California Schools purchase firearms, and so it begins.
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California Schools purchase firearms, and so it begins.
http://news.yahoo.com/fontana-calif-...184934771.html
I find it slightly ironic, when a government entity purchases these high powered murder everybody assault rifles---
They are merely called "semi-automatic rifles........
The irony/hypocrisy is thick and prevalent.
Ted for Prez.:2thumbs:
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Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
Actually.... if you are serious about connecting the dots the one item that really stands out is all had been treated at one time or anther for mental illness.
But yeah, I get it.... much easier to blame the Democrats. :roll:
Agree--mental issues are the tie, but that doesn't sound as good as "assault weapons"Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
So heres fineswines attempt at banning everything, read it carefully, words matter, I've already spotted some veiled attempts.
Assault Weapons Ban of 2013
Mass shootings in Newtown, Aurora, and Tucson have demonstrated all too clearly the need to regulate military-style assault weapons and high capacity ammunition magazines. These weapons allow a gunman to fire a large number of rounds quickly and without having to reload.
The legislation bans the sale, transfer, manufacturing and importation of:
All semiautomatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: pistol grip; forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or threaded barrel.
All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: threaded barrel; second pistol grip; barrel shroud; capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.
All semiautomatic rifles and handguns that have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
All semiautomatic shotguns that have a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; pistol grip; fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds; ability to accept a detachable magazine; forward grip; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; or shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
All ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips, and drums) capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
157 specifically-named firearms (listed at the end of this document).
The legislation excludes the following weapons from the bill:
Any weapon that is lawfully possessed at the date of the bill’s enactment;
Any firearm manually operated by a bolt, pump, lever or slide action;
Assault weapons used by military, law enforcement, and retired law enforcement; and
Antique weapons.
The legislation protects hunting and sporting firearms:
The bill excludes 2,258 legitimate hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns by specific make and model.
The legislation strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and state bans by:
Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test.
o The bill also makes the ban harder to evade by eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test.
Banning dangerous aftermarket modifications and workarounds.
o Bump or slide fire stocks, which are modified stocks that enable semi-automatic weapons to fire at rates similar to fully automatic machine guns.
o So-called “bullet buttons” that allow the rapid replacement of ammunition magazines, frequently used as a workaround to prohibitions on detachable magazines.
o Thumbhole stocks, a type of stock that was created as a workaround to avoid prohibitions on pistol grips.
Adding a ban on the importation of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines.
Eliminating the 10-year sunset that allowed the original federal ban to expire.
The legislation addresses the millions of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines currently in existence by:
Requiring a background check on all sales or transfers of a grandfathered assault weapon.
o This background check can be run through the FBI or, if a state chooses, initiated with a state agency, as with the existing background check system.
Prohibiting the sale or transfer of large-capacity ammunition feeding devices lawfully possessed on the date of enactment of the bill.
Allowing states and localities to use federal Byrne JAG grant funds to conduct a voluntary buy-back program for grandfathered assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices.
Imposing a safe storage requirement for grandfathered firearms, to keep them away from prohibited persons.
Requiring that assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices manufactured after the date of the bill’s enactment be engraved with the serial number and date of manufacture of the weapon
Assault Weapon Bans Have Been Proven to Be Effective
The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban was effective at reducing crime and getting these military-style weapons off our streets. Since the ban expired, more than 350 people have been killed and more than 450 injured by these weapons.
A Justice Department study of the assault weapons ban found that it was responsible for a 6.7% decrease in total gun murders, holding all other factors equal.
Source: Jeffrey A. Roth & Christopher S. Koper, “Impact Evaluation of the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act of 1994,” (March 1997).
The same study also found that “Assault weapons are disproportionately involved in murders with multiple victims, multiple wounds per victim, and police officers as victims.”
The use of assault weapons in crime declined by more than two-thirds by about nine years after 1994 Assault Weapons Ban took effect.
o Source: Christopher S. Koper, “An Updated Assessment of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban: Impacts on Gun Markets and Gun Violence, 1994-2003” (June 2004), University of Pennsylvania, Report to the National Institute of Justice, U.S. Department of Justice.
The percentage of firearms seized by police in Virginia that had high-capacity magazines dropped significantly during the ban. That figure has doubled since the ban expired.
o Source: David S. Fallis and James V. Grimaldi, “In Virginia, high-yield clip seizures rise,” Washington Post, at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...012204046.html
When Maryland imposed a more stringent ban on assault pistols and high-capacity magazines in 1994, it led to a 55% drop in assault pistols recovered by the Baltimore Police Department.
o Source: Douglas S. Weil & Rebecca C. Knox, Letter to the Editor, The Maryland Ban on the Sale of Assault Pistols and High-Capacity Magazines: Estimating the Impact in Baltimore, 87 Am. J. of Public Health 2, Feb. 1997..
37% of police departments reported seeing a noticeable increase in criminals’ use of assault weapons since the 1994 federal ban expired.
o Source: Police Executive Research Forum, Guns and Crime: Breaking New Ground by Focusing on the Local Impact (May 2010).
List of Firearms Prohibited by Name
Rifles: All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS; All AR types, including the following: AR–10, AR–15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15–T, Barrett REC7, Beretta AR–70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R–15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR–15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles; Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1; Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter; Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000; Feather Industries AT–9; Galil Model AR and Model ARM; Hi-Point Carbine; HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1 and HK USC; Kel-Tec Sub–2000, SU–16, and RFB; SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and Sig Sauer SG 551; Springfield Armory SAR–48; Steyr AUG; Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M–14/20CF; All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, Thompson T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1–C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C; UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78; Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.
Pistols: All AK–47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK–47 pistol, HCR AK–47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK–47 pistol, Yugo Krebs Krink pistol; All AR–15 types, including the following: American Spirit AR–15 pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR–15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Calico Liberty pistols; DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP–9 and MP–45; Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol; Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9; Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol; The following MAC types: MAC–10, MAC–11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11, Velocity Arms VMAC; Sig Sauer P556 pistol; Sites Spectre; All Thompson types, including the following: Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5; All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI.
Shotguns: Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12; All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01, IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika; Streetsweeper; Striker 12.
Belt-fed semiautomatic firearms: All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW M2HB.
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Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
We were kickin' idears around at the lunch table. Instead of registering guns...what about people in possession of such? You could drive any car, but, to operate one on public property, you need a valid license.
Then, we could argue about the requirements for such a license. A nice long juicy psyche exam...ha ha. Discriminating questions such as: Yes, I'm afraid of my government. Yes, I'm paranoid that my neighbors are out to get me. Yes, I'm afraid of random strangers breaking into my house and I need this 30 round magazine to protect myself. Yes, I shop at JC Penny with an assault rifle on my back and I don't think I appear threatening. Yes, I like Ted Nugent's politics. Yes, I hate Piers Morgan. Yes, I call the president elect "Barry", or "zero", or whatever other disrespectful names my talk shows come up with. Yes, I think its cool when someone flys an American flag upside down.
We could keep guns out of the hands of crazies no problemo...ha ha....
easy to see the closet progressive got outed.......Sad to see their breakdown when they have no valid points...(hope you find some drugs for the cure)I've seen in the past where you guys like to perform mass murders...oohhh and you have an AR.......
Heres something "worth" reading.
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2013-01-23.html
And those who get so defensive about things done under the first Amendment, Want to wipe out the 2nd.
but thats how progressives are, they see the Constitution as an outdated, inconvenient rag that just gets in the way of progress.
Strange......
despite what polls zero and his minions made up to deceive folks, here is an actual NRA poll. Taken Jan. 13-14 2013
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/ne...d.aspx?s&st&ps
I get what you are saying.... but there is a big difference between guns and cars... at least in legal terms...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
Owning and operating a gun is a right.... owning and driving a car is a privilege....
That damn Second Amendment is always getting in the way.... har-har...
Ann Coulter's "worth" is debatable, but, her article is pretty interesting on a number of fronts. I agree with some, and, disagree with other of her points.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldno7
I hope congress (not just the "libs" or "progressives" or "leftys" or "socialists" or insert your own self serving label here) does pass some meaningful legislation with regard to mental health. That seems to be in the works. Time will tell. So, I disagree with her point about that.
I agree that in some, especially western states, congress fellers like Harry Reid and our own Jim M would have a hard time voting for most any fairly restrictive gun control legislation. Their memories following the shift in balance from the fallout from the 1994 ban is still fairly fresh. Congress will bog down on this gun control thing, no doubt. For better or worse.
Soccer moms are a voting block. They're probably less concerned about gun control than issues regarding women's health, and, that played out so well for the Republicans this last go 'round.
Revolvers aren't semi automatics. Neither are bolt action, lever action, pump action, etc rifles.
Yeah, worrying about bayonet lugs is silly. Obama isn't "terrified" of them though. That's plain silly.
I'd have no idear if most schizophrenics know if they need help or not. My limited data, living with a person with schizophrenia, and, hanging out with someone who most of the homeless population knew ("go see your case worker" she'd yell at them when they were on the street corner looking for a handout) doesn't really help me figure that one out. My bet, from a privacy standpoint, most folks would be nervious about medical records in the hands of the gov't. I guess the insurance companies already know what ills you got, so, thank goodness for them covering pre-existing conditions now...
Go Max Baucus! Geez, I think he was in congress when I lived in Montana years ago. Seems like a nice feller (rode next to him on the airplane once). We like that new governer in Montana too. Beats havin' bumper stickers that read, "my governer is dumber than your governer".
Yep. A right that should be "a well regulated" one... har har. Ahhh, those first three little words. Time for someone to misquote the federalist papers or George Washington now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Let me help you with a quote you should read at least once. It is contained in DC V. HellerQuote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
Ya know--one of those inconvenient FACTS, backing the BOR
The Supreme Court held:[43]
(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.
Yeah, I don't most folks care if you've been in a militia or not. Just that you are "well regulated".Quote:
Originally Posted by oldno7
I know most say I ain't got good grammar. So I'll ask you---Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
Do comma's mean anything?
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
I guess I fail to see anything about the people being well regulated.
A well regulated militia,,,,,,,,,,(comma)
The Right of the PEOPLE to keep(that means keep what is ours)and bear(that means we the people can carry/bear arms)SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
These sentiments are backed by 2 recent Supreme court rulings!
Do you have anything with substance?
Reagan had Alzheimer's from 1989. I don't hold anything against him from that point.(because we all now the anti-gun folks next mis-conception)
So heres a clip from him that shows that nothing has changed in this Country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...cScEQ&NR=1