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You know Sam Elliott is pro choice, right?
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whooaaa--it just hit me slcbi thinks movies are real:roflol::roflol:
Just found his most recent one
it's almost like he's here...
To Soon.... I've got another week of sending "thoughts" and "prayers"... don't take that away from me.
Atheists don't pray, they add a temporary facebook profile banner and then tell Christians that praying won't do anything
..:yawn:
I guess I'd just ask what you think the root cause of the mass shootings are if its not the massive gun proliferation in the US? I don't have to cite the numbers which the US has exponential mass shootings and firearm related deaths compared to other countries with stricter gun laws. Take away the premise that gun proliferation is not the problem, then what is it?
Trump = Mental Illness
IceAxe = Opiates/Drugs
If its those two we doing nothing of substance to combat both.
In case anyone says that NBC is fake news, here is it from Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...nd-checks.html
Excepts:
Obama's background check rule required the Social Security Administration to forward to the Justice Department the names of certain disabled beneficiaries for a database of individuals ineligible to purchase a firearm. The rule affects an estimated 75,000 beneficiaries who require a representative to manage their benefits because of a disabling mental disorder.
Republican lawmakers criticized the regulation for reinforcing a negative stereotype that people with a mental disorder are dangerous.
"There are people who need help and seek help, but that is not a criteria for taking away one's constitutional right" to own a gun, said Rep. Pete Sessions, R-Texas.
The Obama era rules you are citing would have stopped ZERO of the mass shootings to date. It was a law that kept guns from those legally allowed to own them. If you are elderly and had someone else manage your finances you would not be allowed to own a firearm under the program your are citing.
If you want to fix things the very first thing you need to do is enforce the laws already on the books.
Now let's talk about enforcing a law that would make a difference.... 80,000 people attempted to illegally purchase a firearm last year, of that number only 44 were prosecuted. Enforce the fricking laws already on the books and then we can talk about other improvements.
We could have a "mental health center" on every street corner...as thick as Starbucks and it wouldn't stop these guys. A switch has gone off in their heads.
Personally, I blame the media and our sick culture of violence and voyeurism. The very people screaming bloody murder about it are the same ones that shove their smut down the throats of our kids.
We've go a new TV show with Hannibal the Cannibal feeding people their own body parts. Nice, huh?
Okay, I'll keep a running tally
Trump = Mental Illness
IceAxe = Opiates/Drugs + Enforcing existing laws and go after illegal gun purchasers
TwoTimer = The media is to blame, possibly put mental health kiosks in every Starbucks
Even the ACLU sided with Trump on that "regulation".
It was/is about due process and the 4th Amendment.
You liberals are slipping,again.
A year ago, Congress and Trump eliminated a proposed rule that would have included in the federal government gun background database people who received disability payments from Social Security and received assistance to manage their benefits due to mental impairments.
This is a regulation that potentially deprived between 75,000 to 80,000 people of a right based not on what they had done but on the basis of being classified by the government in a certain way. The fact that these people may have these impairments did not inherently mean that they were dangerous to themselves or others and needed to be kept away from guns.
As I noted when the regulation was repealed last March, this rule violated not just the Second Amendment but the Fourth, because it deprived the affected people of a right without due process. The government does have the power to restrict and even deny gun ownership to people, but it has to show that these people have engaged in behavior that makes weapons dangerous in their hands.
That's why the regulation was opposed not just by National Rifle Association (NRA) but by several mental health and disability groups and by the American Civil Liberties Union. Pundits largely ignored the latter groups' opposition to the rule, preferring to play up the power of the NRA and their influence on Republicans to turn the issue into a partisan fight.
It was hackery then, and it is still hackery today. It's shameful to ignore the serious constitutional problems of this poorly conceived rule just to sow panic and implicate one's political opponents.
I think you need to fix mine as I stated "psychotropic drugs". Which can simply be classified as being treated for mental illness by way of medication.
FWIW - here is a list of psychotropic drugs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ic_medications
Also "go after illegal gun purchasers" is handled under "Enforcing existing laws", no need to complicate things
So bottomline, this is the starting point...
IceAxe = Fix Mental health + Enforcing existing laws
And under fixing the mental health system should be revising HIPAA so doctors can legally report those who they feel threaten the public safety. As it currently stands you might be a potential mass murderer but your doc can't have you entered in the FBI firearm background check because of HIPAA.
Barry tried, but...uhh, he got shot down...
http://fortune.com/2018/02/15/trump-...ental-illness/
And a little more FYI.... 82% of mass shootings were commited with a illegally obtained weapon. Which is why we first need to enforce existing laws.
Updated
Trump = Mental Illness
IceAxe = Fix Mental health + Enforcing existing laws (I agree with that HIPAA thought)
TwoTimer = The media is to blame, possibly put mental health kiosks in every Starbucks
oldno7 = Liberals are slipping
You almost got it right.... If you read what was posted above we wouldn't be having this talk a second time.
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A year ago, Congress and Trump eliminated a proposed rule that would have included in the federal government gun background database people who received disability payments from Social Security and received assistance to manage their benefits due to mental impairments.
This is a regulation that potentially deprived between 75,000 to 80,000 people of a right based not on what they had done but on the basis of being classified by the government in a certain way. The fact that these people may have these impairments did not inherently mean that they were dangerous to themselves or others and needed to be kept away from guns.
As I noted when the regulation was repealed last March, this rule violated not just the Second Amendment but the Fourth, because it deprived the affected people of a right without due process. The government does have the power to restrict and even deny gun ownership to people, but it has to show that these people have engaged in behavior that makes weapons dangerous in their hands.
That's why the regulation was opposed not just by National Rifle Association (NRA) but by several mental health and disability groups and by the American Civil Liberties Union. Pundits largely ignored the latter groups' opposition to the rule, preferring to play up the power of the NRA and their influence on Republicans to turn the issue into a partisan fight.
It was hackery then, and it is still hackery today. It's shameful to ignore the serious constitutional problems of this poorly conceived rule just to sow panic and implicate one's political opponents.
Oh yeah, I'll stand by that all day long.
I remember reading that you have kids? Well, since I'm assuming that you're mocking my assertion, I've got a few suggestions for you...
Perhaps sit down with the youngsters and watch the original "Robocop". There's this really cool scene where four thugs pump about 150 bullets into his body as he's up against a wall. The finale being a point blank shot to the forehead.
After that, check out "Dredd" with Karl Urban. We get to see bodies splatting on the cement after being thrown off a 500 ft. building...in slow motion! Awesome carnage!
Top off the evening by playing that version of Grand Theft Auto where you get bonus points for killing the whore after you've raped her.
Of course, I understand that opinions of reality vary greatly, but I personally think this shit has an effect on some...especially young men that are fuc*ed up in the head to begin with.
More psychiatric professionals waiting for these dudes to walk in the door...yeah, that'll do the trick!
Naw, I'm not mocking I just would like to know what the root cause of this would be if inordinate gun proliferation is not the cause. That was my question, you answered and I respect that.
I don't like sensationalizing of killing just like any parent. Thing is, I've lived outside the US when I was younger, as a teen and people were wild over those kinds of movies but mass shooting sprees just never happened on the scale that happens here. Near as I could tell everyone loved them as much as people in the US, media is, you know Global. How does anyone explain David Hassellhoff being a megastar in Asia?
We do all watch Zombieland every 6 months or so... Double Tap!
I agree, but how do you propose we fix the former? A lot of the mentally ill can't afford decent healthcare. Aren't you against providing health care for anyone that can't afford it (serious question). Counseling for the mentally ill is incredibly expensive.Quote:
IceAxe = Fix Mental health + Enforcing existing laws
As to the latter, yes existing laws aren't being enforced. How do you propose we enforce them? Politicians on both sides keep saying that we should enforce existing gun laws, but it seems like lip service because it seldom happens.
How about we make all schools safe by locking all doors after the morning bell.
If you want in you have to be buzzed in at a security door by administration.
Same with exiting, if a student want to leave, there is one door, controlled by administrators, allowing exit.
Thinking out loud, looking for solutions.
question, dirk.
if a guy gets in a car drunk and kills a pedestrian, what should happen?
If any doors are breached during school hours--all classroom doors close and lock automatically.
That's how the schools are where I live and we live in a small town. It still wouldn't stop a student in the school from attacking though.Quote:
How about we make all schools safe by locking all doors after the morning bell.
If you want in you have to be buzzed in at a security door by administration.
Same with exiting, if a student want to leave, there is one door, controlled by administrators, allowing exit.
Thinking out loud, looking for solutions.
Recently, the principal here requires all students to have see through backpacks, which is supposed to stop this kind of thing (one kid did bring a gun to school and was caught before the rule). It could help, but manufacturers need to come up with more comfortable see through backpacks.
See through backpacks and bags do seem like a good idea.