Outdoor Retailer Show Boycott in Utah

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Compromise goes both ways, and this is an honest question, what did the convention agree to give up on, what were they willing to abandon so they could meet in the middle?

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For years the Outdoor Retailer Trade Show agreed to keep the show in Utah as long as Utah didn't always oppose designations of wilderness and monuments. For 20+ years Utah politicians kept telling the show that they will do more to support wildlands, but they seldom did (though admittedly a few token gestures were made). The Outdoor Retailer Trade Show stayed anyway in good faith, despite broken promises.

Concering specific examples of compromise, when Utah politicians were against the Redrocks Bill, for example, the Show still agreed to stay. This was certainly compromise. As far as I know the show never said that they would leave unless 100% of their demands were met.

When the retailers themselves started pulling out of the show or boycotting it, the Show really had little choice. They can't stay in business if a lot of the business that support the show were boycotting it or pulling out. It was an economic decision. Here is a pretty good article explaining why they left:

https://www.outsideonline.com/215593...k-against-utah

Give me a reason not to ghost this place... Dirk deserves better than this.

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Originally Posted by DirkHammergate

Give me a reason not to ghost this place... Dirk deserves better than this.

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Originally Posted by Scott P

For years the Outdoor Retailer Trade Show agreed to keep the show in Utah as long as Utah didn't always oppose designations of wilderness and monuments.

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So they "compromised" by tolerating the political environment of Utah, waiting for them to change their mind?

Compromising means more than just "putting up with somebody else". It means to meet in the middle, not to wait and wait for the opposition to finally agree with you.

I surely hope that's not how they define their compromise, to "continue to do business in Utah". Damn. Each opposing side gives something up, meets in the middle.

"Waiting it out" is not compromising. I hope they have a better example than that when they tell how they compromised for 20+ years.

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Originally Posted by Sombeech

Compromising means more than just "putting up with somebody else". It means to meet in the middle, not to wait and wait for the opposition to finally agree with you.

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Repeat.... Echo Chamber.

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Originally Posted by DirkHammergate

Repeat.... Echo Chamber.

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And you can chat with me on AIM, Hotmail or Yahoo messenger,

The end!

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Each opposing side gives something up, meets in the middle.

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They did try to meet in the middle by accepting much less wildlands protection than they thought was needed. That is giving something up, whether or not it is important to you. It was important to them and to me as well. Just because money wasn't exchanged doesn't mean that something wasn't given up.

If the lawmakers Utah would have met in the middle in years past, it is likely that the show would have stayed. Now days too many people (yes on both sides) want an all or nothing approach.

Well I might not be quiet out just yet. The teenagers want a Estes Large Stromblie with marinara, to Go!! BRB

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Originally Posted by DirkHammergate

Give me a reason not to ghost this place... Dirk deserves better than this.

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What's the matter? Stealing Wi-Fi from the bar next door not working as smoothly as you had hoped?

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Originally Posted by Iceaxe

What's the matter? Stealing Wi-Fi from the bar next door not working as smoothly as you had hoped?

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I wouldn't mind living in those days again. Goofail is underwhelming in the Hood.

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Originally Posted by Sombeech

Yep, if it comes from Colorado or Florida, I'm biking when it gets to me in 2 days from Amazon prime. If I'm a Utah bike parts seller/manufacturer, I'm not moving my shop to Colorado just because the crybabies picked up their event and moved it.

Still kinda waiting to hear how I want to level a monument. Don't get distracted by the shiny object, now.

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Off the top of my head I don't know of any outdoor related company in Utah leaving to go to Colorado based on the stance of Outdoor Retailers Association.

The damage has already be done whether the monuments stay, go or are modified. I wasn't in favor of BENM but the fight for and against has done nothing but bring unwanted attention to a beautiful part of the state. And with the attention comes overuse and overcrowding.

Taking the E bike to St George? It should be a great weekend.

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Originally Posted by middlefork

Taking the E bike to St George? It should be a great weekend.

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I don't own an ebike, but I'll ride one every chance I get just to watch people freak out at the "trail damage"

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Originally Posted by middlefork

.... but the fight for and against has done nothing but bring unwanted attention to a beautiful part of the state. And with the attention comes overuse and overcrowding.

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^^This^^. It's been interesting to be a part of conversations with my Utah friends when they start berating the move to downscale BENM. The question I always ask them is this- before the National Monument designation or before discussions about creating the monument even began, had you ever been there or even heard of the Bears Ear area? I have yet to have even one of them answer "yes". NOT A ONE. And, these are Utah residents. Now, they all want to go there.

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Originally Posted by tallsteve

^^This^^. It's been interesting to be a part of conversations with my Utah friends when they start berating the move to downscale BENM. The question I always ask them is this- before the National Monument designation or before discussions about creating the monument even began, had you ever been there or even heard of the Bears Ear area? I have yet to have even one of them answer "yes". NOT A ONE. And, these are Utah residents. Now, they all want to go there.

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Maybe they haven't heard of it in context with the Bears Ears, but for sure a lot of people have heard of places in the Monument such as Grand Gulch, Black Hole, Fish Creek, Dark Canyon, etc. Those are household names for anyone familiar with hiking in Utah.

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Originally Posted by Scott P

Maybe they haven't heard of it in context with the Bears Ears, but for sure a lot of people have heard of places in the Monument such as Grand Gulch, Black Hole, Fish Creek, Dark Canyon, etc. Those are household names for anyone familiar with hiking in Utah.

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Uh, no. They couldn't tell me anything about what's within the boundary. This has been consistent with 6 or 7 of my far left leaning friends. Granted, outside of only one of them, the others idea of enjoying the great outdoors is walking from their air conditioned condos to their Prius. I'm just saying that most people haven't been there and don't know anything about it. Then when this all came up, it's now life and death.

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Originally Posted by tallsteve

Uh, no. They couldn't tell me anything about what's within the boundary. This has been consistent with 6 or 7 of my far left leaning friends. Granted, outside of only one of them, the others idea of enjoying the great outdoors is walking from their air conditioned condos to their Prius. I'm just saying that most people haven't been there and don't know anything about it. Then when this all came up, it's now life and death.

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Your friends need to get out more.

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Originally Posted by Scott P

Your friends need to get out more.

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Maybe I just need new friends.

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Originally Posted by tallsteve

Uh, no. They couldn't tell me anything about what's within the boundary. This has been consistent with 6 or 7 of my far left leaning friends. Granted, outside of only one of them, the others idea of enjoying the great outdoors is walking from their air conditioned condos to their Prius. I'm just saying that most people haven't been there and don't know anything about it. Then when this all came up, it's now life and death.

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I'll admit to being in that same boat. I had to google around a fair bit to figure out what was in, what wasn't. Its a huge area. And, I'm very familiar with most of it just not what the actual "Bear's Ears" monument actually included.

Sure, its brought attention to it. Maybe take some pressure off of poor over loved Zion...ha ha.

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Originally Posted by middlefork

Off the top of my head I don't know of any outdoor related company in Utah leaving to go to Colorado based on the stance of Outdoor Retailers Association.

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Well...they all are...in terms of attending the OR trade show. It isn't here anymore.

But, yeah, haven't heard of any pulling up manufacturing stakes to move to 'Rado. BD still here. Liberty. Petzl USA. Etc. And, there are plenty of good reasons why.

Just got this email...

“Registration for Summer Market is now open. Join the rest of the outdoor industry at the Colorado Convention Center in Denver, CO from July 23-26, 2018.”

Uh. Nope.

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Originally Posted by accadacca

Just got this email...

“Registration for Summer Market is now open. Join the rest of the outdoor industry at the Colorado Convention Center in Denver, CO from July 23-26, 2018.”

Uh. Nope.

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This is totally self inflicted and to quote a Led Zepplin classic "Nobody's Fault but MINE!"

Half a Billion Dollars -> "Peace Out Utah"

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Originally Posted by DirkHammergate

Half a Billion Dollars -> "Peace Out Utah"

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Not one single dollar went into my pocket, yet I had to put up with the crowds clogging the valley.... It doesn't hurt my feelings in the least to see them go.

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Originally Posted by Iceaxe

Not one single dollar went into my pocket, yet I had to put up with the crowds clogging the valley.... It doesn't hurt my feelings in the least to see them go.

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6 ways to Sunday you just lost not only tax money, services upon millions and services industries. It will come out of your pocket, just like me. This is an absolute brain freeze.

I'm posting a picture of all the money I lost over this.








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Originally Posted by DirkHammergate

6 ways to Sunday you just lost not only tax money, services upon millions and services industries. It will come out of your pocket, just like me. This is an absolute brain freeze.

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I'm not saying others didn't lose out big time, but personally I lost nothing and I feel no sadness in the OR show departing. I honestly wish the tourists (including the OR) would stay far away.

Some of the people that shout "Quit advertising all of Utah's cool outdoor secrets!"

are the very same people saying "Please let's do whatever it takes to keep the Outdoor Retailer Show here!".

I just got a call from the Outdoor Retailer Show asking if I would be attending and if they could help me get registered. I said nope.

They have never called me before and maybe I was registered earlier in previous years.

I wonder what their registration numbers look like since they moved to Denver?