Come to Southern Utah, I can take you to them personally, my wife works at one.
Of course we are more rural.
You might live in a shithole:mrgreen:
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Has there been a societal change since this?
Scotts good with graphs, has there been an increase or decrease in mass shootings since this time?
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On October 31, 1963, President John F. Kennedy signed into law the Community Mental Health Act (also known as the Mental Retardation and Community Mental Health Centers Construction Act of 1963), which drastically altered the delivery of mental health services and inspired a new era of optimism in mental healthcare. This law led to the establishment of comprehensive community mental health centers throughout the country. It helped people with mental illnesses who were “warehoused” in hospitals and institutions move back into their communities.
OK, I have a serious question.
To buy from a licensed dealer, why do you have to be 21 to buy a handgun, but only 18 to buy an AR-15?
PS, I joined the military on my 17th birthday, so I'm not saying that teenagers shouldn't have weapons, but the current age law seems strange (to me at least).
How about at a very minimum all classrooms have a lock on the door that the teacher can lock from inside the classroom to keep intruders out if the need arises?
Such a simple and cheap lock would have greatly reduced the number of victims in many of the school shootings.
I've actually studied several of these school shootings in-depth. The students and faculty often take shelter in classrooms but have no way to bar or defend the door.
In my eyes, if we can afford for government offices to protect government workers, we can do it for children in schools. Even the Department of Transportation Offices near where I live and out in the middle of nowhere have locked doors where you have to be buzzed in.
An AR-15 is classified as a "long gun", vs a handgun. 18 to purchase long guns and 21 for handguns. That's federal law.
However, it is not illegal for an 18 y/o to own or process a handgun, just to purchase one from an FFL dealer. If you gift your child a handgun you are legal under federal law.
AR-15 is nothing more then your typical semi automatic rifle painted black. "AR-15" and "assault rifle" are mostly just terms tossed around in the media and gun control groups to try and scare the ignorant masses. The term "black rifle" is often how you will hear them described in the industry, but that's not nearly as scary.
Mass shootings have increased, while overall murder rates have decreased. It will take a while to put a graph together though. That's a long time period.Quote:
Scotts good with graphs, has there been an increase or decrease in mass shootings since this time?
Yes, I already know all that. I was asking why the law was written like that.Quote:
An AR-15 is classified as a "long gun", vs a handgun. 18 to purchase long guns and 21 for handguns. That's federal law.
However, it is not illegal for an 18 y/o to own or process a handgun, just to purchase one from an FFL dealer. If you gift your child a handgun you are legal under federal law.
I'm guessing that the reason I can think of is that most hunting weapons are long guns, but if that was the only intention, they should have just classified weapons as hunting rifles or something.
The age difference between owning a AR-15, classified as a long gun, and buying a handgun (from a licensed dealer) doesn't make that much sense to me. If laws are going to be defined by age of ownership, it seems silly (to me at least) to classify all rifles and guns as simply hand guns or long rifles. It seems strange to me that an 18 year old can by an AR-15 from a dealer, but not a handgun.
Technically the AR-15 was designed to be an assault rifle (for military use).Quote:
AR-15 is nothing more then your typical semi automatic rifle painted black. "AR-15" and "assault rifle" are mostly just terms tossed around in the media and gun control groups to try and scare the ignorant masses. The term "black rifle" is often how you will hear them described in the industry, but that's not nearly as scary.
PS, I already know that AR does not stand for "assault rifle". The history of the AR-15 (which I assume you already know) is quite interesting, for those interested in history.
I remember is basic how the Sargent teaching BRM would go on and on about how the military erred in us using M16's instead of AR-15's.
So, gun ownership is up, murder rates are down and mass shootings are up.
Somewhere along that timeline is the answer.
What has changed?
When I was in high school, in Bountiful, we brought guns to school in our vehicles, some proudly displayed.
Guns were freely brought into school, especially a shop class.
Don't recall a lot of mass shootings in the 70's.
Was the Ogden HI-FI murder, jabbed pens in ears,raped teenager, later shot in head, victims made to drink drano
The 2nd amendment as you know, does not state "you have the right to keep and shoot bears", it was never even considered about hunting and is only put into a hunting context by those hell bent on eliminating it.
The AR is a very accurate,easy to carry, low recoiling rifle, they are used for many things and hunting is one of those.
There is no need to classify it as anything but a semi automatic rifle, which can be purchased at 18yrs old.
Gun ownership has been pretty steady for several decades, at least by percentage of the population.Quote:
So, gun ownership is up, murder rates are down and mass shootings are up.
There weren't many mass shootings then, but murder rates were much higher then.Quote:
Don't recall a lot of mass shootings in the 70's.
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Here is one graph from Mass Shootings from the Washington Post, though I haven't gone through and checked everything (just in case anyone doesn't trust the WP). I already created one last year, but only back as far as 1984. I did check everything on that one and invited corrections.
Washington Post:
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Mine:
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If there are any errors in either, feel free to correct.
Shane I did read your answer. I still think the age discrepancy is strange.Quote:
The 2nd amendment as you know, does not state "you have the right to keep and shoot bears", it was never even considered about hunting and is only put into a hunting context by those hell bent on eliminating it.
The AR is a very accurate,easy to carry, low recoiling rifle, they are used for many things and hunting is one of those.
There is no need to classify it as anything but a semi automatic rifle, which can be purchased at 18yrs old.
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You didn't read the rest of my post or you would already know the answer to this.
There is basicly no way to restrict black rifles without restricting all semi auto rifles.
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Let me rephrase the question. Why do you have to be 21 to buy a hand gun (at least from a dealer)?
In other news today:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/grandmoth...152359140.html
A woman prevented a potential tragedy this week when she reported her 18-year-old grandson to police after learning of his plot to carry out a mass shooting at his high school.
Everett police in Washington state arrested 18-year-old Joshua Alexander O'Connor at ACES High School on Tuesday, on suspicion of attempted murder. The arrest was made after O'Connor's grandmother called 911 and turned in a notebook where he had detailed plans to use homemade explosives and shoot students at his school.
"I need to make this count," O’Connor reportedly wrote in the journal. "I’ve been reviewing many mass shootings/bombings (and attempted bombings) I’m learning from past shooters/bombers mistakes."
O'Connor also reportedly noted that he wanted the death count to be high so he would be infamous. Court papers also detail that his discovered notebook included instructions about making pressure-cooker bombs and grenades.
"We are really grateful to the grandmother. It couldn’t have been easy for her to do," Mukilteo School District spokesman Andy Muntz said. "It speaks to the importance of the saying, 'if you hear something or see something, call authorities,' and that’s what she did. It's quite possible she saved many lives including her grandson's."
According to Snohomish County Jail records, O'Connor's bail has been set at $5 million.
Looking through the data, I should revise my statement to Mass shooting deaths have increased, while overall murder rates have decreased.Quote:
Mass shootings have increased, while overall murder rates have decreased
Mass shootings have increased since the 1960's, but not as nearly as much as the amount of deaths. Although the original statement is true, what has increased greatly is the number of people killed in the shootings.
Since crime stats have been kept, up to the 1960's, the deadliest public mass shooting was the Clock Tower Shooting (Austin Texas) on 8/1/1966 where 18 people were killed.
This wasn't eclipsed until 7/18/1994 at the McDonalds (San Ysidro) California shooting where 22 people were killed.
This was eclipsed again on 10/16/1991 at Luby's Restaurant (Killeen Texas) where 24 people were killed.
This was again eclipsed again on 4/16/2007 when the Virginia Tech shooting killed 33 people.
This was eclipsed again on 6/12/2016 at the Pulse Night Club (Orlando) shooting where 50 people were killed.
This was eclipsed again on 10/1/2017 where the Route 91 Harvest (Las Vegas) shooting took place where 59 were killed (and 422 injured).
So, mass shootings are becoming more deadly.
I think the difference was "the family" - mother, father raising the kid(s). Dirk, put me down for fix the family = fix society.
https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/...rise-worldwide
http://www.marripedia.org/effects_of...society#fnt__6
One item you will find in common with most these mass shootings is that the killers studied previous events in great detail.
The media reports every nuance including what saved lives and what cost lives. So it's of little surprise mass shootings are becoming more deadly as the killers were schooled by those who came before them.
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