For @Rockgremiln and the Bogley Stoner Club.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ab53bf695c.jpg
Printable View
For @Rockgremiln and the Bogley Stoner Club.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ab53bf695c.jpg
LOL you know what? I hadn't even heard of this event, and if you wouldn't have posted it here I would've just ignored it. But now just to be silly I'm marking my calendar and planning on attending.Quote:
Originally Posted by accadacca
I can "buzz" on down on my lunch break and check out the circus.
Anyone else down? Maybe we can grab something to eat and call it an unofficial Bogley lunch. :lol8:
C'mon who's with me?
Can I attend with an AR-15 slung over my shoulder?
Climb-Utah.com
Sorry, never got around to replying to this. I'm sure we could get into a cyclical "no, you're a name-caller" match, but in the spirit of thanksgiving, I'm going to take the higher road. Just kidding, just kidding. I just think it's lame for everyone to be allowed to have all sorts of different ideas--and to have all sorts of different motivations for their ideas--but as soon as someone's motivation could even hint at being partially religious in nature, they can be instantly attacked and discredited??? It's presumptuous to automatically jump to the conclusion that religion has anything to do with a person's reasoning. And, so what if it does?Quote:
Originally Posted by uintafly
On a sidenote, I was joking about the liberal thing. I agree totally that republicans can be just as bad at mocking and name-calling.
So what is the current status of this, I don't even follow it and I almost don't care. Bogley is my news about the Marijuana in Utah LOL
It's so cute that people think the LDS Church will ever allow marijuana to be sold in Utah. The state legislature and governor have already completely gutted Prop 2.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
This is why you need to come up and picket with me this Monday at the Capitol. :haha:
Truth is, what the legislature is doing is a complete miscarriage of our democratic process -- and I'm predicting that this is FAR from over. We will be seeing lawsuits and litigation for years to come over this.
Oh come on, surely all of the Likes on Facebook about the little girl who has seizures was enough to change everybody's minds.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
I sincerely hope you don't have a family member who ever has medical issues that could be improved by cannabis.
Because boy wouldn't you be in a quandary? On the one hand you wanna do everything you can to improve their quality of life...but on the other you've so completely established yourself at odds with the pro-cannabis agenda.
Whatever would you do?
Doesn't it seem insane that the people can vote in support of a proposition and the all-mighty legislators can just step forward and completely change it? I know that government knows best in all things, but can't the populace occasionally make a bad on our own? I mean if this was California or New York it would make sense, but I always thought Utah believed in personal responsibility and limited government.
It seems to me that if don't like what the legislature does to a proposition you don't go out and vote on a new proposition, you vote for a new legislator. You don't file lawsuits, you file to run for an office. :ne_nau:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Card
Many if not most folks are not qualified to run for office or are unable due to financial or personal reasons. This is one of the reasons why propositions are so popular with the people.
So your solution to not liking the POTUS is to run for POTUS yourself? :ne_nau:
Whatever floats yer boat...
Would that include pursuing some of the dozens of existing remedies for seizures, including the already legal CBD oil?Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
OR the THC side of the coin that does the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
-- Treats neuropathic pain
-- Enhances food intake in HIV patients
-- Treats nausea and/or vomiting in Cancer patients suffering from chemotherapy
Here's the source of those claims: https://www.cancer.org/treatment/tre...nd-cancer.html
Though I doubt you'll click that link because these claims fly in the face of your mantra that Medical Marijuana = a ruse for stoners to legalize weed :roll:
I was only speaking of the the state legislator in your local voting district. The POTUS can't change a state proposition. :crazy: The qualifications to run for President of the United States of America or your local neighborhood legislator aren't that rigorous. It really is something like are you a citizen, breath, and out of the juvenile justice system plus a couple of years. :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
Most people don't want to run for the local offices on the state or local level because they don't want to. Most people don't like confrontation or to defend themselves. Most people lack the passion for the job. Most people are happy with the status quo and won't get involved unless something is wrong or the person in office messes up really badly. Stated another way, most people are mostly bark then walk back to their house.
A state office campaign, other than governor or attorney general (statewide offices), is not that expensive to run in most cases. Many times, the legislator in your district runs unopposed. And so, if you don't like how the legislator in your districts votes, run for office. If you are so in favor of marijuana and your legislator does not share your viewpoint, the direct approach is to run against him and engage in the debate directly and publicly. Ferret out his opinions. Persuade people against his views and get elected to cast your vote where it really matters - the language of the actual law. Until then, your legislator will do what he/she is elected to do, vote on stuff and make laws based upon what he/she thinks.
I clicked the link. Your claims above relate to the approved and legal prescription form of THC and a synthetic that acts a lot like THC. Is there a problem that there is a prescription form? At a $1.56 per pill, is that unreasonable? So why, again, do we need to legalize THC if there is a legal prescription form that is pretty cheap?Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
^^^ no problem really, but I'd like to see all forms of THC approved for medical purposes - not just Marinol. A buck and a half is pretty cheap per pill, but I'll bet in whole form right from the plant is even cheaper and easier to access. Besides, any and all THC is (or was) illegal in Utah. And THC is still illegal as per federal regulations -- "has no medicinal value" -- I still can't see how the feds can claim that with a straight face when so much documented research has proven otherwise.
Thanks for the thoughts regarding legislators -- I had no idea it was so wide open. It's almost tempting...
I'm honestly advocating for an open mind on medicinal, but it's an uphill battle because there's so much closed mindedness on the topic. You say medical marijuana and immediately many folks get really cynical and roll their eyes because they conflate medical and recreational.
My mind is wide open. I think the eye-roll from many folks is a result of what has happened in other states. The definition of "Medicinal" in many states like California and Colorado is defined a wee bit too loosely for most conservatives. Sore feet? Get a marijuana card!!!! :lol8::nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
Attachment 91171Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Card
My question though is why do you care? If someone wants to sit in their house and smoke pot for recreational purposes, why does it bother you? Would you also support alcohol prohibition again? It reminds me a bit of the gay marriage debate. You don't want to get gay married, don't. If you don't want to smoke pot, don't! But why do you get to decide for everyone else?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Card
Maybe it is just the independent, freedom loving American in me, but I don't need a government bureaucrat to tell me what I can eat or drink. And that goes well beyond pot, If I want to drink a 64 oz. soda in NYC why is that a problem? If I have a painful terminal illness, why should the government tell me I can't end it peaceably? Probably the same reason I was pissed they closed Nutty Putty closed. Let people take responsibility for their own lives.
Seems like if the leg didn't think prop 2 was good for us, they should have done a better job of convincing a majority of the voters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Card
Quote:
Originally Posted by uintafly
^^^THIS^^^
I've always wondered what the big deal with recreational is anyway. As I have stated previously ad nausem -- it's already present everywhere in massive quantities. Why not profit from it?
Seems to me he was just expressing his opinion. That doesn't go over very well with you liberal types, now does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by uintafly
Personally, I think prostitution should be legal. Any woman over 18. Got any daughters, Mr. Fly?
You should pick up and move to Nevada - where prostitution IS legal. :naughty:Quote:
Originally Posted by twotimer
He gave his opinion, I gave mine. It's not my fault that his opinion is wrong. :twisted: I am not sure what it has to do with liberal/conservative honestly. I'd say my pov in this is closer to the Libertarian pov honestly. Since when is "get government out of my life" a liberal viewpoint? I am just requesting the government stop treading on me. :roflol:Quote:
Originally Posted by twotimer
By the way, we agree on the prostitution thing too, and I have a daughter. Luckily not a prostitute though. Regulate it, tax it, and segregate it to certain areas and I am just fine with it. It's done all over Europe. Better than streetwalkers in my opinion. The hard part (see what I did there) about prostitution is making sure that even legal brothels are "human trafficking" free.
Quote:
Originally Posted by uintafly
:lol8: This is the reason why a long time ago I made it a point to replace the word "hard" in my vocabulary with "difficult."
I'm a big believer that the worse thing you can do is keep vice hidden in the dark shadows. That goes for drugs, prostitution, gambling, etc. By forcing these vices into the shadows you create crime and victims who are afraid to report the crimes. But the dumbest thing of all is you can't legislature vice or morals, despite what our Utah legislators think.
Climb-Utah.com
Yeah...but in your opinion, he'd favor outlawing alcohol and is possibly against gay marriage? Liberals IMO, tend to "pile on" with the accusations...when in reality, he didn't mention any of those subjects. I didn't notice him saying he was definitively against rec. mj, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by uintafly
Of course, Scott can speak for himself...I just thought the way you pigeonholed him was a bit heavy.
Damn near did that a few years ago. I decided to take a break from women after the most recent girlfriend but after about 2 years I started to get jacked up. I was going to take a road trip to that whorehouse south of Vegas (figured it would cost me about $1000 to get leveled out) when one of my neighbors came around all flirty and shaking her hips.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
She came out to Hawaii with me and I ended up spending that grandad anyway...picking up the lion's share of food and lodging. Worth it though...nothing like the warmth of a woman to square you away.
^^^^This is so true.^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
And it's one of the major reasons the war on drugs is a colossal failure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by twotimer
And give men a try? :haha:
I think I will avoid responding to the ad hominem and other fallacious comments in your statement. I will however tell you that I care, just like you care, about rights, our community, and our country. I care based upon my life experience and what I believe is best for my community and my country. I don't believe that unrestricted use of marijuana is good for society. Yep, there it is, my opinion. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by uintafly
I am not sure where to start with this comment. I have said this many times to many groups and individuals. The Law is very simply societies' definition of the lowest moral standard. In other words, for virtually every law, there is a moral reason. If you fall below the law, you have fallen below the lowest acceptable standard established by society. Think of trying to make a dollar in any business. There are rules about how to do that for the benefit of society founded upon principles of honesty and fairness -- moral principles. The criminal code, child support, alimony, etc. etc. are all based on morality or controlling "vices", or doing what you ought to be doing as a (moral) human being (supporting kids you brought into this world so society doesn't have to). To be blunt, legislatures can and do legislate morality. In fact, it is about all they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
This is why I say, if you have an opposing view from your neighbors, run for office and persuade those in your voting district that your views (of morality) are correct.
So....it follows then that by those standards partaking of medical marijuana is immoral....which is categorically untrue.
The same logic somehow endorses alcohol and tobacco consumption. Huge double standard there.
You're treading into reallllly grey areas by trying to legislate and enforce morality. That is a line that differs from person to person. Why then did Canada as a country vote to legalize recreational marijuana? Because they are immoral? :ne_nau:
:facepalm1::facepalm1::facepalm1:Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
"mo·ral·i·ty
/məˈralədē/
noun
- principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.
...."
Sorry, but it is true. Society chooses its moral code of conduct. It is called the law. Society has defined marijuana use as "immoral" because it is behavior that is not accepted. It is bad under the law. The law IS the legal definition of right and wrong, good and bad, as defined by the government -- people we elected. It is the lowest moral code accepted by society. Seems that our nature is to not be controlled or to be told what is right or wrong, moral or immoral. So, welcome to the law and welcome to the purpose of governments, and welcome to defining morality for the masses.
Yes, I'd agree as to the double standard regarding alcohol and tobacco. Are there any health benefits whatsoever to tobacco??? Why is it still legal?
As to Canada, they lowered the bar/definition of morality or legality regarding marijuana. It used to be immoral/illegal now it is not.
What you are missing, for those of us who DON'T CARE, if you want to change the law you need to make a better arguments than:Quote:
Originally Posted by uintafly
Mormons are controlling,
Marijuana isn't terrible. ..
YOU need to do better work at convincing us to go support it. It's not us that need to open our minds, it's you that needs to do a better job at selling it.
The guilt trip doesn't motivate me to vote for something, except against it.
Oh heck...I wouldn't have to drive all the way to Nevada to get some nookie in that case...There's a gay bar "The Mineshaft" just a mile up the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
I did. Did you click the link I posted?
Or are you still insistent that "medical marijuana" is just a concept dreamed up by Willie Nelson and Cheech and Chong to finally legalize what they've been indulging in for the last 5 decades? And the notion that cannabis could ever be medicinal is just a well crafted lie meant to benefit all of those hippy stoners out there who are sick of running from the law to get their puff on?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Card
:lol8: I see what you did there...couching your response in dictionary format...:lol8:
The problem as I see it are those two words that I highlighted: Right and Wrong. So, so subjective. Your right might be my wrong, and vice versa. And if my wrong doesn't impact you or anybody else, then why are you poking your beak in?