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Saying he's won and this is a fraud, oh boy. Technically the counting hasn't been finished so he hasn't won. But his words will be twisted, obviously.
I honestly believe the stage is set for a civil war based on these words.
Would happen if he wins by court order, and the uncounted ballots show a Biden win.
Unfortunately he's likely to lose both WI and MI anyway, making court challenges of PA and NC moot.
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Originally Posted by dougrz
I can't follow who you think is going to win.
#3 -- Biden would have won? I thought you are alluding to a Biden victory anyway? :ne_nau:
#4 --- If you're implying Biden wins then why would there be street protests where Trump supporters are targeted? A coup and dictatorship? Of Trump because he won, or what? I don't follow. It's late.
Personally, right now it's looking like Biden barely goes over 270 and Trump challenges in the courts.
My scenario for open fighting is Trump wins via a court order to stop counting extra ballots. Then those ballots are studied and found to have had enough for Biden to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
Biden has taken the lead in WI with massive absentee numbers. MI is about 3k apart.
It's over, guys.
The senate might yet fall as well. MI James' lead is too small given the mass D absentees coming in. If Collins also comes up short in Maine, the Georgia runoff in January decides control.
Dem sweep is right there for the taking. The money and effort they'll pour into Georgia will be beyond belief. And we'll be demoralized and paralyzed. Ugly scenario. Collins winning is our last shot to save the country for a 2 year block.
I guess everyone else slept. I haven't. Sickening result.
I went to bed last night at 11...figured it should have been over by then. And it should have.
I remember when the Dems pulled the emergency chute for Biden with South Carolina back in February...I thought "I wonder how the hell they pulled that off?". I figured they went to all the black preachers with briefcases full of cash. Something sneaky had to happen.
And now this...entire states putting up the stop sign. If Biden ends up with this thing, then all the elections in our future are decided for us...just like their candidates.
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Originally Posted by dougrz
yea--AZ sounded like a lock.
Nobody could have done more than you did.
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To add to the permanence, without Trump the Repub party dies as a national force. Contrary to the talking heads who say it'll be better off without him.
There will not be the energy needed for any R politician I can think of. Lot of good men, but not the deep loyalty.
Or maybe I'm wrong and ground game and energy don't matter anymore. That only electronic media matters.
^ And I wish lawsuits could do something. But the tidal wave of mail ins for Ds in WI and MI was shocking. Some dumps were like 130k to 10k at 3am.
To invalidate hundreds of thousands of votes just isn't going to happen, to the point where the suits lead nowhere fast and get dismissed.
Bush v Gore was very specifically about unequal counting of ballots. There's just no argument in this case, other than exposing a mass fraud with real evidence.
Probably DeSantis takes the mantle. FL outperformed and seemed to indicate a Trump wave coming. Partially because Rs there liked him, you'd think.
I'm still sticking to my original prediction > a month ago - it will be quite a while before any official conclusion is declared, and this is all by design and part of the plan on the Dems. Court challenges to late mail in ballots, media playing cover, social media sensoring of any GOP arguments or statements....
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Originally Posted by caverdan
Sorry to disappoint you but there won't be one. Unlike Biden voters, Trump voters actually behave like adults.
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It would be nice if it shakes out a win for Trump and all us who care about maintaining the Country as the founders fought to build.
But in all honesty, I've been prepared for either eventuality.
My living does not come from politics, it goes on regardless.
The area I live in is surrounded by thousands of like minded folks and we all can survive.
I'm not saying things won't change--they will but that effect on me, by design, will be negligible.
We are certainly living in Historic times, for sure but no politician or collection of hacks will change my life, I won't participate in such a debacle.
My situation is very different from many, once again, by design.
It may be time to start squeezing lemons......
If your in a bad place, mentally or physically--change it, only you control your destiny.
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Originally Posted by caverdan
Ahhh well....if you're referring to Trump himself, then yeah you might have a point. I'm not sure how Trump will react personally to an election defeat -- he's used to only winning. :haha:
Will be interesting for sure....
I really feel that if Pres Trump would have just toned it down a little, used a little diplomacy and had Melania look over his Tweets before he sent them this would have been a very different morning.
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This will be an interesting social experiment to watch. What are going to be the direct and indirect affects of this? They say a large majority of homeless are that way because of drug addiction. How will illegalizing it impact the homeless population? While making it so that addicts might not have drug convictions that could make it hard for them to get a job and get/stay off the streets, will this just make more people get addicted, impact families, make them lose their jobs anyway and increase the homeless population? How is this going to impact the crime rates? Just because it’s legal doesn’t make it free. Gotta get money somehow for those items. Will those drop the street price of drugs? Will drug dispensaries (like MJ) open up? Will this draw more foreign drug cartels and dealers to the state?
As with mj first being made recreationally legal, then dispensaries and fully legal, so will this be.Quote:
Originally Posted by BasinCruiser
This issue is civilizational. If a civilization seeks to perpetuate itself- through families, production, education, decent behavior- is this a good idea? Next prostitution. Next polygamy. Next x, y, z. Are we really going to go down roads we know with certainty will destroy tens of thousands of lives and further wreck societal foundations?
Apparently so.
Wait, I hope you guys aren't relying on the media, even Fox News for your election results. We knew, and some of us have been trying to tell you, that the results would be fogged up by the media.
Wait it out. Take comfort.
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Originally Posted by BasinCruiser
I have mixed feelings on this. I think there are some definite benefits from this. As we're all aware, the "War on Drugs" has been an epic failure in this country. Maybe drastic actions like this will ultimately help in the long run.
Decriminalization doesn't mean legalization. Just because it's decriminalized doesn't mean the government is endorsing it -- it's just not going to continue to hand down life ending felonies.
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Chris Buskirk
@thechrisbuskirk
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AZ early am update. Maricopa County overnight was a pickup of ~50,000 votes for Trump. Biden lead is now ~90k with ~520k ballots out there. A 60-40 Trump split of those ballots would put Trump ahead by ~10k. Trump has been winning the count 60-40 or better since late last night.
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Chris Buskirk
@thechrisbuskirk
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AZ early am update. Maricopa County overnight was a pickup of ~50,000 votes for Trump. Biden lead is now ~90k with ~520k ballots out there. A 60-40 Trump split of those ballots would put Trump ahead by ~10k. Trump has been winning the count 60-40 or better since late last night.
Sean Davis
@seanmdav
On a conference call earlier this morning, Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien said when all the votes are counted in Arizona, Trump will win by 25,000-30,000 votes.Since Fox News inexplicably called the state for Biden last night, Trump has cut Biden's margin in half.
8:26 AM · Nov 4, 2020·Twitter Web App
Sean Davis
@seanmdav
On a conference call earlier this morning, Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien said when all the votes are counted in Arizona, Trump will win by 25,000-30,000 votes.Since Fox News inexplicably called the state for Biden last night, Trump has cut Biden's margin in half.
8:26 AM · Nov 4, 2020·Twitter Web App
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If Trump holds GA, NC, and PA.
I believe AZ would put him over 270--275??
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Originally Posted by oldno7
That's how I see it as well.
I think PA and NC are Trump's. GA and AZ are questionable.
Maricopa county has to swing Trump to win AZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
What do you think Doug?
AZ. and Nevada are going to be key players in the outcome.
Not needing both but one or the other with above mentioned states.
interesting live feed
off until 5:00 now
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Error in Arizona: 86 percent of vote in, not 98 percent
An error was found in Edison Research data for the results of Arizona’s presidential contest, according to New York Times editor Patrick LaForge.
As of early Wednesday, only 86 percent of the state’s votes have been counted, not 98 percent. Edison is used by the Times and other news organizations, which had reported that 98 percent of the vote was counted based on the information.
(Unfortunately the maps and charts are displaying the percentage incorrectly until this can be fixed)
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/524460-error-in-edison-research-data-from-arizona-only-86-of-vote-in-not-98
Would the Dems stop the vote counting if they were winning?
Have a little more confidence in the plan. Give it a few days. They are exposing their plan.
Don't drive yourselves crazy over this sham. It will be settled in time.
If you think the Dems pulled this off without Trump being prepared, buckle up.
Sting operation.
Just watch what happens.
https://twitter.com/All50News/status...33969466314754
THE NATIONAL GUARD WAS DEPLOYED TO 12 STATES TO HELP WITH ELECTION.
LOOK WHICH STATES.
DID WE RUN A STING AND HAD A SECRET THIRD PARTY AUDIT COUNTING THE WHOLE TIME
DO YOU BELIEVE IN COINCIDENCES
My biggest takeaway from the whole adventure was the determination of Rs to vote, understanding the gravity. And being an R county thought that meant we'd take the state.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldno7
still may...Quote:
Originally Posted by dougrz
hmmm, differing numbers---nice turnout, though:roll:
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HARLAN Z. HILL
@Harlan
Wisconsin voter turnout by year:2000 - 67.01%2004 - 73.24%2008 - 69.20%2012 - 70.14%2016 - 67.34%2020 - 89.25%
@Harlan
Trump has been saying this all along but it sounds so ridiculous, it's brushed off. But this is happening.
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