Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by jman

Thats a great point about avoiding trouble. [emoji106]

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Yeah, I'm not that smart... I don't have a mask, and I often wear a red MAGA hat.

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Originally Posted by Byron

I wear a "mask" into bigger stores simply because I don't want to have a confrontation with some hypersensitive sissy. The best way to avoid trouble...is to avoid trouble. I learned that a long time ago.

But I have a habit of poking the bear...I'll go along with the program, with modifications. Right now, my "mask" is and American Flag bandana. Later today I have to run errands...I just called the Army Navy Surplus store here in Denver and asked if they have any Confederate flag bandanas and they said no...they sold out and don't even know if they'll be able to get anymore. So now I'm on the hunt for that bandana.

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So, you aviod trouble by....poking the bear. :lol8:

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Originally Posted by jman

Thats a great point about avoiding trouble. [emoji106]


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Yep...I'm just full of contradictions. I just don't do the clone thing very well...but at the same time I get away with murder.

Sometimes tip toeing on the edge can be kinda fun.

So what do you think would be more provocative? The MAGA hat or the bandana? Maybe it's a wash?

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Originally Posted by Byron

Yep...I'm just full of contradictions. I just don't do the clone thing very well...but at the same time I get away with murder.

Sometimes tip toeing on the edge can be kinda fun.

So what do you think would be more provocative? The MAGA hat or the bandana? Maybe it's a wash?

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Definitely wear both at the same time it completes the fashion statement.

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Originally Posted by Byron

Yep...I'm just full of contradictions. I just don't do the clone thing very well...but at the same time I get away with murder.

Sometimes tip toeing on the edge can be kinda fun.

So what do you think would be more provocative? The MAGA hat or the bandana? Maybe it's a wash?

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I would suggest really screwing with people and wearing an official face mask (not a bandana), but then also wear a MAGA hat. That way you piss everyone off. :lol8:

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Originally Posted by blueeyes

Definitely wear both at the same time it completes the fashion statement.

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I gotta give you credit...it's always a woman that comes up with perfection in one sentence. Bam, done.

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Originally Posted by Byron

I gotta give you credit...it's always a woman that comes up with perfection in one sentence. Bam, done.

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I think you should round out the ensemble with this:

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SALT LAKE CITY — After Utah again broke its highest single-day increase in COVID-19 cases on Friday — then again on Saturday — state epidemiologist Dr. Angela Dunn warned another shutdown might be necessary to control the outbreak.

“We are quickly getting to a point where the only viable option to manage spread and deaths will be a complete shutdown,” the memo stated. “This might be our last chance for course correction. Contact tracing and testing alone will not control this outbreak.”

https://www.ksl.com/article/46768018...top-the-spread

I thought the recent narrative has been that we would not return to a complete shutdown, and that everyone should exercise increased personal safety -- hand washing, masks, etc.?

I've heard several different sources claim that even if cases should spike again that we cannot afford another complete shutdown.

Accaddaca needs to stop swallowing the bullshit always being fed to the sheep by MSM and understand the numbers....

The death rate is not climbing, which is a major indicator of what is really happening. The reason the number of positive tests is increasing is we are testing exponentially more people now then we were 4 weeks ago. 4 weeks ago if you were young and sick they would just tell you stay home and isolate, call back if it gets worse, because there were not enough test to go around and they were being saved for the "at risk" group. Now anyone can get a test, even if you are not symptomatic.

I'll also guarantee you we're not shutting down again... that was a HUGE national and economic train wreck, not to mentions countries that didn't shut down didn't fare any worse. Another shutdown is just the current liberal wet dream.

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Originally Posted by accadacca

SALT LAKE CITY — After Utah again broke its highest single-day increase in COVID-19 cases on Friday — then again on Saturday — state epidemiologist Dr. Angela Dunn warned another shutdown might be necessary to control the outbreak.

“We are quickly getting to a point where the only viable option to manage spread and deaths will be a complete shutdown,” the memo stated. “This might be our last chance for course correction. Contact tracing and testing alone will not control this outbreak.”

https://www.ksl.com/article/46768018...top-the-spread

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I think to be totally accurate, the "shut down" would be to go to "orange". This probably should have been added to your quote above:

"In addition to returning to the orange phase, Dunn recommended making face masks mandatory. She noted these suggestions factor in ways the economy can remain open while still decreasing cases." (Underlining added)

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Originally Posted by Iceaxe

The reason the number of positive tests is increasing is we are testing exponentially more people now then we were 4 weeks ago..

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That is not what the article said. This is what Dr. Dunn said:

"Testing in the state has plateaued, “indicating that increase in cases is NOT due to increase in testing,” the memo emphasizes."

The increase is because we are open.

Two ways to overcome this virus....

A vaccine, which ain't going to happen for a long time if ever, we have only been working on one for 20 years (SARS).

Or herd immunity, which requires 70% of the population to get the virus...

I've never seen spread of the virus as a bad thing, so long as it's slow and doesn't overwhelm our healthcare system.

FWIW - Herd immunity is what finally stopped the 1918 pandemic.

YMMV

And there you have it. Leave it up to the Dems fav playtoy dimwit to let slip what we’ve all known all along.


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Look at the CDC website, which again is NOT being mentioned at this time, I'd think the pandemic is just about over.

Remember, a small, just a teeny weeny fact, the numbers have ALWAYS been Covid OR flu OR pnuemonia. These numbers we've been hearing have NEVER been just about Covid. Just a small point of interest.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm

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I don't think this is over just yet. I do think we will see an increase in the fall when schools hopefully get back to normal.

And the current increase is because we are opening back up. This is to be expected. It isn't because we are testing more.

And the death count increase lags behind the increased cases by about 2 weeks. Also they have a better handle on treating patients with COVID then they did back in March. Especially with the convalescent plasma that contains antibodies.

Shutting down businesses again is the worst idea.

Good luck on enforcing people to wear masks. I think if people quit pushing it so much and just let it be...more people probably would wear a mask. If they don't who the **** cares. If you are worried wear one. But more importantly wash your hands. Go wash them again.

And just because a box says it will not protect you from the virus doesn't mean it won't help. If you want to do a little experiment with me come on up to Weber. I will have you cough unmasked onto a petri dish. Then I will have you put a mask on and cough. We can incubate the plates for 24 hours and take a look.

If this society wasn't so litigious then statements like that wouldn't have to put on packaging. But i can honestly see some money hungry jerk go after a mask making company after they get sick with COVID saying they wore a mask everyday and it gave them false protection.

Again personally if you are healthy I don't think you need a mask unless you are next to some nuckle head that keeps hacking their head off. Or you yourself are coughing. But like a good person I will wear one at work and other places as requested or if I am coughing. Or am around someone who is vulnerable.

Justin you are still out there with conspiracy theories but that is okay.

Anytime I see shit that says I took a screen shot before it was taken down makes me think....ALL of it is bullshit. Anyone can make it look like someone said something they regret posting on the web. Not saying it didn't happen. But it sure smells of BS. But then all of politics smells that way. Especially our current POTUS.

Hey one more reminder...go wash your hands and keep them out of your face.

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So, apparently, the virus only infects white people.


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Originally Posted by blueeyes

I don't think this is over just yet. I do think we will see an increase in the fall when schools hopefully get back to normal.

And the current increase is because we are opening back up. This is to be expected. It isn't because we are testing more.

And the death count increase lags behind the increased cases by about 2 weeks. Also they have a better handle on treating patients with COVID then they did back in March. Especially with the convalescent plasma that contains antibodies.

Shutting down businesses again is the worst idea.

Good luck on enforcing people to wear masks. I think if people quit pushing it so much and just let it be...more people probably would wear a mask. If they don't who the **** cares. If you are worried wear one. But more importantly wash your hands. Go wash them again.

And just because a box says it will not protect you from the virus doesn't mean it won't help. If you want to do a little experiment with me come on up to Weber. I will have you cough unmasked onto a petri dish. Then I will have you put a mask on and cough. We can incubate the plates for 24 hours and take a look.

If this society wasn't so litigious then statements like that wouldn't have to put on packaging. But i can honestly see some money hungry jerk go after a mask making company after they get sick with COVID saying they wore a mask everyday and it gave them false protection.

Again personally if you are healthy I don't think you need a mask unless you are next to some nuckle head that keeps hacking their head off. Or you yourself are coughing. But like a good person I will wear one at work and other places as requested or if I am coughing. Or am around someone who is vulnerable.

Justin you are still out there with conspiracy theories but that is okay.

Anytime I see shit that says I took a screen shot before it was taken down makes me think....ALL of it is bullshit. Anyone can make it look like someone said something they regret posting on the web. Not saying it didn't happen. But it sure smells of BS. But then all of politics smells that way. Especially our current POTUS.

Hey one more reminder...go wash your hands and keep them out of your face.

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The mask thing hasn’t been about protecting yourself from contracting it but rather spreading it to others. Respirators protect you against it but since the virus is tiny and goes straight through masks it hasn’t been about protecting yourself.

That’s why your example breathing on a Petridish example works well with that

When someone is infected with coronavirus and every time you exhale the virus is attached to your water droplets. And that’s why masks work in helping curbing the virus. The whole “brainwash” meme above is meh. It’s called misinformation which has been #libertarianized


Coughing/sneezing into your arm or clothes is kinda the same as wearing a mask. Same principle.

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Originally Posted by jman

The mask thing hasn’t been about protecting yourself from contracting it but rather spreading it to others. Respirators protect you against it but since the virus is tiny and goes straight through masks it hasn’t been about protecting yourself.

That’s why your example breathing on a Petridish example works well with that

When someone is infected with coronavirus and every time you exhale the virus is attached to your water droplets. And that’s why masks work in helping curbing the virus. The whole “brainwash” meme above is meh. It’s called misinformation which has been #libertarianized


Coughing/sneezing into your arm or clothes is kinda the same as wearing a mask. Same principle.

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I know this. Why I offered to show the difference between wearing a mask and not wearing one if you cough.



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Yeah...chunks of snot flying around in the air is a bad thing, no doubt. Especially if it's infected with an invisible little monster...a virus that can apparently sail right thru your weak little "mask"...but is stopped dead in it's tracks by the mask of the infected. OK, got it.

What's this...page 243 and we're still arguing that? Should be wearing googles, too. Snot in the eyeball is pretty gnarly, ya know.

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Originally Posted by blueeyes

I know this. Why I offered to show the difference between wearing a mask and not wearing one if you cough.



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gotcha. I just re-read your post (compare to skimming it) and you made that clear. My apologies.


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Originally Posted by Byron

Yeah...chunks of snot flying around in the air is a bad thing, no doubt. Especially if it's infected with an invisible little monster...a virus that can apparently sail right thru your weak little "mask"...but is stopped dead in it's tracks by the mask of the infected. OK, got it.

What's this...page 243 and we're still arguing that? Should be wearing googles, too. Snot in the eyeball is pretty gnarly, ya know.

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Lol omg you crack me up.


Snot if you sneeze...water droplets if you cough. And no it is not stopped dead in its tracks. But inhibited considerably.

And I am sure we will keep debating this for another 243 pages because that is how it works around here.

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Good discussion about masks. As y'all are aware, I'm a BIG skeptic when it comes to masks (as my sig indicates). But I had a conversation with a co-worker today who made it clear that masks were never intended to protect you from the virus -- they're intended to protect others. If you're infected, your breath expels billions, maybe trillions of Covid particles suspended in droplets. A mask won't catch them all, but it will stop about 75 - 80% of all infected particles, which is significant.

I couldn't refute that.

Anything that spews from some other person's mouth is snot as far as I'm concerned. Nasty...especially if infected with cooties.

It dawned on me when I was 10 years old not to eat the birthday cake anymore...unless it was mine, of course.

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Originally Posted by rockgremlin

made it clear that masks were never intended to protect you from the virus -- they're intended to protect others.

I couldn't refute that.

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I sure as hell can...why do these others get special treatment?

I reread that sentence three times and I'm like...WTF?

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Originally Posted by Byron

Anything that spews from some other person's mouth is snot as far as I'm concerned. Nasty...especially if infected with cooties.

It dawned on me when I was 10 years old not to eat the birthday cake anymore...unless it was mine, of course.

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Easy target for getting all the good food from you.

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Originally Posted by Byron

I sure as hell can...why do these others get special treatment?

I reread that sentence three times and I'm like...WTF?

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I am reading your statement thinking WTF?

More clarification please.

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Originally Posted by blueeyes

I am reading your statement thinking WTF?

More clarification please.

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:roflol::roflol::roflol: Don't read mine, read his!

I did read his statement. I understand what he is saying.

I don't understand what you are getting at. But that is okay.

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Never mind...might be a little too close to Dennis Miller territory with that one.

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Originally Posted by Sombeech

Look at the CDC website, which again is NOT being mentioned at this time, I'd think the pandemic is just about over.

Remember, a small, just a teeny weeny fact, the numbers have ALWAYS been Covid OR flu OR pneumonia. These numbers we've been hearing have NEVER been just about Covid. Just a small point of interest.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm

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No conspiracy here, just straight from CDC. It's Covid or Flu or Pneumonia.

They do not have a chart for only Covid deaths, unless I'm missing it.

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Originally Posted by Sombeech

No conspiracy here, just straight from CDC. It's Covid or Flu or Pneumonia.

They do not have a chart for only Covid deaths, unless I'm missing it.

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Select the measure.

You can separate the numbers by COVID-19 or by Total deaths which add flu and pneumonia with COVID-19

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Just the COVID numbers

Here is where you select the measure

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Numbers with all three COVID-19, Flu, and pneumonia

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Originally Posted by rockgremlin

Good discussion about masks. As y'all are aware, I'm a BIG skeptic when it comes to masks (as my sig indicates). But I had a conversation with a co-worker today who made it clear that masks were never intended to protect you from the virus -- they're intended to protect others. If you're infected, your breath expels billions, maybe trillions of Covid particles suspended in droplets. A mask won't catch them all, but it will stop about 75 - 80% of all infected particles, which is significant.

I couldn't refute that.

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i mentioned this multiple times before including asking you a question that you never responded to.



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Originally Posted by rockgremlin

^^^THIS^^^


I'd say about 99.8% of all masks worn by the general public are not going to do anything because they're either worn wrong, or recycled one too many times, or the fabric is too porous. Or all three.

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Originally Posted by stefan

just to understand, you don't believe that a face mask can reduce the spreading of respiratory droplets into the air from a person who has the virus (maybe unknowingly) which is a main way the coronavirus is transmitted?

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i mentioned this multiple times before including asking you a question that you never responded to.

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I think this will go down as another example of the inefficiency of communicating via messages on the internet versus speaking face to face.

I know you had mentioned the droplet issue, but I didn't find that very compelling because my previous line of reasoning was this: OK, so the virus laden droplet lands on your mask, and then what? It dies? No -- what happens next is you suck it down your throat on your next series of breaths. So what's the point?

But my co-worker conceded that masks were never designed to be 100% effective -- they were only meant to cut down on the number of virus droplets that one respires into the air. And study after study has shown that they do reduce the virus load that infected folks release. Fair enough. I'm willing to accept that.

Does this mean I have to change my sig now?

Rock on, Red Rocker. :rockon::rockit:


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“We have to save the world and this country from this economic thing that’s going to kill more people in the long run,” he explained. “I would rather see everyone go back to work.”

“If some of us have to sacrifice on that, OK,” he added. “I will die for my children and my grandchildren to have a life anywhere close to the life that I had in this wonderful country. That’s just the way that I feel about it. I’m not going to go around spreading the disease. But there may be a time where we have to sacrifice. I mean, how many people die on the Earth every day? I have no idea.”


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