Deep Southern Ice & partner

Howdy,
I moved down to Kanab from Southern Idaho and I havn't given up on the ice yet. In fact I got out yesterday on the "Moqui Cave" formation. Its a nice WI 3 thats a full 50 meters. Its thin, but its in! The lower 1/2 must have had warmer rock which melted out the back two inches of ice leaving a detached shell that was 2-3 inches thick. Just like in sending a newly touched down pillar, less is more. Lots of hooking and standing. It felt like I was wearing climbing shoes more than crampons. Drive 5 miles North of Kanab on HWY 89, you can't miss it because its across from Moqui Cave. 90 second approach.
I along with some other folk are doing more homework on Ice that forms in this area. I'm sure there is more stuff along HWY 89 from Kanab to Panguich. Zion shows good promise too and its only an hour north of Kanab.
If you've got beta, or are looking for a partner drop me a line. I've always got Fridays, Saturday's and Holidays off.
kevinhansen
kevin_likes_to_climb_much@hotmail.com

I haven't ever climbed down that way. It sounds like fun. Maybe I should drive down there one of these weekends from Lehi.

I haven't done any ice climbing but I do know people ice climb up Parrowan Canyon at a place called Benson Creek. I also believe there is some in Cedar Canyon. Hope that helps. If it were still in business you should have called the Mountain Shop in Cedar, some of those guys are big into ice climbing.

I'm sure that Ice forms up Cedar Canyon. (Assuming that its the one folks take from Cedar City to get to Brianhead). The Canyon walls are deeply insized and there is plenty of water running over the limestone. Has anyone been in there recently? What is in? Is there a topo guide for the area?
Kevin

Hi Kevin...

Welcome to the group! I am in Mt. Carmel Jct. ... so we are close! My hiking partner, Bo Beck, runs Outdoor Outlet in St. George and therefore knows most of the local climbers and teaches climbing at Paragon as well.

http://www.paragonclimbing.com/parag...ness&bpg=staff

Post to him, email him or call him and I am sure he can line you up with some ice types.

http://bogley.com/forum/profile.php?...wprofile&u=195

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Tanya you are changing your avatar everyday now? :lol8: Waiting to see what you come up with next. :popcorn:

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Because my moods don't usually change so fast. The avatar goes with my mood. :popcorn:

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Tanya you are changing your avatar everyday now? :lol8: Waiting to see what you come up with next. :popcorn:

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Speaking of the avatar why are you crying. :cry1: Is it because you didn't summit your peek this weekend. There will be other times & chances.

Found some more info thought it is not that good. Mostly rock climbing, but some ice climbing in the cedar area. It lists Hidden Haven and I believe that to be Benson Creek in Parawon Canyon. Good luck.

http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/...Utah&Submit=Go

Tanya,
Bo seems like the go to guy for the area. Mt. Carmell is so close! I'm looking forward to getting area beta. Nice web site BTW. Looks like you took most of the photos. They look good.
Have you been into Zion lately? Any ice? Guess I need to get up there and see what's what.
Anyone else have local contact info?
Kevin

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Tanya,
Bo seems like the go to guy for the area. Mt. Carmell is so close! I'm looking forward to getting area beta. Nice web site BTW. Looks like you took most of the photos. They look good.
Have you been into Zion lately? Any ice? Guess I need to get up there and see what's what.
Anyone else have local contact info?
Kevin

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~laughing~ You are an ice addict!

Bo and I hike every week -- usually on Sunday because my daughter plays Bball and I like to watch and Bo often has to work... but still we do hike on Saturday's when all that works out.

Here is the trip report from yesterday.
http://bogley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9981&start=0
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_N...l_Park_Hiking/

There was a bit of ice here and there. I can't say I saw any thing to climb though. There is usually some between Mt. Carmel Jct. and Kanab. I just drove that, but did not notice.

Iceaxe in the group --- as you can tell from his ID he is into ice climbing.
http://bogley.com/forum/profile.php?...dda40409fa2323

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Tanya you are changing your avatar everyday now? :lol8: Waiting to see what you come up with next. :popcorn:

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Speaking of the avatar why are you crying. :cry1: Is it because you didn't summit your peek this weekend. There will be other times & chances.

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There is no reason in life to cry... except men. :mrgreen:

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climbinghalfdome check this link to this thread out its by oldno7, Pine Creek in Zions. I asume it is upper Pine Creek, not lower, nor the slot canyon.
http://uutah.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9769

I forget which forum I saw it in, but I remember seeing a pic of ice in...I think it was Englestead canyon, right at the top? I'll have to see if I can find it.

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I forget which forum I saw it in, but I remember seeing a pic of ice in...I think it was Englestead canyon, right at the top? I'll have to see if I can find it.

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I have decended Englestead canyon and do not recall near the top a source to form good ice, it is mostly a flash flood carved canyon, not carved by springs or a stream. Though I could be wrong. If you do find it cool, I'd like to see it.

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I forget which forum I saw it in, but I remember seeing a pic of ice in...I think it was Englestead canyon, right at the top? I'll have to see if I can find it.

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I have decended Englestead canyon and do not recall near the top a source to form good ice, it is mostly a flash flood carved canyon, not carved by springs or a stream. Though I could be wrong. If you do find it cool, I'd like to see it.

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www.door5.com

Bunch of folks jumped on it last season, rumor has it.

Jared and company called it, the "Z-cicle" or some such. Them kids have some horse power.

Cheers,

-Brian in SLC

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www.door5.com

Bunch of folks jumped on it last season, rumor has it.

Jared and company called it, the "Z-cicle" or some such. Them kids have some horse power.

Cheers,

-Brian in SLC

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That's the one I was thinking of. Thanks

http://picasaweb.google.com/jared.e....icicle20070120


Looked pretty cool

Those pics are sweat. I looked at Tanya's website and there was a flow in the canyon. But when I went through I did experience the same tricle of water. Though I think I remeber some water seapage (sp?) down the water coarse, you don't rapperle down the water coarse on the first rappel.

Tanya's pic from her website:
http://www.zionnational-park.com/ima...stead-zion.jpg

My pic:
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5474/img2567eu5.jpg

Dean Kurtz, in my photo is on the Kane County SAR team. They did a SAR in there (was it?) last year and he reported a BUNCH of ice. I would not want to climb that though! Scarey :eek2:

http://www.uutah.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5758

As of 12/29/07

Hidden Haven (Parowan canyon) - All pitches in
Cedarsickle - 5 feet long and thin
Suicide Flows - thin
Ashdown - ??
Camp Creek (Kanarraville) - In thick but full of air
Mush for Brains - dry as a bone

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Originally Posted by climbinghalfdome

Tanya,
Bo seems like the go to guy for the area. Mt. Carmell is so close! I'm looking forward to getting area beta. Nice web site BTW. Looks like you took most of the photos. They look good.
Have you been into Zion lately? Any ice? Guess I need to get up there and see what's what.
Anyone else have local contact info?
Kevin

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Roughly a year ago we attempted to save a dog from a canyon and had to be lowered 600'. When I looked up the canyon to its head, there was a VERY Large Icefall. I could only see the top couple hundred feet. Might be worth going to investigate. You'd have to ski or shoe in from the Ponderosa I would think?

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Originally Posted by nieder

As of 12/29/07

Hidden Haven (Parowan canyon) - All pitches in
Cedarsickle - 5 feet long and thin
Suicide Flows - thin
Ashdown - ??
Camp Creek (Kanarraville) - In thick but full of air
Mush for Brains - dry as a bone

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Welcome to the Group! You must live somewhere here in Southern Utah? Cedar?

I'd like to invite all folks but especially Bo to track down this monster! I've got Monday off like most folks do. What do you say? Meet at the Thunderbird in Mt. Carmel @ 6 am? Who's in?
Bo.. you can't say stuff like "I could only see the top couple hundred feet." and not expect to get my blood pumping. My tools are sharpened and screwes ready.
Who's in?
Nieder?
Bo?
Tanya?
Jumar?
trackrunner?
At the very least lets ski in and get a look at it.
Boy it was chilly this morning. The Ice at Moqui cave is in thicker today.
Kevin

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I'd like to invite all folks but especially Bo to track down this monster! I've got Monday off like most folks do. What do you say? Meet at the Thunderbird in Mt. Carmel @ 6 am? Who's in?
Bo.. you can't say stuff like "I could only see the top couple hundred feet." and not expect to get my blood pumping. My tools are sharpened and screwes ready.
Who's in?
Nieder?
Bo?
Tanya?
Jumar?
trackrunner?
At the very least lets ski in and get a look at it.
Boy it was chilly this morning. The Ice at Moqui cave is in thicker today.
Kevin

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I haven't found out yet if I'm working on Monday or not. :frustrated:

I don't do snow and ice. :mrgreen: --- and rarely 6am in the winter for that matter.

But I have no problem staying in a warm car or home while you guys go our and freeze. :haha:


Our friend Courtney loves to climb.... not sure if he is into Ice though? You can find him here. It's also where Bo posts the most and we put up an invite for whatever we are hiking that week. You should come with us on Sunday. There should be some type of climbing involved. Courtney is really big into Peak Bagging and we are hooking up with him on Sunday.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_N...l_Park_Hiking/

What do you teach at the HS Jeff? Today is suppose to be REALLY cold!

Well I'm set and good to go. :2thumbs: I'd not like to go alone, so if the start time or place is a problem, chime in and adjustments can be made.

I noticed JUMAR lives in Lehi. That's quite a drive. I've got a ice partner that owns a motel here in Kanab, if you want to show up Sunday night I'm sure he can hook you up for the night. Email me directly if your thinking that direction.
kevin_likes_to_climb_much@hotmail.com
Kevin

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I'd like to invite all folks trackrunner?
At the very least lets ski in and get a look at it.

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kevin,

I'd like to but I just graduated from university, still looking for jobs, and just had my first born boy 16 days ago, so um, it would be irresponsible for me to blow off the job search. Plus I no longer have the proper gear to snow shoe or ski in, but might think there is not too much snow after my Water Canyon hike this past weekend.

sorry another time :ne_nau:

Shaun

So I guess thats one way to kill a thread, is to invite folks to join me on a trip. Well since no one wants to go on my trip, maybe I can invite myself on one of yours.
I'm looking to get out and do something this Monday. I've got the day off and no one to get out with. I'm up for anything, yet I'd love to get on some ice.
Any ice climbers in the St. George area?
I guess beggers can't be choosers, so I'm up for anyhing.
Oh, I slept in a snow cave/grave/dog house last night. The local scouts went up to Alton Utah and enjoyed the 3 feet of snow. I showed them how to cut snow blocks from the snow pack and how to build survival shelters.
It was nice and warm and I think they had a good time.
Kevin

Finally found out I have to work. :frustrated:

Did you see this post to you Kevin? The 2 guys Bo mentions are great guys and Bo's usual climbing partners. If you get out with them you will enjoy it! They are animals! --- like Bo!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zion_N.../message/44972

http://www.zionnational-park.com/ima...utte-j_jpg.jpg

Mikel

No I missed that post on the other site.
Thanks for showing that to me.
I hope that I can eventually get intouch with those guys.
If you have their phone numbers maybe you could pass them along to me off this forum?
kevin_likes_to_climb_much@hotmail.com
I get about 30 emails a day from that other Zion_hiking_forum @yahoo
I guess it got lost in all the other stuff that is discussed.
I'm looking for more stuff like that Z-circle post that someone found. That is the good stuff.
I'm going to stay close to Kanab tomorrow for lack of other stuff to do. I did find a new formation that is visible from the road across from the weigh station just North of Kanab. The aproach could be tricky because I'd have to cross Kane Creek or is it Kanab Creek? Anyway that makes 3 climbable formations with in 3 miles of each other on HWY 89. I can't believe that they are all 3 one of a kind chances of nature. I think there are many more ice formations around, its just not all are visible from the HWY. Its going to take a plane ride and or lots of hiking up each wash to find climbable water ice. If anyone knows where any is feel free to hit me with it.
Kevin

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No I missed that post on the other site.
Thanks for showing that to me.
I hope that I can eventually get intouch with those guys.
If you have their phone numbers maybe you could pass them along to me off this forum?
kevin_likes_to_climb_much@hotmail.com
I get about 30 emails a day from that other Zion_hiking_forum @yahoo
I guess it got lost in all the other stuff that is discussed.
I'm looking for more stuff like that Z-circle post that someone found. That is the good stuff.
I'm going to stay close to Kanab tomorrow for lack of other stuff to do. I did find a new formation that is visible from the road across from the weigh station just North of Kanab. The aproach could be tricky because I'd have to cross Kane Creek or is it Kanab Creek? Anyway that makes 3 climbable formations with in 3 miles of each other on HWY 89. I can't believe that they are all 3 one of a kind chances of nature. I think there are many more ice formations around, its just not all are visible from the HWY. Its going to take a plane ride and or lots of hiking up each wash to find climbable water ice. If anyone knows where any is feel free to hit me with it.
Kevin

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You don't have to take email there. I never have! You can just read the posts on the web just like you do in this group.

Should be Kanab Creek.

Those are Bo's buddies so it would have to be him that gets you their numbers, but he will probably catch this post.

The Moqui formation is fatter than ever! I'm itchen to get on it again.
I'm also looking to get into Zion to look for bigger stuff. I'm sure that there are some monsters there. I can't this weekend (my son's first B-day!) but I'd like to hear if there is anyone outhere who is looking to do some major ice climbing in Zion in early Feb Drop me a line.
Kevin
kevin_likes_to_climb_much@hotmail.com

A friend and I are planning on heading into the Englestead canyon area this Friday. We will get in as far as the VW will take us. Then ski/shoe into the entrances of the canyons. Maybe do a little climbing on Friday but we plan on spending most the day Saturday. Anyone who would like to join us, meet at the Thunderbird in Mt. Carmel @ 1pm ish I'll keep you posted.
Kevin

The above was is a photo of the ice that Forms just 4 miles North of Kanab. Its in and wide and thick. I havn't been on it this week, but it is leadable and goes at a solid WI3+
Tons of fun.
I found out that the locals call it PorkYouPine and not Moqui Cave formation even though its just south and across from Moqui Cave.
Kevin

Ok this weekend is a no go for me. My partner had other plans of the Valentines Day persuasion. Guess I'm bumming a ride to Joes Valley.
L8r
Keivn

Very nice! I'm very jealous.

Think that moqui route will last through the warmer weather this weekend?

I played all this morning on it. Its good, wide and fat. Totally leadable. It wasn't dripping because the upper section was under 2 feet of snow. Even with the high temps its still in. Folks don't know but it only gets 2-3 hours of sun between 8 am to 10:30 am. Temps during those times are still in the 20's.
I think it will last well into next week, but time will tell.
I'm looking for something to do tomorrow. Anyone?
If I don't hear from anyone I'll do some sport climbing at Black rocks in St. George all day tomorrow.
email me.
kevin_likes_to_climb_much@hotmail.com