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^^^I'll take the 7th grade math teacher protecting me in an active shooter situation over no protection at all... and I'm betting just about everyone that found themselves in such a situation would agree...
This is strange, it's not like it was 50 years ago, I mean look at this shee-hat. WTFQuote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
This comes down to the practice I mentioned prior, many of these same people cannot form their own opinion, or they don't dare to. First they must hear a topic, and then find out what "their side" says about it, then they will gladly take up a stronghold position on where the party does. These aren't independent thinkers. It's like the husband asking his wife if it's ok to laugh or clap at something.
I'm not accusing you, Scott, of this. You're clearly independent an intelligent enough to form your own opinion without the need to check if you're in line with your familiar sources. But man oh man, we sure do see this growing on both sides.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3u3nKXwDRE
Yes, I already know about all that. I was asking about Obama specifically, not Hillary, Bill, etc. Where did he ever say a wall should be built?Quote:
http://www.bogley.com/forum/images/m...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Scott P http://www.bogley.com/forum/images/m...post-right.png
When did Obama say a wall should be built?
This is strange, it's not like it was 50 years ago, I mean look at this shee-hat. WTF
Obama did vote for a fence even during the Bush Administration. Here is the bill:
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archi...0061026-1.html
Yes, Obama has said much about immigration and securing our borders. Here is what he said in 2014:
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...on-immigration
Still, I am not aware of Obama ever saying a wall should be built. I know he has said a fence, tighter security, etc. I did phrase it in the form of a question just in case there was an off chance that he did say we should build a wall and I wasn't aware of it, but I still haven't ever seen/heard anything pertaining to building a wall from Obama. In the video you posted, he doesn't say anything about a wall. In the video makes statements about a fence, security at the borders, etc., but not the wall.
(PS, I'm not picking on you; I only questioned one statement).
And, yes, I already know that both sides are hypocritical. Pick your video:
https://www.google.com/search?q=repu...w=1280&bih=709
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C....0.vyuhSZlLYE8
Walmart bans gun sales to anyone under 21 after Parkland, Florida school shooting
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
I strictly oppose building a wall between U.S. and Mexico. Not because I believe it's immoral, but because quite simply it's an incredibly expensive and horribly ineffective option that just won't work -- at least not the way Trump believes it will.
Hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars devoted to building something that almost any motivated Mexican can thwart or avoid with ease. No thanks.
I agree. Further, most illegals are those who overextend their visas.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
So only a minimal amount of illegals will be affected by the wall then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
Some will be affected, but most won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
As with Rockgremlin my opposition to the wall is the cost. It seems like a huge waste, especially for the reasons mentioned.
The wall is a lot more than just illegal aliens, it's also about drug interdiction and controlling your borders among other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
I don't know exactly what the answer is but there are certainly places that a border wall makes sense.... or... you can deal with the problems that come with an open border, pick your poison.
https://i2.wp.com/www.courthousenews...ico-border.jpg
http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net...yanBavetta.jpg
^^^Looks like:
San Diego/Tijuana
Nogales/Heroic Nogales
FTFYQuote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
:cool2:
There's all kinds of nasty shit coming over the border. I think these walls and tighter security is a must. I'm mostly concerned with terrorists or agents of other nations just getting right in. I think we've been dodging a bullet with out southern border for a long time. We've got a third world/corrupt nation right next door that might soon be getting a lot more socialist...meaning even more jacked up. Check out the politics down there.
Terrorists are more likely to enter through Canada.Quote:
I'm mostly concerned with terrorists or agents of other nations just getting right in.
From Mexico, drugs are a much bigger problem.
Corrupt, yes; third world, no. By world standards, Mexico is fairly rich country.Quote:
We've got a third world/corrupt nation right next door
Canada huh? What makes you say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
When is the last time you were in Mexico? Did you travel outside the touristy areas? I was in La Paz in January and it's a shithole. There is fun, outdoorsy stuff to do there, but the city is a filthy mess away from where the gringos hang out. Yes, I know you've traveled the world and are infinitely wise with these things. Perhaps our eyeballs interpret things differently.
No need to respond to what I just said, Scott. Please ignore the question marks as I'm not interested in your focused on minutiae Professor Peterson opinion. I'm for "The Wall"...period.
Would you believe Fox News?Quote:
Canada huh? What makes you say that?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/10...ia-canada.html
It's a lot easier for terrorists to cross the Canadian border than the Mexican one.
I was there in November. See the trip log:Quote:
When is the last time you were in Mexico? Did you travel outside the touristy areas?
https://www.summitpost.org/2017-trip-log/992318
Before that, the next most recent trip was 11 months earlier. See the December trip log:
https://www.summitpost.org/2016-trip-log/963348
The only touristy area we visited was the Aztec pyramids. We almost never go to touristy areas.
Of course they do. Perspective. I was comparing Mexico to the World rather than just to the US. Mexico is not as developed as the US, but it's far more developed than much of the world and far cleaner and more developed than it was in the early 1990's, which when I started going there.Quote:
Perhaps our eyeballs interpret things differently.
Also, the neighborhoods I grew up in and that my parents still live in aren't any better than an average neighborhood in Mexico.
A lot of illegal immigrants cross the border into Mexico because the standard of living is higher there than it is in places such as Guatemala and Honduras. A lot of counties in latin America consider Mexico to be a "rich" country.
So to sum it up, Mexico is not as developed as the US. It is still more developed than much of the world.
I still wouldn't want to live in much of Mexico because of the corruption and crime rates in many of the areas. If corruption could be curtailed, it would be a much better place.
Too bad; I responded anyway. :bootyshake:Quote:
No need to respond to what I just said, Scott.
A wall, a fence, a moat full of alligators...whatever. Just build it.
How does that work with your logical detail? Different eyeballs, indeed.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/business...any-over-guns/
Looks like no more Camelback, Gyro or Bell at REI for a while. The funny thing about boycotts like this is how few independent brands there actually are in the outdoor industry. A huge portion of the brands are just subsidiaries of larger investment firms. If REI started digging into all of their suppliers I would bet they would find a lot worse connections than ammunition sellers.
REI needs to understand that boycott's work both ways and that many of their customer base are gun supporters and very well may boycott them in return. I'll start. I won't be buying anything from REI.Quote:
Originally Posted by uintafly
From Kentucky Governor--Matt Bevin.
I don't think he is wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=475&v=F6XTVuUP0Ho
Well spoken. He is point on.
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I'll go on record, though, and state these war/crime in the street games are fine with competent parents there to supervise.
But for a outcast, single parent kid, they are his bible and separating real life from fiction isn't possible.
In my view--depends on the kid, depends on the family or lack there of.
BOOM!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by accadacca
Delta's dumbass knee jerk reaction will now cost them millions of dollars. There is a good lesson to be learned from this.... Don't make big decisions based on emotions at the moment. If Delta had of made this choice several weeks removed from the Florida shooting, or just declined to renew when the next contract came due, no one would have really batted an eye.
Georgia scraps Delta tax break after NRA split.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...nra-split.html
Gun control is hitting what you aim at.
Sweet, just what we need, the government giving and taking economic tax incentives out based on the political leanings of the companies! What could possible go wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Yep. Pretty much fool proof. Until the next governor, or president, has a different ideology and goes the other way on these issues. Then they're dictators and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by uintafly
Any time you give someone the power to do something, you also give the next guy the same power. Be careful what you ask for. You might get it.
Guns 101...
https://youtu.be/G1pFQUKO9ks
Hey... all I'm saying is knee jerk reactions are never well thought out and always come back to bite you in the ass...Quote:
Originally Posted by uintafly
Delta is paying for a knee jerk reaction right now, I'm betting GA will pay for their knee jerk reaction somewhere down the road.
FWIW - Delta's decision to take away the NRA discount for members flying to the national convention will cost them $38 million.
Delta had only sold 13 NRA discounted tickets.
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"We believe that it is the job of companies that manufacture and sell guns and ammunition to work towards common sense solutions that prevent the type of violence that happened in Florida last month." —REI
REI was just added to my never visit again list.
Dont do facebook but was sent this link.
I stand with this guy
https://www.facebook.com/NickFreitas...789187997/?t=1
Let me get this straight--It's o.k. to type mis information on the computer---BUT you cannot acquire a computer to do such?:crazy:Quote:
Originally Posted by hank moon
You can sit down and wright an essay on paper, with a pen--- BUT you cannot acquire paper and pen?:roflol:
You can freely exercise your freedom of Religion--BUT you can't acquire a church:2thumbs:
You can go ahead and hand out newspapers---BUT you can't have a printing press.
You can stand in front of a camera and recite your version of the news---BUT you can't have a tv station.
You can stand around on streets and protest, with SIGNS---BUT--you can't acquire SIGNS.
And therein lies the problem. Did they suggest any? No. Why not? because they can't come up with any that will make a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by accadacca
21 and over to purchase. How many mass shooters are over the 21 year age limit?
Expanded back ground checks. They passed the current ones or the system failed to identify them.
Magazine limits are ridiculous it is just a matter of a little practice to switch out magazine no matter how many cartridges they hold.
For sure let's hear all those common sense solutions and how they apply the the current situation.
This guy uses facts, reason and commonsense.... The left will never listen to a word he says.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldno7
Without a doubt this is one of the most dumbass posts I have ever read...Quote:
Originally Posted by hank moon
...so now you are trying to tell me freedom of the press is OK, but we can outlaw selling the ink and paper required to print.
You either support the Constition or you do not. You don't get to pick and choose to only support the parts that you like or agree with.
....
^^^You reworded the same dumbass remark... got it.
So now you're saying you have no right to be able to acquire paper and ink... Just keep inserting paper and ink for guns and ammo and you will understand what a dumbass those who support the Constition think you are.
***insert eyeroll here***
Yet, it is EXACTLY what you wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by hank moon
You can buy beer, too, IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT, then go drive into someone and kill them while drunk.
And you wonder why the common folks grows tired of you socialist with no clue as to what you talk about.
I'm so relieved you are able to tell us what the 2nd amendment says--"today".
I'll stick with it's original content--it has been backed by Supreme court rulings.
Oh--and today, freedom of the press, is "largely meant to mean" inkwells and quills, right?