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Just the first 4 years of high school. :haha:
I'm bringing a friend. His name is Josh and he said he would join Bogley soon.
He is hoping to join me in Jaxx's group for Pine Creek on Sunday (PM sent to Jaxx). For Saturday he hopes to join AJ or some other group for a canyon, if nothing is available he's good just hiking around Zion for the day.
He is my main hiking partner, has his own gear and previous canyon experience (was with me in April for Knotted Rope and Quandary; see earlier trip report thread).
Also, we are planning to camp, not sure where yet, likely Smiths Mesa (might need directions).
Dang your good Tanya!!! :nod: :hail2thechief:
It's the Miss's. Ya can't go wrong that way!Quote:
Originally Posted by ratagonia
OK - I have to bow out on Sunday for the Subway. So hopefully someone else can take my place and enjoy the canyon. I will be there for sure on Saturday so please keep me on that list!
Thanks -
Lin
I know that Echo Canyon will play a part in the upcoming Noobfest, and I read this excerpt from Ram on Canyons Group. Whoever is planning on descending Echo you may want to read this and consider what you may encounter?
Bo
"Rams Report"
The worst I have ever seen. Rather than the 2, 75 yard sections of
snow and ice, most of the distance from the final rap to near the
right turn out of the slot has deep snow. Understand, I seek these
conditions out and have done so religiously for the few times each
decade it occurs in Echo, but this is a very different animal.
Equipped with ax and entering from the bottom, Mr. Brejcha and I
encountered suspended blocks of snow weighing a ton or more. We
encountered tunnels, squeezed off to nothing. Moots, melted out under
snowfields with drops of up to 50 feet. Snow bridges melted out to a
foot thick, 60 feet above the canyon floor. Ribbons of snow climbing
at 45 degree angles. When you get up on the snowfields on top, you are
BLIND to the moots and thin bridges below you!! Because of the volume
of snow that accumulated this winter, the dangers of the melt out,
never trivial, is way more dangerous than I have ever seen in there.
BY FAR!!
It is my understanding that 2 groups had to be rescued out of there
last week. You enter at the top, do the short raps, pull your ropes
and BANG!! Your in it deep!! If you must poke around (and it is
amazing), enter from the bottom ONLY, wander around and look. If you
must probe, an ax is a must. Careful!
We chopped a lot of snow, from between walls and fields, then squeezed
thru, to avoid the dangerous tops of snow. It was the 2nd of those
recent hot days. Tuesday last, I believe. Made it into the mid 90's.
The air temp in there was 40. The water was colder. The rock was wet,
slimy, grimy and a friction free zone.
It is melting out pretty fast, but it still will be there for weeks to
come. It may be safer after awhile. In the meantime, I recommend
nothing more than a trip up from the BOTTOM only for a peek. Pictures
to come soon.
Ram
Thinking of doing a break off group on Sunday for something other than Pine, Keyhole, or echo. I still want to keep it simple so that newbies can come. I was thinking Rock, Red Cave, or maybe something else. Any interest? Any requests?
I would really love to do another canyon on Sunday. I was going to do the main 24 route with Tanya and Shane and others. But my issue is time. I have a 7 hour drive home. If I was able to do a canyon (easy one) on Sunday and able to be on the road back home around noon or 1, I'd be ok with one. I'm not asking you to arrange around my schedule by any means. But if you came up with something if we started early in the AM......I'd be interested. :2thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by nelsonccc
Pine or Keyhole are your shortest routes. I don't think anyone wants to hang out in Zion on Sunday. A lot of us are from SLC, which is a good 5-6 hours drive depending on the traffic. I personally going to take off around 1pm as well.
My wife is coming back from a 3 week vacation on Sunday at 4pm and I am going to miss picking her up, so I will be in trouble as it is....oops! :eek2:
Yuppers and I think that's what we are doing on Saturday. Pine and Keyhole.....So I may just pass up then and have a good breakfast, hang out with you guys and then head back around noon. Or if there is a really nice local hike which I am sure of, maybe I'll arrange to do something like that early morning. :2thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex
Yea if you were my husband, you'd be in trouble too. HAHA!! Get your arse HOME. :haha:
hehe then I am lucky I am not! :haha:
Na she was cool about it. My mom is picking her up, I will have to make up for it that night :naughty:
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Originally Posted by Alex
After three weeks!! you better be making it up........hehe!! :naughty: :lol8: So maybe those of us that aren't doing a bigger canyon on Sunday can go take a shorter local hike? Just a thought.
Or maybe I'm way off? But I thought doing the Sunday canyons would consume a large part of the day? That's why I took my name off.
OH well, such is life.
So I guess echo might not be doable for the trip? :ne_nau:
abirken
sounds like Yankee would be a good canyon for sunday, just off of I-15 in silver reef.
Just remember......it's "in" not "on" :lol8:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex
:five:
:roflol:Quote:
Originally Posted by savanna3313
Savanna......you crack me up. :lol8:
Hmm, now you are giving me some ideas :naughty:Quote:
Originally Posted by savanna3313
Ram posted a link of pic in the Yahoo group. Since we might be doing Echo in a couple weeks might be a good idea to look at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo_Beck
http://picasaweb.google.com/aramv14/EchoCanyon
Hey sorry guys, I thought I was clear, J-ROB and I are out for Sunday, I'm sorry I didn't know we were on the list for Sunday until now, sorry.
Ummmmmmmm...I'd like to address the elephant sitting in our living room called "snow-choked Echo Canyon."
We ought to have a good backup canyon in the plans for if this one is still in bad shape.
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Originally Posted by trackrunner
Thanks for the recommendation. :2thumbs:
It feels like everyone is away at the moment.........Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
:popcorn:
Frankly, I haven't had much chance to put a ton of thought into the canyons I want to do that weekend (as I just got back from a wonderful 3+ days of hiking and climbing in Sedona and the surrounding area), so I think I'll let the peak-hungry side of me take charge...
-Tentatively, I'm planning on Cable Mtn w/Hidden Canyon descent on June 7, and Mystery (assuming it's open and ready for business - I haven't been paying attention and don't know) with a peak ascent beforehand on June 8. If folks don't wanna do the peak on Sunday, that's fine - we can arrange a meet time on the trail near the head of the Death Gully.
CP
Maybe Rock? Red Cave? I'll haul a bunch down either.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
If Echo is a no go, I'd love to do Rock. Red Cave looks cool too. But will the sand be too deep for Rock.Quote:
Originally Posted by nelsonccc
Nelson, Rock, Track, Anyone....
I think we might try and sratch Echo.... so if someone has anther plan for Sunday let us know so we can adjust a few things... mostly we need a place to move a few people as we only have 18 permits without Echo...
:popcorn:
Since we Adam and I were bumped from the original list for Sunday, keep us off of it, Shane. I better play safe and get home before my wife flies in, to get some brownie points :crackit:
I'm down for Red Cave. I've never done it, and I've done Subway a bazillion times...Quote:
Originally Posted by nelsonccc
If that's cool with you Nelson, then let's plan on dragging a bunch of folks down that one. :2thumbs:
Tyson and Tyson's Girlfriend are doing PineCreek with us on Sunday, they aren't on the list on the first page. So we have room for 3 more people to do Pinecreek on Sunday.
[color=white]We have a couple of backup permits for the Sunday during the fest if anyone wants to use them for a break-away group. Let us know. If not we need to turn those back to the park so others can use them.
Alex - Englestead
Red Cave it is. Its only a 4 hour canyon so those that want to get out of Zion early should be able to make it. Sounds like fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
This time of year the sand isnt too bad...yet. We were in there early May last year and I'm not going to lie there were a few times where the old ford was airborne to keep speed. fun for the others riding but a white knuckle drive for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by trackrunner
If doing Red Cave guys (which is one of my all time favorites!) make sure you follow the current directions that I think we all have now. Call Del Tail a few days before so you make sure and catch him. The instruction say to park at the Rock Church, but he will let you drive in. The other way through Mt. Carmel Jct. has private property issues with Sorensen.Quote:
Originally Posted by nelsonccc
Bo's Trail Report
http://www.zionnational-park.com/zion-red-cave.htm
OK, we need everyone to check the sign-up (very first post in this thread).
If your name is not on the 24 for Saturday or the 18 for Sunday you are considered a breakaway group and should ask questions to whomever is in charge of the breakaway.....
Thanks a bunch to Nelson, Rock and friends for organizing Red Cave for Sunday.... if anyone is on the Sunday 18 and would prefer to do Red Cave you need to contact Nelson and remove your name from the 18. Those looking for an early exit from Zion this is probably your best bet.
I plan to split the Saturday 24 into two groups of 12, and the Sunday 18 into a group of 6 and a group of 12 (that's how the permits shake out). So get your last minute adjustments done so we can do the splits.
After splitting the groups I will post meeting places and times....
:cool2:
If I understand because Echo can't be done it is now gone, Shane was on that. Was it replaced with anything else, like the extra Subway & Das Boot? :ne_nau:Quote:
Originally Posted by accadacca
Shane/Tanya, please take me and Adam off Sunday group. We are *marked before, but now back on the list. I want to split early. So if there will be spots at Red Cave, we will join them, if not, we will hike our own and take off early.
Nelson/Rock, I will chat with you guys on Saturday.
I was just reading some Zion history and noticed that the 100th anniversary of Zion becoming a National Monument (then called Mukuntuweap NM) is next year; July 31 1909 - July 31 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Since the 100th anniversary of it becoming a National Park isn't until 2019 it seems like next July 31 would be a perfect time for a ZionFest...
That's even on a Friday! Perfect.
I will be in Zion from June 3rd through June 7th. I will be in a group site in the Watchman Campground with a troop of boy scouts. Please feel free to stop by for a howdy and a cold Mt Dew. I'll be the one who looks like Santa Claus.
See you there.
I've noticed my name is still up for Subway on Sunday. I've requested to take my name off. I'll need to leave early and am thinking about Red Cave after Echo was taken off. I understand both Shane and Tanya have done a ton for this, and with the rush the last thing on their minds was to take my name off the list. I hope someone else can take my spot.
I'm still game for Saturday.
Shaun
Post #1 is updated.
Saturday Morning - Everyone is to meet in the parking lot at the Visitor Center. It will be hard to miss 'Beech and Scott!
I think the meeting time for Saturday is 9am, but I need to check with the boss before I put that up there.
Anyone else want to do Red Cave on Sunday instead of Subway? Red Cave is good for those that want to head home early. It is in Mt. Carmel however instead of Zion -- but Subway is clear up in the Kolob Terrance.
I may be up for Red Cave since I may be heading out that way? How long is the hike?Quote:
Originally Posted by tanya