Hatch: 'Greedy energy tycoons' not behind Bears Ears reduction
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Hatch: 'Greedy energy tycoons' not behind Bears Ears reduction
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46272679&nid=960
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Originally Posted by Iceaxe
hatch clearly has trouble reading the NYT article
It will be a great road, a big beautiful road, a road Americans can be proud of.
This should really get the liberals panties in a bunch.... The Trump National Parks Highway will run right through the center of what was Bears Ears NM.
Utah one step closer to becoming home of Trump National Highway
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46274188&nid=960
These bumpkins are slipping... Shouldn't they first name the Highway "Obama National Parks Highway" then reverse it and rename it "Trump National Parks Highway". Same road and same functionality, different name so its better. I'm here to help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
If naming it the Trump Highway keeps fewer people from gang banging the place, that'll work fine with me.
I think there should be a big beautiful wall, with a big beautiful gate, built at both ends of the highway to keep the Subaru's out.Quote:
Originally Posted by twotimer
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HA!...I don't mind the Subaru's that much, they've been around forever. It's all those big RV's and campers. I've noticed a lot more of them parked there and about in Cedar Mesa and I'd like it not to turn into the east end of the swell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
I guess I just miss the "wild" feeling it had 25 years ago.
I've agreed with TwoTimer a few times...Quote:
Originally Posted by twotimer
This could be the dumbest thing IxeAce has ever said. I drove a Suby waaaaay before I turned into a Lesbian. At least Suburu owners get out and Dog's drive their cars in commercials.
Suburu's > RV's
I'm with you 2Timer... 27 years ago I went to the Swell for the first time. I saw like 10 cars over 3 days.... I was in college (from California) and about 2 days in I decided I'd never leave Utah. I miss those days as well.
I totally agree
Subaru > RV
But that's still like bragging about being the best reader in the dumb reading group.
ROFLMAO
Haha, I totally agree, I've noticed you read reeel good!Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/13/glob...-point-31.htmlQuote:
PRESS RELEASE:
Acquisition of Colt Mesa Copper-Cobalt Property, Utah,
Surface Grab Samples Return 0.88% Copper and 2.31% Cobalt
VANCOUVER, British Columbia, June 13, 2018 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Glacier Lake Resources Inc. (TSXV:GLI) – (“Glacier” or the “Company”) is pleased to announce the acquisition of the “Colt Mesa” copper-cobalt property in Garfield County, southcentral Utah. The property is readily accessible by gravel roads from Boulder, the closest community with services and support. Key takeaways:
- Property covers the past producing Colt Mesa mine, a copper deposit with associated cobalt, zinc, nickel and molybdenum mineralization.
- Area recently became open for staking and exploration after a 21 year period moratorium, due to the reduction of the “Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument” by President Trump in December 2017.
“The Colt Mesa acquisition broadens our focus on sedimentary hosted copper deposits, with a significant bonus of cobalt and nickel mineralization indicated. There is strong investor interest in the “Battery Metals” sector, including cobalt, nickel and copper. With this new interest coupled with the growth of the EV sector and strong demand for cobalt, the Colt Mesa project is a welcome addition to the Company’s ever growing portfolio of projects,” says Saf Dhillon, president and chief executive officer.
“Surface exploration work will start this summer on the Colt Mesa property and drill permitting will be initiated shortly.”
^^^Earth First! We'll mine the other planets later.
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I wouldn't be too concerned with this. They're just boosting their portfolio to get more investors. It's a rather common trick that junior mining companies do to gain support (sell more shares of their stock). These rarely take off into the realm of production.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefan
But I'll ask around about it for sure. :2thumbs:
I'll cruise down there this winter and see if it's getting tore up. We used to drive all the way to just before Moody Canyon to access the Waterpocket Fold during backpacking trips. Nice and lonely down there.
Anybody know if this site is south of Choprock?
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Originally Posted by stefan
OK, I did some digging (pun intended, haha). Glacier Lake Resources investors should probably change the channel at this point because they're not going to like what I have to say from here on...
As I suspected, Glacier Lake Resources is a Canadian junior mining company. Canadian juniors are notorious for drumming up support for their stock, making sensational claims about their fabulously rich mining projects scattered all over the globe. Much of the time their claims are unsubstantiated, or published with very little technical analysis or review. But hey -- these press reports are directed towards investors -- investment bankers and folks who are mostly ignorant about mining but have a lot of money to invest. As is the case with their "Colt Mesa" project in southern Utah. Here's why we won't see anybody developing this project much beyond their flimsy press release:
1. In the first place, they haven't even secured permits with the regulatory agency within the State of Utah. That's strike one...and that's a BIG strike. Without permits, no mining activity may commence -- not even exploration work may be accomplished.
2. In the second place, they are publishing Copper, Zinc, and Cobalt sampling values from surface grab samples. For those unfamiliar with mining, basically what they did was pay some high priced geologist to go pick up pretty rocks out of the old mine dump and scattered about the mine entrance and send them off to the lab for analysis. Well, of course the lab results are going to return favorable -- their geologist cherry picked the flashiest and most attractive rocks he could find to send for analysis. It probably would've looked a lot less attractive if he'd have put a blindfold on just prior to "sampling", but hey that wouldn't have yielded as promising a press release. I worked for 2 years for a copper mining Canadian junior in southern Utah, and I've seen the way this game is played. We did the exact same thing there too -- sample pretty rocks we found on the surface and then publish the results to eager investors. It happens all the time.
And if this deposit is anything like all of the other sediment hosted copper deposits in southern Utah (Copper Ridge, Fry Canyon, Lisbon Valley, Copper Globe), it is a very small vein or lode type deposit that is controlled by bedding planes and faults. So the mineralization is confined to a very small space, and is therefore NOT amenable to large scale mining. Not even the old timers were able to make much of the deposit because it was so small. Sure the grades may have been high, but the volume just isn't there, so it isn't profitable to mine.
3. Lastly, with the location of the potential mine being sandwiched between Capitol Reef and Grand Staircase National Monument, they would be fools to try and pursue mining here. The public backlash would be enormous, and they'd be fighting off environmentalists at every turn.
Short answer: Don't fret. Nobody is going to be opening up any new mine in southern Utah anytime soon...
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Originally Posted by rockgremlin
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Originally Posted by nelsonccc
Take me out to dinner at the Bellagio Buffet and a night of gambling and then we'll see. I don't kiss on the first date...
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Originally Posted by rockgremlin
There you go again... letting facts get in the way of liberal hysteria and fear mongering...
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Rock 'n Roll, Rockgremlin. I'll visit that place this winter anyway...take a picture for giggles.
Take some samples at the old mine dump while you're there. There's some pretty good looking samples of copper ore around there - at least that's what their geologist claims, haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by twotimer
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...375_story.htmlQuote:
Accidentally released emails show Trump officials dismissed benefits of protected public land
Washington Post
In a quest to shrink national monuments last year, senior Interior Department officials dismissed evidence these public lands boosted tourism and spurred archaeological discoveries, according to documents the department released this month and retracted a day later.
The thousands of pages of email correspondence chart how Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke and his aides instead tailored their survey of protected sites to emphasize the value of logging, ranching and energy development that would be unlocked if they were not designated as national monuments.
Comments the department’s Freedom of Information Act officers made in the documents show they sought to keep some of the references out of public view because they were “revealing [the] strategy” behind the review.
Presidents can establish national monuments in federal land or waters if they determine cultural, historical or natural resources are imperiled. In April, President Trump signed an executive order instructing Zinke to review 27 national monuments established over a period of 21 years, arguing his predecessors had overstepped their authority in placing these large sites off-limits to development.
The new documents show that as Zinke conducted his four-month review, Interior officials rejected material that would justify keeping protections in place and sought out evidence that could buttress the case for unraveling them.
On July 3, 2017, Bureau of Land Management official Nikki Moore wrote colleagues about five draft economic reports on sites under scrutiny, noting there is a paragraph within each on “our ability to estimate the value of energy and/or minerals forgone as a result of the designations.” That reference was redacted on the grounds it could “reveal strategy about the [national monument] review process.”
These redactions came to light because Interior’s FOIA office sent out a batch of documents to journalists and advocacy groups on July 16 it later removed online.
“It appears that we inadvertently posted an incorrect version of the files for the most recent National Monuments production,” officials wrote July 17. “We are requesting that if you downloaded the files already to please delete those versions.”
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The inadvertently released documents show department officials dismissed some evidence that contradicted the administration’s push to revise national monument designations, which are made under the 1906 American Antiquities Act. Estimates of increased tourism revenue, analyses that existing restrictions had not hurt fishing operators and agency reports that less vandalism occurred as a result of monument designations were all set aside.
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Department officials also redacted the BLM’s assessment that “it is unlikely” that the Obama administration’s establishment of the 1.3 million-acre Bears Ears National Monument “has impacted timber production” because those activities were permitted to continue.
In response to questions about Grand Staircase-Escalante, BLM wrote that “less inventory” of cultural sites would have occurred without the 1996 monument designation, noting more than twice as many sites are now identified each year than before. “More vandalism would have occurred without Monument designation,” it states, noting four visitors centers were established to help protect the area.
P. David Polly, the president of the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology and a professor of sedimentary geology at Indiana University, said in an interview “there’s specific funding that comes” with a monument designation, which BLM itself identified in its submission as one of the reasons behind the “increase” in archaeological finds.
Polly added the funding also accounts for why the number of paleontological finds in Grand Staircase-Escalante has risen from a few hundred before 1996 to “several thousand.”
“This funding will disappear for the areas that are no longer in the monument,” he said.
Agencies typically incorporate material submitted through public comments into their regulatory proposals, but documents released under the FOIA earlier this year show Bowman told colleagues in a May 2017 webcast “barring a surprise, there is no new information that’s going to be submitted” through the public comment process on the monuments review.
Polly said the new documents show how Interior officials disregarded the material they gathered during the comment period. “They knew all of these things and went ahead and cut them anyway,” he said.
Secretary Zinke to speak at Days of '47 Rodeo
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46365217&nid=968
Oh yeah...they discovered the ruins, alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefan
Let's take Coyote Gulch. When I first visited it in '92, they were still running cattle in there and the ruins up in the alcove were rough, but had some shape to them. Now they're just a pile of rocks. Last time I was there in '13, two chicks were up there trippin' on mushrooms.
Somebody has dug holes at the alcove in Fold. Neon is getting gang-banged. I wonder if anyone has taken an extension ladder to get to the high ones a bit up the river?
Making it a Nat. Monument just lit it up with a spotlight, IMO. Backcountry ruins don't hold up well when they've got a bunch of people all over them. Enough unethical ones picking the sites clean and leaving trash.
Cat's outta the bag now.
I'd like to think I get outdoors here and there, I get outdoors a couple of times a week, and travel out maybe every month. I never EVER heard anything about Bears Ears Monument, or where the hell it was until all of this "protection" came about. And ya know what? Neither did 95% of everybody else in Utah, and 99.99997% of everybody else in the country. But now they do.
So now there are those who will never set foot in the area that are convinced the oil rigs are lined up down the highway with fat greasy guys driving in white sweaty tank tops with calendars featuring pin up girls hanging in the cabs of their trucks, eating subway sandwiches longer than this run on sentence.
And then there are those who will visit the area ONLY because they want to virtue signal to all of social media that these lands are precious and they wouldn't be able to carry on with life when the Mormon Republicans come and knock down the hoodoos, although they've never had any interest in visiting prior to the politicization of the area.
And then finally the very, VERY few that have visited the area years ago, just for the joy of the outdoors. You know, weirdos. Most of them know it was a huge mistake to bring attention to this area.
Long well written post to call twotimer a wierdo... kudos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
Thank you for articulating everything I was just going to say. All of this nonsense about preserving and protecting the BENM is poppycock. If those who are supposedly trying to protect it would've kept their sanctimonious mouths shut it would've stayed off the radar for decades to come. As it is, the genie is now out of the bottle. And I'll give you ONE guess who let him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
so melodramatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
the "very very few" ... the area in question has been visited for decades by more than "very few." it's not a secret, 'beech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
if you're worried about "attention" i've always been partial to the Wilderness designation which generally doesn't show up on many maps.
harold ickes?Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
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^^^Looks like parts of that proposed Escalante National Monument got converted to the present day Canyonlands + Dead Horse Point + Glen Canyon National Recreation Site.
Interesting they would've proposed a national monument that extensive given that Uranium/Vanadium mining was still pretty prevalent in those areas back then.
also most of capitol reef and the escalante bit of GSENM.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
a little of the interesting early history of two utahns who originally pushed for something in the wayne county part of capitol reef is recounted at the following link on canyon tales
The Fathers of Capitol Reef National Park
http://www.math.utah.edu/~sfolias/ca...aynewonderland
Interesting article on how main stream media sold Bears Ears to the public.
http://www.canyoncountryzephyr.com/2...by-jim-stiles/
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Originally Posted by Iceaxe
CNN = lies on top of lies, on top of lies, on top of more lies. Trump was right to characterize CNN as #Fakenews.
Pretty cool article. I really like the canyon country zephyr. From what I've seen it publishes pretty balanced content. It's not often that you see an ex-board member for SUWA completely lambast the liberal agenda.
I'm going to roll on down there for a camping trip and toss cans out the window...Hayduke style.
Federal agency issues proposals for downsized Utah monuments
By Brady McCombs, Associated Press | Posted Aug 15th, 2018
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — The U.S. government on Wednesday issued proposals for managing two national monuments in Utah that were significantly downsized by President Donald Trump last year, saying its preference for one of the sites would be the "least restrictive to energy and mining development."
https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46376675&ni...utah-monuments
:roll::roll::roll: [sigh] Another ridiculous article about the atrocities of BENM reduction. Most of this article is recycled drivel we've all heard before countless times. The same old narrative -- "The mining and drilling companies are going to ravage our National monuments!"
Before any of this nonsense gets out of control, I'm going to remind everyone that there is almost nothing of mineral value in the original BENM boundaries. Non economical quantities of oil exist is small quantities, and non economical quantities of Uranium exist just outside the boundaries, and there isn't a speck of coal anywhere in the region.
Grand Staircase NM is a different story. There do exist millions of tons of good quality coal in the Grand Staircase National Monument. The vast coal reserves in GSNM could feasibly be exploited, and back in the mid 1990's Andalex was right on the verge of pulling the trigger on opening up a mine in the Kaiparowits to do just that. Even though Clinton's monument designation put a damper on their plans, they still could have gone forward with their plans to open the Smoky Hollow mine. They already damn near had permits in hand from the State of Utah. But they ended up not proceeding with their plans to mine -- mainly because they realized the economics weren't favorable. So if Andalex pulled out of that venture back in the 1990's - the height of coal's prominence - how much less attractive is that venture today? It's just not going to happen anytime soon.
Or maybe ever.
When do we start drilling?!?
Asking for a friend....
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Speaking of coal in the Grand Staircase, here's a video of a natural coal burn. This occurs when a coal seam that is exposed on the surface is ignited by something. In many cases lightning can touch off a coal seam and get a fire started that will propagate underground, sometimes for long distances. Although somewhat shocking to behold, this is a completely natural occurrence, and can burn and smolder on its own beneath the surface for years.
{sigh} What a waste, right? It's almost like Mother Nature is saying "Fine. You don't wanna burn my coal? I'll just burn it myself!"
http://youtu.be/9JxRYC3LL60
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Originally Posted by rockgremlin
How far away from HITR is that?
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Originally Posted by jman
I dunno, it's not my video. I wish I knew though because I'd love to take a trip out there to check this out in person.
That’s great - thanks for the info!Quote:
Originally Posted by oldno7
And interestingly, I didn’t know Zion had a coal seam fire. But apparently out of the 8 active coal seam fires, the Zionz National Bank Park one was the only one the Bureau of Reclamation was able to successfully extinguish.
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