This is typically an ice climbing route in the winter, but in the summer it makes an awesome 3 c II. The longest rap is 165 feet and the rest of them aren‘t much shorter than that. We used a 300 footer and a 50 foot pull cord and it worked fantastic. If you want to try out two 200 foot ropes it could also be good cuz the first and last raps are only 50 feet. We used beta from http://www.climb-utah.com/WM/icicle.htm but the only thing that was good for was waypoints and rap lengths :angryfire: (which is why this will be a TR mixed with more beta). We basically found our own way up there by plugging in the fancy numbers and seeing which general direction we should go until it looks like their is a trail going up. From the Y junction at the base of Little Cottonwood Canyon (In Lehi, Salt Lake County Utah) drive 1.9 miles and you’ll see an old building on your right (south) with a dam right by it, or something like that (N40