Any takes on Thomas Monson passing at 90 only to be replaced by a 93 year old?
Seems like an antiquated accession process.
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Any takes on Thomas Monson passing at 90 only to be replaced by a 93 year old?
Seems like an antiquated accession process.
I think it's weird that you know more about his replacement than I do. What kind of strange news feeds are you visiting on a daily basis?Quote:
Originally Posted by DirkHammergate
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Originally Posted by accadacca
Statement from President Donald J. Trump Regarding the Passing of Thomas S. Monson, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Issued on: January 3, 2018Melania and I are deeply saddened by the death of Thomas S. Monson, a beloved President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. While serving for over half a century in the leadership of his church, President Monson demonstrated wisdom, inspired leadership, and great compassion. Considered a prophet by the nearly 16 million members of the LDS Church, his message was one of optimism, forgiveness, and faith. Our thoughts and prayers are with his three children and the rest of the Monson family.
Haters will say it's fake news. How can Trump possibly be so compassionate?
I'm not a believer, but I met Monson a number of times and he was really a nice guy. My mother was head of the Deseret News accounting department for a number of years when Monson was head of the paper. Whenever Monson would see me he would always make it a point to walk over, shake my hand, and tell me how much he appreciated my mother's work. Even after he became president of the church he would always take the time to chat me up for a couple of minutes and to do things like attend my mother's retirement party. Monson was a good man.
KSL.COMQuote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
93 year old Russell Nelson will be the next prophet of the LDS Church if they hold true to form.
That's for MormonsQuote:
Originally Posted by DirkHammergate
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Originally Posted by Sombeech
Which site do us heathens use?
Are you really saying that you're not familiar with the process?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
Because even those of us not from here know its typically the eldest and president of the quorum of the 12.
I guess I think its weird that you don't know.
I worked with a Monson upon arrival in Utah and had seen Thomas Monson speak a few times in the 1985ish time frame. I remember thinking...this guy could be the prophet one day. Was impressive.
Not sure what his legacy will be. Outside looking in (as those of us not from here and not in the flock, so to speak), he was over the church at a rough time. And, following GBH was tough.
Nelson is impressive.
No wonder Orrin retired. He has his eyes on a new gig. :roflol:
No, I know how it works, I just had no idea he was 93. Even though I know how it (usually) works too, I don't always know the names. Some people do, some people are, well, religious about it. I'm not a scholar on who is where and who is next and who does what. I'm not a names guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
I'd eventually find out. But it's funny when non Mormons know more about who it is than I do. Not in a mocking way, it's just funny.
I think many non-believers living in Utah are like me and follow the LDS Church closely because it still has a big impact on our lives. All the leadership of the church has to do is whisper something and shit gets done. For example when the LDS Church came out in favor of studying the benefits of medical marijuana and instantly half of the state is in agreement and thinks it's a great idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
Exactly. Sets the societal tone in a sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Funny...a few years back, I'm driving home after work on a Monday following a conference weekend. I used to rent in Sugarhouse, and, although now a home owner and I get why folks don't get to know renters, but, I never found my neighbors very friendly. I'd wave, make eye contact (or try to), etc. So...on this day...I get waves from 4 or 5 sets of neighbors who'd avoided even eye contact with me. Guess what the message at conference was...
So, yeah, makes a difference who is steering the boat.
I still can't wrap my head around California's prop 8, then, same sex folks getting married in Utah. I'd have bet medical mary jane way before same sex marriage in the state.
Statements on immigration, refugees, political discourse...all have an impact here.
See, but here's the thing, the majority of those who think it's a great idea are probably non LDS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
I think it's getting better though with Marijuana, we were just discussing this at work today (with a non LDS coworker, and religion didn't come up in the discussion). I agree there shouldn't be a big fuss about MJ, it's not dangerous, it just impairs somebody from operating machinery just like alcohol. Most folks 'round these parts pushing for legalization "like Colorado" don't realize that even in Colorado, it must be consumed inside the privacy of their home, they can't just walk down the street or bring a bag of weed to the concerts (legally). It's still highly restricted in a lot of ways, and people don't know that.
But I want everybody to try it so they'll all shut up about it. I'm so damned tired of hearing how Marijuana will cure cancer and violence and the economy. Certain people smoke 1 blunt and then go out to buy a Bob Marley poster. The whole mantra around Marijuana is friggin' annoying, but I do believe people should have the right to partake.
I think it's getting closer everyday though.
That was true... right up to the moment the LDS Church said marijuana might be beneficial to medicine and needed further study.... at which point nearly the entire population of the church is instantly onboard with the idea of let's at least look into the idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
But legalizing marijuana was not my point. The point of the statement was that a few simple words by the church can drastically shift the point of view of a majority of the state's population, which is why many outside the church follow it closely.
I'll have to say I enjoy watching the Hinckley Institute of Politics show (last night). Besides discussing the current sitch with Hatch and Romney, they mused over what the big legislative items were for Utah in the coming year. I was thinking "medical mary jane" but...that didn't get mentioned until the moderator, at the end of the show, mentioned it and with regard to the heir apparent. He's a medicine guy. Renowned cardiologist. So...that could seal the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Yeah I agree. There are a lot of people that will blindly follow whatever comes from the LDS leadership, I've also seen people switch just like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
So with that in mind, if there's a big political topic or agenda that Utah wants to change, it would be very wise to go right to the leadership to sell it, rather than endless social media campaigns at the ground level, aimed at the regular average Mormon. A lot of them are just going to shut it out unless it comes from leadership, so that's where the focus should be, whether it seems ethical or not.
Interesting, got rid of a very popular Counselor in Dieter Uchtdorf that seemed to relate to younger people (who are currently mass exodusing) for this...
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Plus Nelson and Eyring aren't known as remotely progressive. Time for a new mall.
“Mass exodus”? It’s a propaganda term. It’s what the other side loves to say whenever they can. It’s meant as a “shock” tactic to regular attending members. As if to “awaken” us or something? Members of the church aren’t clueless. They know people leave the church. It’s not a shock as the other side thinks it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by DirkHammergate
Some of my family and friends who are no longer members of the LDS Church, constantly throw out the propaganda term whenever they get a podium to speak. They must think it’s meant to persuade us to leave as well or something?
Remember the “mass exodus” when the so- called “gay-policy” was leaked? Once the media, Kate Kelly, John Dehlin, and the reddit forums at ex-mormon did their thing, about 1000+ people gathered in the park to resign.
That “mass exodus” of people wasn’t your usual regularly-attending members who were suddenly shocked or appalled and decided to leave. Those 1000+ were already on their way out. The “gay policy” just gave them a reason to rally and have an official excuse to leave. And that’s fine, do your own thing.
And ironically some might say, from a recent stake fireside I attended, leadership talked about how some local bishops are seeing some of the LGBT members are returning to semi and full-activity within the church.
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I'm mostly basing it on my personal experience. Both my uncles families used to post baptismal pictures of their kids and families around 2010 and when this last round of edicts about kids of same sex parents had to disavow or not get baptized until 18 they all threw in the towel. Granted they're not from Utah but none the less, they just stopped going, no fan fare basically couldn't take it anymore. That goes for 3 of 4 of my BYU college friends and their families (again, all outside utah) but it had to have numbered over 50 at least. I grew up in California, super active family in a large ward out of the 30 or so friends I've been able to maintain only 5 or so are active. There is something to dwindling numbers and how Mormons in Utah actually think the church is relevant outside a sliver of the Intermountain West.Quote:
Originally Posted by jman
I'll give you that, I thought it was pretty dumb. I think people should do it the way I did it, I just realized it wasn't true around 10, planned my escape and enjoyed playing ward ball as long as I could. Both my besties are from the same ward, all grew up together, met in Sunbeams. We all have fondness for the way we were raised and the social aspect is actually really great. To me, it takes too much energy to publically make a scene and burn your membership card. Being free of the doctrine was absolutely good enough for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by jman
I have lived outside of Utah for 5 years and being in the "minority" is definitely different than being in the majority here. I definitely stood out. A lot of my neighbors were make comments and say "that's where the mormon guy lives! Talk to him if you want to believe in a different Jesus." Or another one that was very diappointing, "stay away from that mormon there especially if you have any 14 year-old girls, because that's what their old prophet Joseph Smith did. He married 14 year olds. That young guy wants our daughters". I turned around and shut the door. I should of said something back, but didn't have the courage. That was in New Jersey.Quote:
Originally Posted by DirkHammergate
I would disagree with your last sentence. To some of those people, it means the world. I heard a statistic a year back or so that said there are more members outside of the U.S. than in. AND that there are more non-whites than whites when looked at a global level. But unfortunately, I can't find that newsource where I heard that from currently...
Anyway, my older brother served his mission in the Porte Alegre, Brasil mission almost 25 years ago and he STILL talks with some of those members/converts down there. I see some of them post on his FB account, and even one of them who was a convert now who has a son who is on a mission serving in Brasil. And some of these folks from what my brother has mentioned over the years, want to take their families to the United States, and attend the Salt Lake Temple with my brother. So with that, I would say that the church is still relevant to those people. To us living in Utah, it may not seem that as we really are in a bubble. Bubble in the sense that the next biggest city is over 10 hours away either to Las Vegas, Denver, Boise (5 hrs), or even Phoenix. That keeps us isolated. Bad for some. Good for some. Just depends on how you view it or want it.
And your 5 friends out of 30 who are still active in the church - I was just thinking about my close friends and I would say out of 15 of them that I regularly stay in contact since elementary school, maybe 12 are still active. The other 3, once they submitted their resignations, started to ignore our invitations to hang out, watch a movie, etc. Then they started to ignore even simple "hey man, how are ya?" text messages. And 2 of the 3 unfriended most of us on FB. The other one just never uses FB anymore so that explains that. That was disappointing, but we wish them well. But so weird after 20 years of being friends, they don't even say Hi..
And to be fair, active members have done the same to ex-members too. Cease to be their friends, etc. And that's disappointing. But it's not the churches fault - I just cite it to human behavior.
Here are some:Quote:
I heard a statistic a year back or so that said there are more members outside of the U.S. than in. AND that there are more non-whites than whites when looked at a global level. But unfortunately, I can't find that newsource where I heard that from currently...
https://www.lds.org/ensign/2000/09/n...aking?lang=eng
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...de-the-US.html
Nice! Thanks Scott. So the 1st one was back in 2000 and the 2nd one was in 2013. Geez...time flies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
I just find it hilarious when those who will NEVER have any interest in joining the LDS Church are constantly barking commands for the leadership on what to do, how to run the church.
It's also quite ironic when the anti mormon folks fight and argue for certain people get baptized or go to the temple, or to NOT excommunicate Kate Kelly or John Dehlin. The very people that mock and ridicule the LDS will suddenly join a huge effort to fight for the membership status of certain people. Funny stuff.
Yeah, go ahead, let's hear what other demands you have for a religion you have no interest in. I'm sure your voice will have some priority.
#FirstWorldProblems
I think some of us have an interest because we live here, and, understand how the sausage gets made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
If you don't think outside opinion influences "things"...well...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_R..._on_Priesthood
http://depts.washington.edu/civilr/BSU_BYU.htm
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ism-lds-church
Of course...there's the big one: Utah statehood in 1896.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_Manifesto
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Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
"The researcher, Helen Radkey, is a former Mormon who left the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the mid-1970s and was excommunicated after publicly criticising it. She was blocked from the baptisms section of the massive collection of genealogical records the Utah-based church makes available to the public through its website, familysearch.org, until she was given a login by a friend."
:roflol:
https://www.lds.org/church/news/chur...icies?lang=engQuote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
Just say no...ha ha...
http://kutv.com/news/offbeat/do-not-...m-for-the-dead
If I thought a religious practice was a bunch of hooey nonsense, and that "Baptism for the Dead" was nothing more than reading a name on a paper and going for a swim, I wouldn't spend so much time and effort trying to stop it.
But that's just me.
Unless the protesters actually believe it's a saving ordinance; wouldn't that be ironic?
I mean, the practice of Baptism for the Dead isn't going to have any influence on local laws or politics, so that's not the cause of interest, right?
But on the other hand, the Church does have a good point urging it's members not to chase after celebrity names. Unfortunately, you know they had to come out and say that because this was exactly the case.
Nothing new here...the same scenario that's going on has happened many times throughout history and is well documented in both the Bible and the Book of Mormon.
Humble people call on God to protect them and become a prosperous people . This happened in the 18th and 19th century in the US. Makes sense as to why the numbers of LDS church are greater in the s hole countries.
God answers humble prayers. The US becomes the greatest nation on earth with a government/people that accepts God as the reason it's that way.
God fearing people enjoy prosperity, security and wealth. The US had prevailed in many wars, calamities and disasters through the 19th and most of the 20th century.
People become prideful and forget God. This blew up in the 60's and has been increasing ever since. The disrespect, scoffing and ridiculing of things held sacred is alarming.
God punishes His people. Still waiting for this one.
Re-humbled people repent and call on God again to save them.
And the cycle begins again.
I apologize if this sounds preachy, I have no business preaching as I'm sure God is disappointed with many things I do or don't do and I'll likely be turned into a pillar of salt. This is just the way I see things, that's all.
Drunken ragersQuote:
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They watch all of your fake drone videos instead. CGI for hours!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
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The comments are classic... “probably sleeping” - “they are in their 80’s or 90’s.” Hahaha
Dirk,
Thank you for the hilarious material.
You're Welcome
Dirk