So any plans for a trip to "Take uutah canoyneering newbies out" yet?
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So any plans for a trip to "Take uutah canoyneering newbies out" yet?
How about someone around here.... Adopt a Newbie!!!
I'm kinda booked up with other obligations for the next month.... but newbies are usually good for carrying ropes or providing 1/2 the car shuttle. Maybe get him to cook dinner for the privilege of being tortured all day in a canyon. :haha:
Come on.... I'm sure one of you guys can find a good use for a newbie :2thumbs:
I've got my eye on a bunch of north wash routes I've never done...Blarney, Leprechaun, Trail, HDH, GDJ, the Hogs, etc, etc.
If you can provide the ropes, and are willing to travel this far south, then let's plan a day.
Anybody else in?
How long of a rope(s) does it need to be? And how far south is it?
PS: I am looking at the UofU Canyoneering class in September, is it a good way to get into the sport?
I have heard the U of U canyoneering class is pretty decent.
What kind of canyoneering experience do you have?
The drops in the North Wash area aren't very high - most of all of them don't exceed 100 feet. A 60 meter rope would probably work for most canyons. Actually, I'm looking to purchase a 200 foot Canyon Pro from "The Emperor" here pretty soon.
North Wash canyons here - they're mostly around the area just south of Hanksville, and east of the Henry Mountains.
I have climbed in the past (when I was young and skinny). I hike and backpack quite a bit. Been doing a lot of scrambling and from the pictures you guys post, I am confident I can do everything on my own. But I am also smart enough to know better not to do it on my own :)
I have rappeled, know the basics and the safety of it. So I wouldn't consider myself a newbie really, but was just looking to find someone to follow and watch the lead for first time.
It's like rafting, you can scout the rapid all you want, but once you see the boat in front of you take a leap you know what to do right (or wrong).
I have a rope, I believe it's a 100m (don't remember anymore), have a harness and some carabeiners.
PS: I am going to look at that class in September unless I hook up with some of the folks on here.
I have canyoneered with several U of U Canyoneering graduates. I have never done the course but once did several canyons with one of the instructors, a fella by the name of Lloyd Bush and a group of his young rope guns. I learned an incredible amount about canyoneering teamwork and execution while with his group. The teamwork of the U of U group was poetry in motion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazak
IMHO: U of U canyoneers do not seem to have the rope skills of an ACA graduate. But the teamwork skills they learn are vastly superior. Where an ACA graduate will tend to solve a problem with advanced rope work or in what I call a guide/client method, the U of U graduate will use less equipment and more teamwork to solve the same problem.
Honestly I didn't even know the U was still teaching a canyoneering class. My last experince with them was 5 or 6 years ago. I'm happy to hear they are still around. I hope they are still teaching the same skills. The canyoneering community would greatly benefit from are larger understanding of the teamwork taught at the U.
Also, the U of U canyoneers were the guys that told me about Music Canyon http://climb-utah.com/SRS/music1.htm . It was often used as their school room canyon.
Oh yeah... forgot to tell yaQuote:
Originally Posted by Kazak
kazac usually in canyoneering they use static ropes so if yours is a climbing one could be a little heavy and too rubber band for canyoneering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazak
in north wash i strongly suggest you go to walmart and buy soft knee pads and elbow pads
and to DI (deseret industries ) for a pair of pants and a long sleeve t-shirt
and make sure have good sticky rubber shoes ,no teva or chaco sandal for canyoneering and an helmet also a biking one could be a good idea
hesse, thanks for the list. I think I do have the rubbery rope, I can get the rappeling rope as well. What exactly am I looking for in a rope?
The rest of the stuff you listed I have laying around the house.
or if you don't believe in shopping at walmart, there are many stores which carry athletic gear that have good kneepads. when getting kneepads make sure that they are relatively sung. your sweat will stretch them and when stemming/downclimbing you don't want them shifting too easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by hesse15
ps. i didn't know there was a walmart in north wash? :lol8:
[just kiddin' christina :mrgreen: ]
You are looking for "static" rope. Polyester is better than nylon in that it absorbs less water. 9 mm is probably the recommended thickness for starters. Its thin and light, but not too thin for most. I bought 10 mm when i started out and now i feel its too heavy and stiff and never use it any more even though its still mostly in tact. 8mm is nice and light, but is sometimes a bad idea for a beginner, since its easier to get out of control. 2 ropes i would consider are:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazak
BlueWater Canyon (9.2mm) or Canyon Pro (8mm) (the DS versions are more durable)
or Imlay Rope (comes in both 8 and 9 mm versions)
The Bluewater Canyon ropes are the rope against which all canyoneering rope is measured, but you pay for the extra quality. Canyon Pro is 8mm and has spectra core (stronger and even less stretch than other static ropes). DS means double sheath-- which add a lot more durability to the rope.
Imlay Rope works awesome! (its the rope featured in Eric's videos) Not as durable as the BW though, but definitely the best bang for your buck if your looking for something economical that works well.
Depending on availability, Imlay ropes can be purchased from our friend tom at www.canyoneeringusa.com and BW ropes can be purchased from our friends at the mountain shop in cedar city (although i'm having trouble getting their web store to come up this morning.
YMMV with other static ropes, although any static will work (even dynamic (climbing) rope works ok, but the thickness and bounciness become annoyning and liabilities though and you'll want to move on as soon as you know you'll be doing more than just a few canyons).
For good gear checklists, see:
http://www.climb-utah.com/Misc/gear.htm
http://canyoneeringusa.com/utah/intro/gear.php
I would love to get in on the "Adopt a newbie" program sometime. My fiance and I are really new to the sport. We got started doing the Medevial Chamber trip in Moab, and have done Larry Canyon and Constrychnine so far. We usually go out with a group of about 5 or 6 friends who look to me to lead them down a canyon, but I'd love to get out and learn from some "old pros" sometime. We have a 200' 8mm static rope along with a pull cord and plenty of other gear, like to drink beer and tell stories around a campfire and can make a pretty mean breakfast burrito in the morning. We're going to be in Zion this weekend to do a couple of canyons, but would love to get out with some other people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
We even have a Jeep Rubicon to get to those "hard to reach" trailheads!
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Originally Posted by rock_ski_cowboy
Also black diamond sells imlay ropes, even on dowels, so you can specify the length. since you're in salt lake this is a good place to go to avoid the shipping costs of mailing such heavy ropes.
I guess I got to do some shopping before hitting the slots. I live really close to Black Diamond, I will stop by there and chat with them.
Thanks guys :2thumbs:
Or hold off... chances are the newbie adopter that picks you up will already have rope, so you can see what you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazak
Or hold off... chances are the newbie adopter that picks you up will already have rope, so you can see what you like.[/quote]
heh, that was my original plan. :mwink:
If you're patient, I'm sure you'll get on some trips... for many, summer is kind of the off season. Zion is the only place thats really good when its hot, and for me my 2 or 3 zion trips each focus around one "big" canyon like Kolob or Heaps since I hate to compete for permits in the more popular canyons.Quote:
heh, that was my original plan. :mwink:
You may have some luck posting a "Canyon virgin wanting one or multiple experienced partners" request on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons ... the other prominent utah-centric canyon dating service on the net.
:haha:
I'm looking to hit the North Wash sometime in early August (first or second weekend). I'll be bringing a 9mm Imlay Rope. Let me know if that works out. Any other takers?
Pray for clouds! North Wash is one of my favorite places to go.... in the winter!Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
you know, i was there last year with nat and his family in late june and, surprisingly, none of us thought it was too bad....and i have a low tolerance for heat (conversely very high for cold). it definitely helps being in a slot, and, i agree rock, the cooler times of year are better.Quote:
Originally Posted by rock_ski_cowboy
You had me at BEER! :lol8:Quote:
Originally Posted by mra243
Hey Ice!! You comin?! We're planning for the first or second weekend in August.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
C'mon down!!! The more the merrier!! :cheers: ...literally! :lol8:
I'll be in Idaho the first weekend in August. If you end up going the second weekend I'd love to try and make it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
Whats the plan?
Whats on the menu?
Did anyone tell you guys it's hot in August? :haha:
You get better buzz from beer in the heat... so it's all good :cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
PS: Do climbing shoes work better for canoyneering or not? Could someone post a link to shoes as example to be used for slotting?
Climbing shoes do not work for canyoneering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazak
Five-Ten Canyoneers and Sportiva Exum Rivers are the shoe of choice currently.
Any good cross training shoe or approach shoe will work good.
Read these two links and then we can chat some more
http://uutah.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1647
http://uutah.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1960
:popcorn:
5.10 canyoneer The gold standard of canyoneering shoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazak
La sportiva Exum River. The competition. Doesn't seem quite as durable as the 5.10, but some people prefer the lowtop design. Also seems easier to find these days.
or you could just use something similar to
what I am currently using. Not canyoneering specific shoes, but meet the basic requirements: sticky rubber, durable, good for hiking, not waterproof and have decent draining ability. Advantage: sometimes you can find shoes that fit the bill for about half what you'd pay for the 5.10s or Exums
Either the first or second weekend in August. Up and at em early on Saturday, then again on Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Canyons currently under consideration:
Monoxide (both forks)
Arscenic
Shillelaugh forks and Lucky Charms are ok for beginners, but are just so darn easy!
Others...? We're being pretty flexible here.
OK dad , err Ice :haha: jk , read all my homework and ready to listen up. I prefer to go with the majority when I buy new gear either it be canyoneering or other sports gear. So I'd spend the money on 5.10. My next question is (even though I have read about the shortage of it), can I find them locally anywhere in SLC, at least to try it on and pick the right size?Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
I know about Springdale store, but that's 4 hours from me... anything closer?
Thanks.
Black Diamond in SLC sells 5.10 Canyoneers.
Damn... those are all cold weather canyons.... save them for winter when you need something to do. They would be really hot in August. They are all usually dry.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
Only canyons in that area you might be able to talk me into that time of year would be "The Black Hole" and maybe Cheese Box.
And for the record.... the east fork of Monoxide is not worth doing..... I did it so you don't have too :haha:
Isn't "The Black Hole" a big black sooty, log-jammed mess right now?
Cheesebox could be doable. For that matter, so could Gravel, and/or Hideout Canyons as well. :2thumbs:
If you seriously want to do The Black Hole, I'd be down, but let's make sure we're all on the same page here.
Wetsuits mandatory right?
Or here's another idea.....have you seen that side canyon that empties into The Black Hole just above the entrance to The Black Hole that's hinted at in Kelsey's new "Guide to the Colorado Plateau?" It looks pretty cool....it empties into a big silo, kind of like a dry Neon Canyon.
Could be some new beta for Climb-Utah.......am I enticing you enough? :haha:
hot canyon?where ?when?Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
after got almost ipothermic in fatman and real ipothermic in spry last weekend i am looking for a warm spot.
i think i am the only one enjoing the hike up in spry
and damn i was not able to get anybody to do behunin
how the heck you can get in such cold situation i never get it
i feel good anything above 70F
back home today is max 88 min 74 and 69% humidity
:cool2: beach time!!!
Sounds like the mess is only in one spot, and its down past most of the swimming and previous log jams and can be skirted around. I may be wrong, but thats what i got from the Dave Black reports. Also, I bet theres been some flow with the big rain in the area lately. Seemed like I saw 1.5 inches in moab the other day?Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
I think Rock Ski is correct about what the Black Hole looks like. Also, I would not take a wetsuit to do the Black Hole if I was going in July or August, but that is a personal choice. Depending on when you decide to go the monsoon season should do a pretty good job of cleaning up the canyon, or making a bigger mess.....
And while Hesse was shivering in Fat Man's last weekend I was dipping myself in the water to cool down. Maybe hesse should drink more beer :haha:
Kelseys side canyon sounds interesting..... and then we could give it a cool name :2thumbs: I suggest Not-Mile-Marker 25.1 :roflol:
Kelsey has named it "Horse Tanks Canyon," but I think we could come up with a better name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Sooooooo, let's see here. We got Ice, Kazak, and hesse15 all committed....
Canyons are "Horse Tanks," and Cheesebox (both forks?)
Kazak is bringing beer.
Hesse15 is bringing the entertainment.
Anyone else want in on this? Should be fun!!!! :cheers:
I'm not commited, I already have a full platter in August..... my brother is getting married, my cousin is getting married, I have permits for Subway one Saturday late in the month.....Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
I need to consult the magic 8 ball and see if I have a free weekend.
:popcorn:
last time i was in there they did not have themQuote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
and the guy at ZAC told me they were the only ones at this point that stock them.
what size shoe you wear KAZAK, i've got a pair of 9's new in the box i'll sell you for $50.
i was planning a trip about this time frame, i might be a go as well.