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Sorry for the bullshit reasoning, but if the shoe fits, wear it. I like hunting for sport, I was raised hunting for fun and you aren't going to change my mind about it. Go bitch about your hangup with sport killing on some other forum, cause you are bitchin at a brick wall here. :blahblah:
Funny you should mention squirrel, even more fun than hitting a jack from 100 yds with a 22-250 is hitting a tree squirrel at the tippy top of a pine with a pellet gun and watching the poor bastard bounce off every branch on the way down. Sure do get my jollies off that stuff!
ah. didn't take long to get to the if you don't like it go somewhere else argument. I guess blood sport isn't the only redneck trait you hold near and dear. well...I guess you right...I will go...wait...naw f it....you don't like me telling you that you're a moron, why don't YOU go somewhere else. or better yet, stay, I have years of talking trash on forums under my belt, might as well use it.
oh, and on the behalf of brick walls everywhere - don't lump them in...
I think I have established the fact that I could care less what you call me. It doesn't hurt my feelings. What I don't understand is why people who don't like hunting or blood sport venture into a hunting forum/bunny blasting slaughter thread and are appalled by what they see. You had to know that you would get pissed by Beech's video of bunnies getting annihilated, so why watch and then bitch about it. If it is, as you say, to talk trash and call people morons and twisted, then you guys seriously need to get a life.
let's make it clear, in case you are still not getting it. I am all for hunting. This is not hunting we are debating. I'm not for killing things for no good reason.
What can I say, I have always been the kid with the stick poking the hornet's nest.
Not really - again, I'm not going to eat the hornets, so I probably would just leave them alone
Not to talk trash Reed. For me, it's because I assume there are a lot of people who read forums who don't post, and if there are those who sit on the fence on such issues, it's good for them to hear both sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reedus
Out of curiosity, what makes some animals okay to shoot for blood sport, but not others?
Every animal I have ever hunted is for blood sport. I don't go deer hunting because my family is starving, I go for the thrill of the hunt. I happen to eat the deer cause it makes good venison and jerky. Same with cottontails, they make awesome jerky if you prep them the right way. Jacks on the other hand are known carriers of disease. They go through breeding cycles ever 7 or so years where the population explodes and they cause problems with farmers and such. I actually have tried to jerky a jack and well... lets just say i won't try it again. So to answer your question on what is okay and what is not okay. For me it is legality. Jacks are open game.
Question for you: at what point down the line of animals do you draw the line in killing? For most people, a mouse is a no brainer as well as insects. Why, because they are considered rodents and pests. How about fishing? Do you back the state in removing all the carp from Utah lake? They fit the nuisance ticket as well. I say if you are going to shun the killing of nuisance jacks, then by the same ticket you have to shun the taking of any other animal life deemed nuisance.
Excellent questions Reed. I guess one line is obviously drawn at what is open game and what is not. When I go fishing, I do practice catch and release. In fact, I don't use any form of bait other than lures and artificial flies. I only take a fish if I am going to eat it, and I usually only take a fish if it is mortally wounded. But yeah, I see your point. Fishing just to catch a fish, and then release it, probably crosses a line somewhere. But going out to the river, catching some fish, and then just throwing them on the bank to watch the squirm? Not my cup o' tea.
In regards to the carp at Utah lake, I'm sure there are a few people who enjoying killing them. Again, I'm not one of them. At least, not the type who likes to kill them, then just leave their carcases rotting on the ground. I do hope to see them removed from the lake. The state of Utah does manage the carp, and when the fish are killed, they are used for other things, like fertilizer and fishfood. They don't just let the dead animals rot away somewhere.
Even within the hunting community, there are those who are very respectful of the animals they harvest. I'm sure there are those who are complete asses. Hunting is a valuable exercise. There is much to be learned from hunting with respect. It sustained many our ancestors for a long time, and when done properly, I have no issues with it. My issue is with the celebration of nonsensical killing. I have no doubt this type of killing is a gateway to other ignorant misdeeds.
The line is very easy to discern. Be respectful. Minimize your impact. If you are gong to harvest an animal, do it with respect. My personal feeling is this reflects on one's personality. If you are disrespectful to land and property, animals and inanimate objects, perhaps you are disrespectful to everything. Do you hold anything in reverence?
So you are saying that you would have no qualms about bunny blasting provided I loaded all the carcases up, took them home, and ran them through the wood chipper to fertilize the garden? As far as food, they do make it alot easier on the coyotes when the buffet is provided for them.
Like I said before, I don't really have an opinion on the bunnies. I do have an opinion on being respectful though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reedus
And aren't coyotes open game too? Why would we want to do them any favors? I don't think we need to do any wildlife any favors, in terms of providing them free food. They are wild, afterall.
Good rabbit hunting one year (in terms of leaving rotting carcasses where they lie) means good coyote hunting the next. Big vicious reprehensible cycle.
considered rodents? they ARE rodents ... mice, that is, ... they are part of the Order of mammals Rodentia with "rodent" being a common name. (note: dent in this case refers to tooth, as they are gnawing mammals)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reedus
now, beavers are also rodents ... would killin' a beaver be a no brainer?
is it more that they are small mammals that folks in general have no issues?
i don't have anything really to add to the thread, so i am piping in with this, but i will say it's an interesting read.
I think one of the issues that is overlooked here is just what reed said. These rabbits don't just lie there and rot away. They are eaten by the local wildlife that eat meat. Coyotes, insects, fox, ground squirrels, & even other jacks will come in and eat what they need to survive. From that aspect, population control not only helps the farmers and ranchers, but it also helps the local wildlife populations. There's less competition for food/territory and it makes it easier for the young of the year predators to survive the winter.
And by the by, I'm REALLY lookin forward to getting out there for some jack hunting with the new AR. :twisted: :2thumbs: :nod:
yes. I'm sure that taking care of coyotes, fox and ground squirrels is high on your list of concerns. too bad most insects are a little too small to be a target for you guys. guess you better hold on for the hummingbird moth migration.
I was hoping to see a new one :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
I understand where you're coming from Reed :2thumbs:
OK, kiddo, you blew it right here with the "culture" excuse. Admit it gives you a woodie to blast rabbits with no intent to eat them, fine. But calling it "culture" is the same as Michael Vick trying to excuse dogfighting as culture. Same as the trash around the Shenandoah Valley that calls cockfighting "cultural." Same as the West VA uncle that calls diddling his 13-year-old niece "culture."Quote:
Originally Posted by Reedus
Urban redneck wannabes are very irritating to those of us who really have lived the backwoods lifestyle.
Kill it? EAT it!
Not always :mrgreen: Coyotes need to eat too :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rev. Coyote
JP -- Yes, my people need to eat. But we like to run 'em down live.Quote:
Originally Posted by JP
okay, sounds like two angles here. (1) you're trying to engineer ecology here and (2) you're trying to justify leaving carcass by helping out those in need.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutpiler_Utahn
i know hunting has stood behind a shroud of population control for ages, and the engineering experiment has been on-going for some time. while i have my reservations about this, i guess it's your other angle i just don't buy. though the context and location is different, it simply boils down to "feeding the animals." while the affects are clearly devastating in parks where animals become very dependent on humans for food, i would expect that to a smaller, though not inconsequential extent something similar is going on with your leaving carcass.
i guess the question is, why is it reasonable for us to help some of the population survive and get stronger? altruism, engineering, or rationalization for carelessness.
my feeling is that our society has so meddled with these populations that folks have bought into the ecological engineering and, moreover, that some are willing to take it a few steps further to justify feeding the animals ... with the motives not being altruistic.
while the population-control meddling has deep roots which would take a long time to extract, i would think this type of feeding-the-animals meddling might be going too far.
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Originally Posted by Rev. Coyote
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Your discrimination of Wildlife amuses me. :roflol: