Teen dies after crowd taunts him to jump

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Originally Posted by deathcricket

Now there is one area where I feel bad regarding suicide. Soldiers...

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Hypocritical, but hey, politically correct. Very nice of you to make that exception to your totally bogus and completely unbelievable view on life. Soldiers have hundreds of places to get help too. Everything you said about that dude on the roof applies to them too. So, if the guy on the roof was in jeans and a TShirt causing a traffic jam wanting to kill himself, would you still encourage him to jump? Ya know, it's hard to tell about a person in jeans and a t-shirt: He MIGHT BE A SOLDIER. Or is it just that you have a thing about goth-y lookin' people, they obviously are worthless pieces of crap and might as well just die.
Oh yeah, and what about the horrors that young guy may have faced - YOU DONT KNOW what has been going on in his life. Perhaps he's been sexually assaulted since he was 4 years old, maybe he's had to watch his sister get sexually assaulted, maybe he's been the family punching bag, or locked up in a basement and fed $hit for 5 years... YOU DONT KNOW. And like James said, mental illness distorts your ability to see things clearly AND get help. YOU DONT KNOW.

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Originally Posted by deathcricket

Bring it on hippies!

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ANd what the hell does mean or imply? What on freakin' earth do HIPPIES have to do with anything?

Well I would agree (with you) that a person's problems are all a matter of perception. And a person committing suicide perceives small problems in their life to be major problems that are insurmountable.

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Does that mean that the soldiers are too lazy too?

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In my mind living with the fact that it was your duty to blow a guys brains out because your country asks you too is vastly different than any possible problem a normal human can face. I also think that soldiers who live in a military situation being told what to do, think, eat, and sleep, would cause trauma once that is taken away. I think soldiers are naturally self reliant and bite off "more than they can chew" and it ends up dominating them. granted I'm not in their shoes but suspect this is the case. I just know it would haunt me for all my days if this was forced upon me. But its a clear difference at least in my mind, than "I lost my job, girlfriend, son, etc". Which brings me to my next point.

[quote]When your next door neighbor comes over and kills your wife and kid, I

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Originally Posted by TreeHugger

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Bring it on hippies!

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ANd what the hell does mean or imply? What on freakin' earth do HIPPIES have to do with anything?

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I think he's probably elluding to the fact that hippes are all about "love and peace and understanding".

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Originally Posted by deathcricket

Interesting responses. I'm probably the extreme end of the spectrum. I've no pity for a loser that takes his life.

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Sadly, it looks like quite a few of you here on Bogley, and at least a handful of those "on-lookers" to this tragedy, adhere to the above philosophy. It

First, you need to work on your reading comprehension skills to be able to argue effectively.

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Originally Posted by TreeHugger

So, if the guy on the roof was in jeans and a TShirt causing a traffic jam wanting to kill himself, would you still encourage him to jump?.

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Originally Posted by deathcricket

I'm not saying I would have jeered him on, but society has a fascination with death. So I can understand people wanting to see him splat.

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Originally Posted by TreeHugger

YOU DONT KNOW

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Originally Posted by deathcricket

Does it even matter what his problems are? No it does not. Whatever they are, they are beyond his ability to deal with and he obviously doesn't want help from normal outlets.

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So we don't know WHAT his problems are, yet you feel qualified to make decisions in his best interests? Sounds almost "god-like" to me, I'm impressed.

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Oh, the hippies remark... ya know.. peace love understanding.. pity for the weak...

I just think there should be no room for disagreement on this topic but apparently there is. In my world, there is and would be total compassion for an individual in that kind of mental pain. Call me the compassionate one. Randi, Tree and a few other peace, loving, hippie, Bogley folks on here summed up everything I could have said and BETTER. :2thumbs:

Jeez Cricket

I had a close friend shoot herself to death in the winter of 1994. She had a lot to offer - a talented nurse, a skilled seamstress, a great musician. She had a lot of hurt, though, and it consumed her. She wasn't a loser, she was just wounded. After she died, her family gave me her diary, and I discovered she had made all the entries out to me; they all began, "Dear Richard."

I don't know how I could have saved her, but I know that if somehow we had saved her, she would have brought something into the world, something meaningful and important. Right now I know someone like her, someone who is hurting and can't find the answer. I hope she knows that she can call me or Abby if it would help. And if she is, one day, on that ledge, I'll try to talk her down.

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Bring it on hippies!

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ANd what the hell does mean or imply? What on freakin' earth do HIPPIES have to do with anything?

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I think he's probably elluding to the fact that hippes are all about "love and peace and understanding".

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Originally Posted by deathcricket

Interesting responses. I'm probably the extreme end of the spectrum. I've no pity for a loser that takes his life.

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Sadly, it looks like quite a few of you here on Bogley, and at least a handful of those "on-lookers" to this tragedy, adhere to the above philosophy. It

We are way to polarized for you to understand my position. And clearly I'm pissing people off by speaking it, so will shut up. but just wanted to quote this....

[quote=James_B_Wads2000]
I agree that all things being equal, that the individual is the best one to decide if their life is worth living. But I would say that for the majority of people who are contemplating suicide that all things are not equal. Most are in a mental state where they are not making rational decisions. Maybe it is a cry for help. I would admit that there may be some people that are so far gone that they are determined to die no matter what. But just because they step out on to that roof, I am not going to assume that no part of them wants to be helped.

And that

I can only try to understand your position as it was written. As much as I love to be told I won the argument, I am afraid that you are just letting me win by default. That

Just poking my nose in here once more to say count me in the hippie camp, too.

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Hey I didn't know DeathCricket lived in China. :haha:


James

Suicidal man in China gets push off bridge after blocking traffic for hours, survives

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Saturday, May 23rd 2009, 11:16 AM

BEIJING - Chen Fuchao, a man heavily in debt, had been contemplating suicide on a bridge in southern China for hours when a passer-by came up, shook his hand

26 feet doesn't sound nearly far enough for suicide. Would suck to feel so miserable about life that you want to end it and then only end up making it worse by injuring yourself. :ne_nau:

If only this happened in Japan, there would be a video we could watch.

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Edit: Wait, I suspect this story is a fake. Don't they have snipers in China who can keep traffic moving along?

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If only this happened in Japan, there would be a video we could watch.

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Edit: Wait, I suspect this story is a fake. Don't they have snipers in China who can keep traffic moving along?

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As if you didn't know... :roll:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPRM1BfxKL0




James

:roflol: Thanks for the vid! :2thumbs:

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Great video!

Sniper at 1 hour instead of pusher at 5 hours would have been better though. I bet a lot of those people stuck in traffic missed dinner and family time.

Edit: After reading the comments on youtube, I have to also ask.. WHERE'S KEYBOARD CAT WHEN YOU NEED HIM?