Re: Damage to Moab Canyons
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Originally Posted by moabmatt
I don't have access to either Shane's or Ryan's beta, so I don't know where they're telling folks to hike in from.
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Originally Posted by moabmatt
Ryan's site shows a picture of someone chimneying down a crack well before the potholes.
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I thought we had a pretty good pull on that toadstool on the first rap. It used a ton of webbing and pull cord but didn't leave rope burn. My dad actually climbed up and checked it and then easily downclimbed/slid that first one. Next time I do teirdrop we will just bypass the first rap and slide! I am one of the people who used the crappy cairn style anchor for the second rap. Since I was the biggest I went down first with my dad and uncle backing it up. That way if it slides on me I can still get down safely and I don't get screwed without an anchor haha suckers! The last rap we did off that far right and when I got to the botton I didn't see any crypto, kindof sad to think about. Mabey a suggestion would be to stick a rapid on the rope you use and cut the other anchor out. That way it would be less damage on the rock and on your rope. It sounded to me like you were more worried about your rope than the damage done to the rock by the other anchor. If it is that important than make it obvious for dummies like myself.
I really enjoyed that canyon so I guess I owe you a thanks for finding it. So thanks. I will practice some different techniques on the last rappel so that we can rap off the rock your rope is on without doing damage.
I think Iceaxe is on to something with a couple well placed bolts in the canyon could solve the problem of rope grooves. Good luck trying to get that passed with the park service. What would happen if bolts showed up in the canyon, would the park take them out?
Re: Damage to Moab Canyons
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Originally Posted by Jaxx
I think Iceaxe is on to something with a couple well placed bolts in the canyon could solve the problem of rope grooves. Good luck trying to get that passed with the park service. What would happen if bolts showed up in the canyon, would the park take them out?
According to their website (about climbing):
"No new permanent climbing hardware may be installed in any fixed location. If an existing bolt or other hardware item is unsafe, it may be replaced. This will limit all climbing to existing routes or new routes not requiring placement of fixed anchors."
http://www.nps.gov/arch/planyourvisit/climbing.htm
I would suspect they would have the same feeling about canyoneering. I tend to tread lightly in Arches, because I enjoy climbing and canyons there, and do not want to see more limitations.
Could you argue canyoneering isn't climbing? Probably, but I'd rather not see more restrictions... If bolts started showing up, they would likely add restrictions.
Please tread lightly and be respectful so that access stays open. Not Tierdrop, Tierdrops neighbor, is a better choice for less advanced canyoneers. (Easier anchors.)
http://www.outdoorzen.org/site/beta/...ttierdrop.html