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you can drive right to the gate, but the problem is that you're in the Kolob Pines subdivision which would be considered private. The trick is to just take the time to hike there and park farther away in a spot that does not immediately give you away as a canyoneer. If a low key approach is practiced nobody will know you're in there!Quote:
Originally Posted by moab mark
Does anyone know what lds stake owns this camp? I think our high adveture boys need an adventure.
Mark
I once heard it was out of vegasQuote:
Originally Posted by moab mark
Its definately out of vegas. I'm not sure what stake but I know its one of the henderson stakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by trackrunner
Last I heard Camp Kolob is owned by the Logandale stake. It is in the Las Vegas area.
So does ZACS go across theLDS property or a different way? Climb Utah states cutting through the Church property. If cutting through camp kolob are you trespassing on the Bird property? By looking at the map MIA is not exiting on Camp Kolob? Is the MIA on private or public property?
Mark
ZAC uses Mr. Bird's property for ingress and egress.Quote:
Originally Posted by moab mark
Cutting through Camp Kolob is trespassing, and their property is posted.
The MIA exit is a long way away, through property owned by another Stake, which grants the public a hiking access as long as they stay away from camp in session, which works easily because the camp is further down the peninsula where people are not interested in going.
Tom
I realize the church prop is posted but if you go in that way are you staying off of birds property? A phone call from one Stake Pres to another can probably get a young mens group permission to cross their camp.
Mark
Has anyone tried doing this?Quote:
Originally Posted by moab mark
Not I, I quit Canyoneering with the Scouts, to much headache and liability.:angryfire:Just go as a group of a couple of Dads and their Boys now.
Does ZAC's still have access?
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Originally Posted by moab mark
Zion Adventure Company (ie, ZAC) has access to the Oak Creek canyons via an agreement with the Bird family.
I'm not sure when the renewal date is.
But that other company... ZAC's, must be the ones thats doess guidings nears Zions Nationals Parks, and I ams unfamiliars withs theirs agreementss. :naughty:
Tom
Zax has pretty good pizza though
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Originally Posted by ratagonia
What is the cost to have my hand held thru Oak Creek?
C'mon Mark, you've done a ZAC trip haven't you? We don't hold your hand, we empower you to hold your own hand, and make sure you are holding it at all times.Quote:
Originally Posted by moab mark
This trip we call an Extreme Adventure Day.
http://www.zionadventures.com/zion-p...yoneering-day/
Tom
looks like it is:Quote:
Originally Posted by moab mark
One on One $695.00 Two or More $395.00 per person Group Discount Not Available
gah... so much $$ to have some one go with you when you know you can do it yourself. I guess some things in life just don't work out the way you wan't them.
The trip is, of course, oriented toward people who cannot do it on their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuya
And, just to be clear, you cannot just go do it on your own, legally, since the canyon and access are on private land.
Tom
yeah that is the problem I guess. In order to experience this section of canyon now, an experienced canyoneer now has to pay a guide $400+ to go. :lame:Quote:
Originally Posted by ratagonia
Looks like I will need to call up the property manager and reserve the church camp ground for my family. hehehe
Tom, do you have a copy of the map showing land ownersship? I know I've seen one floating around.Quote:
Originally Posted by ratagonia