Here is the short answer. I don't recall any problems. We had Spidey. :haha: Honestly, we used the sand trap at every rappel. I can't remember if Spidey downclimbed or not. In canyons there is Ram who remembers everything and there is me who remembers what a fun day I had. In other words, I have to see a canyon at least twice to start remembering details of each drop. I am terrible at the little details of the canyons on my first descent. Sorry about that. Maybe Dan remembers.