Freedom of the press most certainly does NOT cover computers and the internet because the founding fathers could never have dreamed of such items.
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Freedom of the press most certainly does NOT cover computers and the internet because the founding fathers could never have dreamed of such items.
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Originally Posted by middlefork
So I was curious if any other country has the right to keep and bear arms similar to the US, and the answer is NO.
There is no other country where citizen are as free to own and use firearms, in this regard the US is truly unique.
Only 3 counties have the right to keep and bear arms written into their constitions, the US, Mexico and Guatemala. The latter two have constitutional restrictions.
The US is the only country with the right to keep and bear arms with no constitutional restrictions.
Six other countries used to have the constitutional right to keep and bear arms but those rights have since been rescinded.
In all other counties gun ownership is at the government's pleasure.
Politicians on both sides do try and pick and choose all the time.Quote:
You either support the Constition or you do not. You don't get to pick and choose to only support the parts that you like or agree with.
In recent years, the Republicans have proposed more changes to the Constitution than Democrats. Trump has said several times that he wants to change the Constitution.
Most politicians (or so it seems) want to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution they choose to follow, despite their oaths.
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Originally Posted by Scott P
Unless something has changed that I don't know about the president has zero power to change the Constition as that power is delegated to Congress.
I also see nothing wrong with discussing changes to our government, just call me when any of the hairbrained ideas discuss by either side begin to gain any serious traction.
Yes, but that doesn't mean that he didn't/doesn't want to change it. Trump has said several times that he does, especially concerning the 14th Amendment on Birthright Citizenship. One of his campaign promises was to end Birthright Citizenship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Obviously, it was a dead promise since it would require Congress to change the Constitution to do so, but it doesn't mean that he didn't say that he wanted to do it.
I would post links and videos (including from Fox News), but I'm pretty sure that you can find them yourself and I am pretty sure that you have already heard him say so in debates.
So Trump is a normal human being?!?!?
I'm sure there are changes to the Constition we would all like to make if given the opportunity.
But what does that have to do with the price of rice in China?
FWIW - I'd like to see a term limit amendment.
Which bring us back to your quote:Quote:
So Trump is a normal human being?!?!?
I'm sure there are changes to the Constition we would all like to make if given the opportunity.
You either support the Constition or you do not. You don't get to pick and choose to only support the parts that you like or agree with.
Supporting the Constitution has nothing to do where with wanting change so long as you support and uphold what is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
For example.... I've never seen Trump fail to support the 14th amendment or attempt to undermine it.
Too bad the same can not be said for Obama and the 2nd.
Now my question... why do liberals anyways try to confuse the situation and muddy the waters with semantics?
Yeah, it's kinda frustrating. It's like they want to pummel you with your own words by bypassing the gist of what your saying. Blowing right past little hidden meanings, double entendres and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
It's hard being friends with folks that do that...you never know when they'll call you out on the way you phrase things. It's rude and condescending...I tend to avoid people who have that habit.
For example.... I've never seen Trump fail to support the 14th amendment or attempt to undermine it.
Maybe so, but I didn't say that he did. I said that he promised that he would (which was obviously a dead promise). It seems that you are twisting what I said.
Yawn... we're back to a liberal spinning semantics.
Do we really need to define the meaning of the word "it" every time we use it in a post?
How about you make yourself useful and answer my question "why do liberals anyways try to confuse the situation and muddy the waters with semantics?"
Probably because they are human. Also, conservatives do the same thing; don't say that they don't. You did an OK job in clarifying your position before the ranting part.Quote:
"why do liberals anyways try to confuse the situation and muddy the waters with semantics?"
Trump is just a side note though. I still stand by my original statement:
Politicians on both sides do try and pick and choose all the time.
In recent years, the Republicans have proposed more changes to the Constitution than Democrats.
So, you answered with:
Supporting the Constitution has nothing to do where with wanting change so long as you support and uphold what is.
I accept and agree with that statement. We are in agreement. Our real disagreement is that (if not, feel free to correct me) you are implying (and have implied several times in the past) that it is only liberals who are trying to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution to support and follow. I disagree with this and say that it is both sides.
I can further expand my statement above from the below:
Politicians on both sides do try and pick and choose all the time.
In recent years, the Republicans have proposed more changes to the Constitution than Democrats.
To:
Politicians on both sides do try and pick and choose all the time. In recent years, the Republicans have proposed more changes to the Constitution than Democrats. As far as I have seen recent years, they have also been caught undermining or failing to support the Constitution more than Democrats.
Do you agree or disagree with this statement? If you disagree why?
I can start by pointing out why I feel that way. I'll start with the separation of Church and State. There have been many court ruling against many conservative politicians on the Separation of Church and State.
Further, there are still seven states in the US that have laws saying that atheists can't run for office. Six of those states are conservative. Is this Constitutional?
You can call me a flip flopper, but in recent years I have actually changed my viewpoints on some issues because I read the Constitution more often. One of those issues is gay marriage. Anyone can read my past Bogley post on the issue and see that I was strongly against gay marriage and making it legal. Obviously, gay marriage hasn't somehow become anymore appealing to me, but reading the Constitution only, and not other sources including my own thoughts and opinions, I just didn't/don't see how it can/should be banned. So, I changed my position.
So, if you disagree with my statements, convince me that what I said wasn't true. Unlike many, I am willing to change my positions if I find out that I am wrong.
Do you disagree or agree with my bolded statement above and why?
^^^I disagree with your bold comment because part of it is just wrong or incorrect.
There is nothing wrong with proposing changes to our constitution as that is how it was written and designed to work.
On the other hand the Democrats numerous attempts to undermine the 2nd Amendment are disgraceful.
And I'm not happy with either parties abuse of the 4th Amendment.
^^^The grammar and spelling used in that meme is atrocious.
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Originally Posted by Iceaxe
:roflol: Oh, Mr. Axe -- When it comes to spelling and grammar errors you're one of the worst offenders on this site. :lol8:
Yeah, I only scanned it and took a screenshot. Funny though that the hippies are still selling it.
I happy I'm not branded as a coward before the entire nation, I imagine that's got to be difficult to live with, or maybe cowards are just happy to be alive and don't really give a shit.
Cop who didn't enter school during shooting lied about thinking gunshots were coming from outside.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/09...s-outside.html
See if you can spot me and some of my footage :cool2:
This is my wife's Australian cousin Zoe Daniel. Shane is my brother in law. Parts of this special are shot at Impact Guns in Ogden, and then up in Honeyville, a couple of weeks ago.
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/why-a-tea...he-can/9564788
From the Outdoor Show in SLC over the weekend...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...7ed2ed6f94.jpg
Haha! In Utah, if caught, it's the equivalent to a parking ticket. I'd take that risk any day.Quote:
Originally Posted by accadacca
^^^Yeah, I'm willing to bet that there were a lot of concealed carriers in spite of the posted rules.
It's funny. Every year on the 4th of July, there is a guy here in Brigham City that crawls out of his parent's basement and shows up at the park where they do their fireworks display with an AR-15 on his back. The dude struts around in his flag/wolf shirt with that thing just to show off all of his freedom.
While I don't mind him carrying a gun, and I support his right to do so, he looks like a real tool. Also, if something were to go down, he'd be the first guy taken out. Seems the concealed carry idea works better for actual protection. I don't get the idea that he does this for protection though as much as he does it for attention.
Another high school shooting just this morning in Maryland. Three injured.
https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46284004&ni...chool-shooting
Possible copy cat? :ne_nau:
Utah governor signs bill allowing locks on classroom doors
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46283746&nid=157
Geez. So sad. It sounds like everyone's still alive at the time of that story being written. Hope it stays that way.
Yeah, that's just dumb. While I support his right to do so, it's not smart. I don't get the guys parading around advertising that they have guns. Other than here, I don't post my gun stuff on social media for the most part. I don't want people to know what I have and how much I'm armed. I also would never put all kinds of gun related decals on my vehicle. It's just an invite to thieves. Gun decals on a vehicle says to me that there's something gun related inside. It may not be a gun but, maybe a nice rangefinder or several boxes of ammo.Quote:
Originally Posted by devo_stevo
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Originally Posted by tallsteve
Not to mention "gun whackos" just paint those of us who are responsible and moderate in a bad light, and only serve to further polarize the issue. Just because I support the second amendment doesn't mean I think we should all celebrate the ability to parade an assault rifle in front of the masses. It's stupid and accomplishes nothing. Plus it frightens some people and pisses off many more.
Agreed. Like I said, the guy looks like a real idiot. And yes, it makes a LOT of people uncomfortable. I've had to explain to each of my kids as they get old enough to notice this guy that he might be within the law, but that doesn't mean it's the right way to do things. There's a right way and a wrong way to bring attention to an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
I'll bet I know exactly what his Kenny Powers sunglasses look like too.Quote:
Originally Posted by devo_stevo
He's so ready to make eye contact with anybody, ready to spout that memorized line of law and constitution to anybody that questions him, while holding out his cell phone in VERTICAL video mode.
Heavy breathing
Fast talking, sweating. Walking the same pattern while having nowhere to go.
And disappointed he couldn't "own" a cop on video at the end of the day.
Yeah he may not know that all of the classrooms I've ever worked in already have doors that lock. Heavy doors too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
And some teachers in Utah already carry concealed.
I just hope they don't waste any of our money "allowing teachers to start carrying concealed in Utah". Knee jerk reactions miss the existing circumstances.
So he's a democrat?:ne_nau:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
So you've seen him before. That pretty much nails it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
I haven't, yet I've got a crystal clear image in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by devo_stevo
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Originally Posted by devo_stevo
One dead so far. And I think the shooter was killed as well.
BTW...Utah just passed a new law to allow locks on school classroom doors.
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...6f&oe=5B2F57D7