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Originally Posted by Iceaxe
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Now that there would be hours of entertainment. A little trashy, but that's OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
I have a weakness for redneck girls, probably why I married one...Quote:
Originally Posted by twotimer
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Boom!!!
George Washington Plaque Honoring First President Must Come Down.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/10/2...must-come-down
And just when you think you've heard it all from the bat shit crazy left... now they want to ban our "racist" National Anthem.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/07...al-anthem.html
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Originally Posted by FoxNews
Can someone explain to me exactly how the Star Spangled Banner is "the most racist, pro-slavery song in the American Lexicon"?! For hell's sakes, wasn't it written about the American Revolutionary War?
That's a serious question. I really would like to hear someone make a rational argument that purports the National Anthem is a "pro-slavery" song.
I'm all ears.
Nope. War of 1812.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
And where is that band who so vauntingly sworeQuote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
FSK was pro-slavery. Folks think the third verse was celebrating killed slaves who joined the British cause.
As Brian said, it was the war of 1812. Francis Scott Key wasn't even born until 1779.Quote:
For hell's sakes, wasn't it written about the American Revolutionary War?
To be fair though, no one, or at least almost no one sings that verse. Most people don't even know it exist and they wouldn't unless the issue was brought up. Is there anyone at all that sings the verse in question? I have only seen it on paper in historical context and have never heard it sung.Quote:
Folks think the third verse was celebrating killed slaves who joined the British cause.
Most books I am familiar with have long purged that verse from the lyrics. For example, here is the LDS hymnbook:
https://www.lds.org/music/library/hy...=por&clang=eng
Lyrics
- 1. Oh say, can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets’ red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof thru the night that our flag was still there.
Oh say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?- 2. On the shore, dimly seen thru the mists of the deep,
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream;
’Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh, long may it wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!- 3. Oh, thus be it ever, when free men shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war’s desolation!
Blest with vict’ry and peace, may the heav’n-rescued land
Praise the Pow’r that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: “In God is our trust!”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
^^^
Kinda looks like the version the US went to during WWI. Allied with the redcoats, we didn't want that third verse to bum them out, apparently.
Yeah, you never hear the third verse.
Interesting history especially of how armies were populated. Paid mercenaries and former slaves hoping to get a crack at their former masters. Probably an effective propaganda tool.
Thanks Scott & Brian...
I think I fall into the broad spectrum of mainstream America who has absolutely no idea there's a racist third verse to the National Anthem.
I don't think its that black and white (ahem, so to speak).Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
There's verbiage in there about "freemen" and it was known that free slaves fought for the US.
Its hard to know FSK's intent. And, given the times, nothing can be more frightening than your property (a slave) joining a foreign force and taking up arms against you. They'd be a pretty motivated force, methinks. Again, effective propaganda tool for both sides.
So...I dunno. Sure part of the history of the day. I don't really understand the call to have it removed (and am not for that). Song gives me goosebumps. Best version? Hard to beat Whitney Houston's version of it. Jennifer Hudson has a set of pipes for it too. Kind of ironic when you think about it...
FWIW - during the war of 1812 slaves were promised freedom if they fought for the British. More than 4000 slaves were freed under this program, which was the largest emancipation of slaves until the Civil War. Mercenaries (hireling) were also a large part of the British forces. I believe the destruction of those two groups are who FSK was referencing in the third verse, your mileage may vary.
So.... now my question.... the African-American have their panties in a bunch over this one sentence... but the entire song is really about kicking British ass... so why don't those of English descent have their panties in a wad?
Enquiring minds want to know?
The solution seems simple. Francis Scott Key intended to write a poem rather than the National Anthem. No one sings the original 3rd verse anyway. Just declare the other versus the National Anthem.
The vast majority of the Americans that known the National Anthem know and sing the first verse only.
In my entire life, the only time I have ever heard or sang any versus of the National Anthem other than the first was in church and we never sang the original 3rd verse. The original 3rd verse has already been voluntarily purged from lyrics sheets and song books anyway and has been for several decades.
Before it all of the sudden became an issue, unless you were a history buff, relatively few people in modern days knew the third verse even existed.
Ironically, the tune is from England.Quote:
so why don't those of English descent have their panties in a wad?
Even better it was a drinking song....Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
The song was written for the Anacreontic Society around 1771. The tune is now thought to have been written "collectively" by members of the society. The society met every two weeks to get drunk, sing songs and to indulge in debauchery. Anacreon himself was a Greek poet from about 570BC who was noted for his erotic poetry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydAIdVKv84g
Yes, and for those who enjoy history, the last line of each six verses is about getting laid.Quote:
Even better it was a drinking song....
The song was written for the Anacreontic Society around 1771. The tune is now thought to have been written "collectively" by members of the society. The society met every two weeks to get drunk, sing songs and to indulge in debauchery. Anacreon himself was a Greek poet from about 570BC who was noted for his erotic poetry
It's too bad school textbooks sometimes don't make history interesting. It is when you get down into it, especially with little details such as the tune from the National Anthem coming from an English drinking song that was also about getting laid. These kinds of things need to be in the textbooks, so kids and adults are more interested in history.
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
???:ne_nau:
Shane and I were referring to the Anecreon song (drinking song with sexual innuendo) from where the tune from the national anthem comes from. The last line of each verse in the Ancreon song is as follows:Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
"The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."
I spent three days in Georgia (the US State) and northern Florida a few weeks ago. They were all very polite but were utterly convinced that they would NOT see their Confederate statues and flags taken down. (The expression "over my dead body" was used several times).
As a foreigner (not an alien :haha:), I don't understand the history fully, but as a European, I see some similarities with what happened in the 1920s and 1930s in Europe. And the modern fad of trying to "delete" history.
Rob
There are a few Confederate Flags I'd love to see removed..... :roflol:
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^^^ Local forum creeper posts image of woman in need of mechanic creeper.
Seriously, can't get too much done on a bath towel spread out over the lawn.
And just when you think you've heard everything.... Boom!
University professor says math is racist and promotes white privledge.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/24...ssor-says.html
Wow. That's some serious stretching there. It's a good thing that we're all paying so much money for a higher education so that we can be taught be people like her. She must really hate her job and if she has any principles left in her body, she should quit today rather than perpetuate all that whiteness through math.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
More insanity from the liberal left....
Yoga contributes to white supremacy.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/29...or-claims.html
Jeez. That's stretching there. Just goes to show that some folks just wake up in the morning looking for a reason to be upset about something. Talk about a waste of time and energy.
We need to make sure Yoga pants stayQuote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Speaking of stretching, please see my point made aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by devo_stevo
If I ever meet the guy that invented yoga pants I'm going to give him a big kiss right on the lips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
Yeah, did you notice how all the libtard fake news media outlets picked up on those stories?Quote:
Originally Posted by devo_stevo
Me neither. Glad Fox is on it, though. Got to keep the base riled up. Beats having them focus on real issues.
And...ditto on "active wear". Whew...amazing how the dress codes have changed...
Yes, I did notice that. I do find it interesting that all these stories like that seem to only appear on Fox News.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
As for the pants, that's a double edged sword. I've seen those pants stretch a little too much far too often.
so are you suggesting regulations on yoga pants?:naughty:Quote:
Originally Posted by devo_stevo
I would defend your right to wear yoga pants, but what about my rights not to see you in yoga pants? Where do your rights end and mine begin?Quote:
Originally Posted by oldno7
Yeah...its like, you should be offended because liberals told you to be offended.Quote:
Originally Posted by devo_stevo
(Insert sound the Gen'l Lee makes when its jumping a creek...the tune Dixie I think).
As far a yoga pants...you gots to take the bad with the good...
I've probably made some decisions I wouldn't have normally made due to the advent of yoga pants as acceptable wear over the last few years. Then again.... you only live once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
That's it; I'm wearing yoga pants to the next canyoneering gathering.
Oh you dirty DevilQuote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
Looks like I'm attending the next canyoneering gatheringQuote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
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Originally Posted by Sombeech
Bring your wig and cucumber. Maybe I'll bust out the speedo again...
The insanity (stupidity) continues... California high school bans national anthem because it's racist.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/...what-heck.html
https://i.imgur.com/xV3sl.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe