all of those countries with the exception of Great Britian have higher suicide rates per capita. So people there still find a way, and in greater per capita numbers then the USA.Quote:
* In one recent year, there were 18 handgun homicides in Australia, 33 in Great Britain, 36 in Sweden, 60 in Japan, 97 in Switzerland, 128 in Canada and 13,495 in the United States.
Rock_ski
Very good point. I'd bet money Mexico has a higher muder and crime rate.....
http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-fa...4-0-Screen.pdf
Good info there, with government facts and stats to back it up.
Wow, your right! Mexico is a piece of sh*t country. That means guns are cool. IQuote:
Originally Posted by rock_ski_cowboy
You're funny. Guns are just a tool. Just like a car, a chainsaw, or a pocket knife.
You can call me a pu**y all you want. I've been called worse in the last 24 hours.
OK, once again, we dont need to look at other comparisons because the topic/debate is about GUNS. Drownings, stabbings, chemicals, suicides, car accicidents are irrelevant. We're looking at the impact of GUNS on society. Your arguments are just silly, in my opinion. You totally have the right to have your lovely little guns, but that doesnt make you automatically right - there are a lot of people being hurt and killed, kids included, accidentally or needlessly, by guns, period. Do the advantages of having guns outweigh the risk? In your opinion, yes, in my opinion, I dont think so. This is the kind of argument that will never be settled, people feel way too strongly on this issue to ever admit there is anything flawed in their thinking... it's really not worth debating any longer to me....Quote:
Originally Posted by JamisJockey
continue on without me...
I don't currently own a gun. When I did it was a shotgun. I would like to own a rifle, once again for hunting purposes.
I don't see the purpose in owning a gun for anything other than hunting. I'm fine if others want to own one for protection or whatever. I don't see how owning a gun will really keep you any safer. You would need to have that gun on you 24/7 to even have a chance of it making you safer. Most people aren't going to have the time to reach for it if attacked. Think about it. If I'm going to be raped (I hope it's that Sam chick on Las Vegas) she would take me from behind slap me upside the head, and other things. I'm not going to be able to get that gun out and use it in an effective manner while scuffling with her, and there is the chance she'd grab it and shoot me with it. I'd rather take a course on how to defend myself by physical means once someone jumps me.
I just don't believe guns are the answer for protection, doesn't make any sense other than a sense of safety. Guns keeping me safe is like George W. keeping me safe with his homeland security BS, going to war with Iraq, and 15,000 check points at the airport.
Ha! How can you say something is needlessly dangerous without a comparison? Hypothesis cannot be formed without a control group.
Oh, and James, I forgot to add:
I am a pu**y. I'm 5'3. I'm 155lbs. I've got kids. I am not going toe to toe with some gang member who wants to carjack my car with my kids in it. I'm going to end any situation I can't get out of in a very quick, violent manner. Especially when it comes to the protection of my wife, children, or home.
[quote=James_B_Wads2000]Wow, your right! Mexico is a piece of sh*t country. That means guns are cool. I
Oh oh oh , I just can't resist any more. You anti-gun nut liberals just kill me. Can we please just ban cell phones. I've had a lot more people almost kill me with their cars + a pleasant cell phone conversation than with guns. Accidental or not. Can the liberals just cede from the union, and try to fight off the french pussies when they come to take them over? Ha ha :roflol: You really shouldn't take a stance on anything though. You might be offending someone. Oh right, as long as its just white males, they don't count. They need to be repaying all of the wrongs that their ancestors did to a bunch of people who couldn't stand up for themselves. Isn't evolution a generally accepted liberal principle, perhaps Darwinism? Survival of the fittest? Well, I'm the fittest and I'm going to kick your ass. How do you feel about that?
BTW - I'm very conservative, but I get along fine with my lib friends. Just get over it. There is a right and a wrong, and you're not right just because you think you are or believe some way. Get over it. Quit being offended by one thing and doing something completely offensive in return. Toughen up, take some personal responsibility, and live your life.
anyone want to read my "why I voted for Bush" blog????
Interesting scenario, I have a suggestion: If you think you'd have enough time to reach for a gun without getting shot, then wouldn't you have enough time to put the car in drive and drive off rather than murder someone in fount of you wife/children? Or maybe give up the car rather than getting killed or killing someone?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamisJockey
You see this is my hang up with gun owners, this idea that deadly force is the way to solve your problems. And the way gun owners fantasize about getting the chance to shoot someone. You create these bullsh*t unlikely and unrealistic scenarios (like the one above) where you, the hero, are in a situation where you committing murder is justified. Murder is sick no matter how you justify it. And in my humble opinion people who own guns with the implied or explicit intention of shooting someone are sick to (guns for hunting or sporting are an exception).
"Guns are for Pussies" is not meant to be taken so literal. A pu**y in this case is someone who is afraid of things in this world that they can't control (other people
Come on taking the high road isn't the way you fight in these flame wars. Your right my personal attack on you (the BYU thing) was uncalled for.Quote:
Originally Posted by rock_ski_cowboy
Internet being society... that's a hard one for me to swallow, but I'll give it to you. But in the end I don't make apologies for the impression I give people. Nor do I give a shit about what people think of me. I am what you see. I don't put on different faces to make friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by rock_ski_cowboy
James
[quote=James_B_Wads2000]"Guns are for Pussies" is not meant to be taken so literal. A pussy in this case is someone who is afraid of things in this world that they can't control (other people
What a cop out. Do you feel as though you are losing your argument? Maybe feel a little out numbered? So you have to put out the "it's really not worth debating any longer to me..." comment? I think that the conversation on guns always turns into the conversation on violence as a whole and until all you gun hating people realize that there will be violence in numerous forms no matter what... we will always continue this debate. And, again... if you want to kill someone, you will find a way. Whether with a gun, knife, machete, mallet, poison or the infamous 5 pressure point kill that will stop your heart and leave no trace (thanks, Kill Bill).Quote:
Originally Posted by TreeHugger
So, in the immortal words of Cher (Alicia Silverstone) in Clueless (the Movie)... "So, OK, the Attorney General says there is too much violence on T.V. and that should stop. But even if you took out all the violent shows, you could still see the news. So, until mankind is peaceful enough not to have violence on the news, there's no point in taking it out of shows that need it for entertainment value. Thank you."
Oh, and... Life is a Musical!
I'm getting a kick out of all this. :haha: I own three guns: 12gauge shotgun, hunting rifle, and a 22 long pistol. These guns sit in a cupboard in the garage, 15 feet off the ground. They were given to me by my father, and they mean a lot to me (sentimental value). I don't profess that they will make our home safer (obviously, since they're stashed away), but they're great hunting weapons, and the thought of shooting another human being with them repulses me.
Have fun and...flame on!! :twisted: