I think the explosion the "experts" want to protect us from is the stock market setting record highs.... if the liberals don't get that squashed before November the election will be a bloodbath.
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I think the explosion the "experts" want to protect us from is the stock market setting record highs.... if the liberals don't get that squashed before November the election will be a bloodbath.
It's gonna be a bloodbath anyway...and you're right, the only thing that would stop the market is another lockdown...and that ain't gonna happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
We have 10 pos COVID19 patients and 1 PUI. And the hospital is finally busy again!
Hospital is asking us to stay out of our IMC unit. They will be closing the hallway down so it limits who comes near the COVID19 unit. My hospital is doing good on supplies currently. But sounds like the surge might be here.
School starts in 13 days. Should be interesting.
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Ah...I think the percentage you will get is higher but it won't kill if you do. Might make you good and sick. You might not even notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by accadacca
Been listening to several videos about viral load and how that plays into this vital infection. Interesting.
At any rate as school starts back up.... I am sitting here with[emoji897] waiting to see how things play out. 8 months in and we still are learning everyday.
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OK....starting with him. Lock him in a closet. He can still do his interviews with Don Lemon..the last one left to listen to this nutcase. Or is Don Lemon the expert?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Card
BTW, how early do you have this talking? I see an article from 2004..."The nature of the widespread avian influenza outbreaks in Asia points to the threat of a human flu pandemic that could rival the disastrous pandemic of 1918-1920, infectious disease expert Michael T. Osterholm, PhD, MPH, warned in a public forum in Minneapolis last week.There are disquieting signs that the H5N1 virus circulating in Asian poultry flocks could do as much damage to humanity as the "Spanish flu" virus of 1918, said Osterholm, director of the University of Minnesota Center for infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), publisher of this Web site."
I see the one from 2001.."The use of biologic agents by a terrorist is really the ultimate rock in the gear. It is a way to bring down a society, not only in terms of death and the kinds of illnesses we could see, but the panic that will ensue across states, that will ensue throughout commerce in general, is the very nature of what terrorism is all about."
Much better is this doomsayer who was streaming when the market crashed in 2010. Classic audio...guy going crazy lol.Shows you how its done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2kEjZSMj6I
That's funny...I never knew Captain Beefheart was keeping up on the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adonis
11/3/20 is election day...
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Chicago's $66M coronavirus hospital treats just 38 patients
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JUST IN: Utah reports 242 new cases and 2 new COVID-19 deaths. The rolling seven-day average is 354 cases - or 9.6% of those tested. 139 people hospitalized.
This seems like really low numbers. I haven’t been following it, but when do we stop reporting the numbers because it is over? Obviously there are still mountains to climb I guess because they are still cancelling everything. Including a good chunk of college sports due to some new heart condition?
Luckily here in Utah we’ve got High School Football and much of it is streamed live, including 25 games last weekend. So I guess I’ll be watching more of that and BYU Football this year. Along with the SEC, ACC, Big 12 and others.
November 4, 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by accadacca
Our knob polisher Governor here in Colorado just extended the "mask mandate" for another month...until the middle of September. I'm sure he'll keep extending it all the way to the election, at least. They have to...especially since they're going off right now with the Post Office thing and "voter suppression"...they'll have to keep everyone masked up and fearful of going to polling places.Quote:
Originally Posted by accadacca
You guys still have the mandate there in Utah? It'll be interesting to see if the Governors of red states in particular pull back on those before the election. I think it's obvious that most people are truly done with this thing (it's been 6 months now, for Christ's sake) and the "death and misery" isn't equitable to the economic and mental pain.
But it's all about politics, power, control and fear...conservative types just want to get back to normal but the liberals have no limiting principles...you ask them "When does it end" and you can't get an answer. Like chicken little, people will turn away from it.
So Biden/Harris propose a three month federal mandate with masks...I wonder if they'd actually implement it if they were elected? Seems to me a vast majority would give them the middle finger. The proposal itself is like a torpedo into the side of it's own ship.
I was in the grocery store last night with my mask on...everybody had a mask on. I wear it for one reason only...because I want to purchase products and without it I would (likely) be asked to leave. I can't help but think that most of the other people in that store feel the same way. They're not "sanitizing" the shit out of everything anymore and I didn't see a line outside the restroom with people washing their hands.
With the exception of those that live with mental or physical hypochondria as a normal part of their lives...I'd say most are just over this thing.
The mask mandate in Utah only impacts a small fraction of counties. The remainder of the state is mostly mask-free save for those establishments that are mandating for entry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron
God bless Utah...I envy you guys sometimes.
^^^Utah left mask mandates up to local officials.... so... basically any city or county controlled be a Democratic has a mask mandate... and they say it's not political.
Private business can set their own standards.
the coronavirus is a massive drag on the economy and will continue to be as numbers stay high or increase, ymmvQuote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
No shit... ya got any news that everyone and their dog is not aware of?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefan
Breaking news.... drunk driving causes death's... so let's ban cars... problem solved.
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Originally Posted by Iceaxe
so it's not that serious. got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
So drunk driving is not serious? Got it...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefan
Define "high"...seems quite variable, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefan
ymmv...yes indeed, it does.
For example, I don't own a single "mask"...if there is a sign on the front door of a business I want to enter then I'll tie on a bandanna and as soon as I walk out the door the thing comes off. I wouldn't pay a nickel for a "mask" and if I had, I'd be happy to burn it in a campfire when I take a road trip next month.
Just out of curiosity, stefan...you seem like a pretty liberal minded person...when will you put your mask away? What do the numbers have to look like before you're done with it? And another thing...do you think it was worth it to take the hit on the economy, crashed businesses and the despair, loneliness and stress it caused?
Personally, I don't. I think we should have had a lightweight "shutdown", maybe a month, educate everyone to sanitize and clean, wear a mask if you want to and take extra precautions for the elderly and sick. Good luck, folks and look both ways before you cross the street.
And while you're at it...don't drink fish tank cleaner.
drunk driving isn't contagiousQuote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
OK...well there you have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefan
I don't know if you're married or single...but when you were footloose and fancy free did ya ever boink a girl without a rubber on? Betcha didn't.
it can be contagious in a behavioral sense but not in the direct transmission sense nor is it remotely as contagious as the coronavirus which is widespread all over the world in short order. (apples and oranges)Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron
???Whaaaa...???Quote:
Originally Posted by stefan
Sorry dude...you're way too smart for me.
masks have nothing to do with politics unless you choose to politicize it. i don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron
since many have been warning about this for quite some time, i think we should have been ahead of the curve and been significantly more prepared than we were and ready to act with a coherent national strategy to mitigate it quickly before it spread rather than being complacent and slow to react (in both the long-term sense of preparedness and the short-term sense). even in the short term, in january, navarro (along side the intelligence agencies) warned early on the issues it would present but didn't gain traction with the president.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron
In other words.....Quote:
Originally Posted by stefan
"It's Trump's fault"
Fixed it for you. :2thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by stefan
Like when Trump was litteraly talking about it in the SOTU address in January, which ended with Pelosi ripping up his speech saying that it was full of nothing but lies? Or when Trump banned travel from Wuhan, and the Dems freaked out calling him a dictator Nazi, vs Pelosi telling everyone that everythning was fine, come on down to Chinatown and have a good time?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefan
Thank goodness the WHO was out in front of this....(cough cough). Rather than telling the truth, they were playing cover up for the CCP telling everyone that there was no known human to human transmittion, and that it's not an airborne contagiant. And when they get called out for it and cancelled (defunded), all of the MSM and libs start balling their eyes out saying how much we need the precious WHO.
wrong interpretation/conclusion but as president his leadership is incredibly importantQuote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
Oopps...didn't mean it politically, actually. But I can see how you interpreted it that way...and it gave you a real quick, easy way out of actually answering the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefan
So I'll ask it differently...Hey stefan, how do the numbers/infections/ deaths/ whatever have to look before you'll put your mask away? Specifically like a winter hat, gloves, stuff like that you put into a drawer or closet because you don't need them.
You know what? Just ignore my question...because you're almost certainly going to spew some "I'm to intellectual for the room bullshit nonsense".
Hate to say it stefan...but you should really dumb yourself down a little bit. Do like I do, wrap a joke around most things...life is a lot more fun that way.
Why do they ignore this? You can't have a rational conversation with these people when they simply refuse to acknowledge reality! Seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by BasinCruiser
They always say "We need to have a conversation" and then declare that the sun is pink. You can't get anywhere with them...friggin' blinders.
as an short (incomplete) answer: either when a functional and safe vaccine is widely available and can offer protection to those at risk of severe illness and death and as well as essential workers (and which could ultimately could provide a similar type of herd immunity we maintain with flu vaccines) or when the numbers are sufficiently low that transmission is a non-issue (however that may come about).Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron
Like they were back in Feb? Then what? For how long?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefan
So you're going to be wearing that mask for a long time, I reckon.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefan
You gonna line up to get that shot? Are you "at risk"...are we ALL at risk? Who will you trust when it's announced that we have "herd Immunity? What if there are nurses, doctors, "essential workers" that won't remove their masks even though the government gives the all clear? Is it going to happen when you turn on the TV and no one has said anything about it for two straight weeks? What is "sufficiently low"?
"However that may come about"...like, you'll just wait until it feels right? Y'know...I like that one. Lots of people (like myself) feel like it "feels right" right now.
No hard feelings, stefan. My poking you about was just in jest, really. I truly am genuinely curious to hear form those that advocate for mask, mask and more mask...the only other one around here that's kinda sorta down with that is blueeyes. Among my friends and clients though, most seem quite tired of it...and the liberal clients I have (there's that politics again!) that have them glued to their faces don't wanna talk about it...although some of them are elderly so I get it.