Thank you JB 56 Chevy. We are grateful that you chose to share your story. It is indeed a good training tale for many different persons.
It was not the canyon.
Ding/Dang, Orderville, The Subway and ZeroG are all basically at the same technicality level. It's not the canyon, it's the leader. If the leader does not have the technical skills to execute a rescue/escape "if something goes wrong", then the leader does not have the technical skills to lead youth into that canyon. You do not have those skills - thus you should not lead youth into technical canyons, unless you get some training and get some skills. This INCLUDES canyons that you said you are up for leading - Orderville, Subway and Ding/Dang specifically.
If you have led these canyons before and nothing went wrong, then I suggest Fortune previously smiled upon you. But Fortune is whimsical, and counting on Fortune's smile is not a good long-term strategy. Prior performance is no guarantee of future returns.
Hopefully you have learned not to take youth down technical canyons. "Technical Canyons" in this sense means places where a rescue would be technical. I consider Ding/Dang to be technical.
Or, go get some training. There is plenty available, with a thread recently here on Bogley/Canyoneering. Or check out this Yahoo Group for Youth Leaders:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bsacan...guid=261401300
Tom (whose job is to be a meanie here on Bogley/Canyoneering) :moses: