Fair enough. The American Canyoneers site was updated with a link as soon as you notified me. This should no longer be an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by accadacca
Of course, this discussion is only a result of a post made on another forum, the Canyons yahoo group. That post was made by none other than Shane Burrows, asking people to participate here on Bogley. In fact, he also did the exact same thing on a separate yahoo group designed specifically to encourage people to discuss the new association. Essentially, the same thing you are now moderating for. Do you see the inconsistency?
What's more, the moderation is at best inconsistent. At worst, it is a result of a personal rub that Shane has with me, and perhaps others in the community. The olive branch has been extended to Shane. We want his participation in this.
An example of inconsistency in moderation - a recent post announced the formation of "candition.com" Candition is a neutral forum for discussing conditions in canyons. It's a great resource. (though slightly different than this bulletin board, but content is still generated by it's members) Was the link moderated? Of course not. That discussion could very well happen on Bogley (and has for years) as well as on Candition. Are they competitors? Obviously not. Candition has very specific content and one of it's stated goals was to remain neutral, to attract a wide variety of input from canyoneers, regardless of what forum they participate on.
http://www.bogley.com/forum/showthre...t-is-over-quot
Read through the thread, it is ironic, to say the least. Scott even makes an appearance.
I don't see how the two differ much. Both have specialized information, and seek to encourage community participation regardless where people come from. Neither are to the detriment of Bogley.
I disagree. I would like to know who moderated it. If it wasn't you, for the reason you stated, I think a valid explanation is appropriate. By all accounts, it appears Shane moderated it. If that is the case, it appears personal. As I still am trying to see a concrete reason why this site would represent competition for Bogley.Quote:
The full history of the moderated thread doesn't matter at this point. It remains quarantined until we see the direction and attitude of the future organization.
I appreciate you taking ownership of that decision. I disagree with your stance. The stated goals of the AC forum is simply to create an iBOD and for input directly related to it's mission statement. Obviously, if you wait until that step is completed to allow a link to the site, the mission of the AC forum has been fulfilled.Quote:
It remains quarantined until we see the direction and attitude of the future organization. That has been made clear and I'll take full credit for that decision. When a mission statement is created and a board elected, then a partnership with Bogley is possible.
People can deduce from this what they would like, but in my opinion, it appears as nothing more than an obstacle to promoting discussion of the new organization.
This is also interesting. I have access to the stats on the AC end as well, and I can see referring sources. Since the post has been moderated, there has been ZERO referrals from Bogley to the AC.Quote:
I can see outbound traffic in my web stats going to the AC site and Bogley members that are interested have signed up. No reason to sling mud over it, as it doesn't help Bogley's cause or the org in its infancy.
The reason is simple. I've been careful not to post an actual hyperlink, with the exception of the moderated message. There are currently ZERO active hyperlinks on Bogley referring people to AC. If people want to go there, they have to type the URL directly into the address bar. Are you suggesting that you can track what people are typing directly into their web browsers? I admit my knowledge of this area is very limited compared to yours, but I am under the impression this seems very unlikely.
The organization is officially off the ground. Funds have been received for the initial costs, the legal obstacles are being negotiated, and the process for selection of an iBOD is in place. All are invited to participate. The only turf war appears to be whether or not you will allow a link on Bogley to the association's site.Quote:
Energies need to be put into getting the org off the ground, not squabbling over turf.
