President Trump

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Originally Posted by DirkHammergate

1) Cut Unemployment rate from 10 to under 5 % during the economic sh*tstorm when he took office.
2) Created the ACA which covered 20 million additional Americans. As flawed as it may be, it's not going anywhere and when it gets ironed out and working as it should it'll be Obama that gets the credit.
3) 86'd Bin Laden
4) Supported LGBTQ's marriage equality rights (fyi - Millennials couldn't give a sh*t about who marries who and much of the antiquated right wing moral values arguments).
5) Successfully saved the American Auto Industry.
6) Made measurable improvements in increasing renewable energy and increases in fuel standards.

I could name a bunch more but I've come to the realization on this board that one person's accomplishments could be also viewed as one person's failure.

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Descent list.... #1, #3 and #5 I agree with.

But....

#2 is history as it no longer has the funding required to support it. Healthcare is a lot like immigration in that Congress needs to fix this mess and stop trying to use it as a weapon against the other party. The only thing Obama did with the ACA is shift the problem of paying for healthcare from one group to another. Many that had good healthcare have now been saddled with shitty healthcare. Socialism makes everyone equal, and by that I mean equally poor.

#4 did nothing but confuse the issue. Obama is as much damage as good so I'll call it a toss up.

#6 shows you really have no understanding energy outside of reading the media talking points. 80% of my work is in mining and energy and what was done to the energy industry could best be described as a SNAFU at best.

#5???

at the taxpayers cost, gm and it's unions should have been allowed to go broke.
There is no such thing as too big to fail.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...osses/8522681/

#2 will go down in history as the largest scam on the average wage earner, rising premiums and annual costs, all subsidized.

#6 is laughable but thanks--I needed that:roflol:

#1 un employment fell. What policy helped that?

#3 yep, he was president when bin laden died.

#7) Didn't chase a porn star around a hotel room in tighty whities, mind you, "I really don't care". Look, see what I did there??

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Originally Posted by oldno7

#5???

at the taxpayers cost, gm and it's unions should have been allowed to go broke.

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Nope! If we had of let the US auto industry go belly up it would have pulled this country into another Great Depression. It's all the large and small satellite businesses and industries that through no fault of their own who would have also been sucked into bankruptcy that was the major issue.

History has taught us the biggest mistake by our government during the Great Depression is they didn't step in soon enough.

The government really had only two choices, fix a big problem at the moment or fix a massively huge problem a year down the road.

YMMV

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Originally Posted by Iceaxe

Nope! If we had of let the US auto industry go belly up it would have pulled this country into another Great Depression. It's all the large and small satellite businesses and industries that through no fault of their own who would have also been sucked into bankruptcy that was the major issue.

History has taught us the biggest mistake by our government during the Great Depression is they didn't step in soon enough.

The government really had only two choices, fix a big problem at the moment or fix a massively huge problem a year down the road.

YMMV

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It's all speculation at this point--we will never know.

I prefer capitalism, ymmv

I never heard a word about any potential buyers for GM...so we'll never know if new owners could have turned it around. Probably not, as they were so far down a hole. Besides, a liberal administration was bound to stand behind the union there.

Letting it hit the skids would have taken down tons of parts suppliers. I've heard that they repaid most, if not all of the money they borrowed. Anyway, I'd love to read a factual book detailing how that all went down...who was calling the shots.

These days, they need to vastly improve their trucks. Never bought any of their stock or products.

problem was--new buyers can't come in when the United States and UAW owns the company.

Letting it go under, would have certainly crushed UAW.

But as Byron says, liberals ARE pro union and that was not an option--at the time, although I believe it would have been a good one.

Letting weak, financially un responsible companies thrive on the US taxpayer is not ideal.(solyndra, et al)

GM and Chrysler both repaid their loans ahead of schedule and with interest. The basic issue was the US government was probably the only one big enough to bail them out... in hind sight this was executed to prefection.

If GM and Chrysler had of failed it would have taken 20 or 30 very difficult years for the country to dig out of the massive hole created.

Pure uncheck and unregulated capitalism has it's pitfalls...

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Originally Posted by oldno7

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I LOL'd

oh--noooooooo

Majority of Americans approve of Trump's handling of the economy for the first time: CNBC survey

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/25/majo...e-economy.html

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Originally Posted by oldno7

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It's really sad, but those are really the sentiments that a wide portion of the left have adopted. They would prefer to see America absolutely decimated so long as they can pin it on Trump. To them, that would be a major victory.

Unbelievable.

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Originally Posted by oldno7

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You know that if the tables were turned and some restaurant owner kicked some patron out on the curb because they were Democrat there would be rioting in the streets.

Good on Sarah Sanders for keeping her cool and dealing with it with class.

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Originally Posted by rockgremlin

You know that if the tables were turned and some restaurant owner kicked some patron out on the curb because they were Democrat there would be rioting in the streets.

Good on Sarah Sanders for keeping her cool and dealing with it with class.

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Can you just imagine the rage if a restaurant had of kicked Loretta Lynch to the curb?

But since Sanders is a privileged white woman is somehow OK.

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Originally Posted by Iceaxe

Can you just imagine the rage if a restaurant had of kicked Loretta Lynch to the curb?

But since Sanders is a privileged white woman is somehow OK.

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Oh yeah - if Loretta Lynch got told to leave there would be mass looting and rioting in the streets. Every major network would be broadcasting images of cars being flipped over, and storefronts getting broken into. It would be the Watts riots all over again.

#Doublestandard

#Bullshit

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Originally Posted by Iceaxe

Can you just imagine the rage if a restaurant had of kicked Loretta Lynch to the curb?

But since Sanders is a privileged white woman is somehow OK.

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I didn't bitch when that the christian bakery refusing to sell to same sex couple, the only thing I question was someone in pretty high authority going public about it. Sure its her right to and glad she handled the exit gracefully but that resturant is toast. Dirk likes women in power, I find her oddly sexy even with the nonsense she has to throw out on a daily basis. I'd hit it for sure.

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Originally Posted by DirkHammergate

Dirk likes women in power, I find her oddly sexy even with the nonsense she has to throw out on a daily basis. I'd hit it for sure.

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Ha, ha! Ya know what's funny about that? They ALL look so much better on their backs. I like her a lot, too...but not sure about intimacy. She's whip smart.

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Originally Posted by rockgremlin

It's really sad, but those are really the sentiments that a wide portion of the left have adopted. They would prefer to see America absolutely decimated so long as they can pin it on Trump. To them, that would be a major victory.

Unbelievable.

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Yeah, pretty gnarly. I've distrusted the mass media since the Bush/Gore election and what a freaking circus that was. This mid-term is going to be the extremely pivotal. I'm hopeful that the Right is going to prevail...because if the Dems win out then it proves that Trump was a fluke, and having whackos like Sanders and Pocahontas calling the shots means we're done for.

Can you imagine these violent freaks actually taking control of Congress? For anyone clamoring for a "third party"...I'd say let's replace the Democrat one to start. It's deteriorated to a carcass. I think the media and the Dems are going nuts because they're getting their asses kicked all over the place. Their power is severely weakened. It's going to be an ugly summer...

November, man. That's the big one.

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Originally Posted by DirkHammergate

Dirk likes women in power, I find her oddly sexy even with the nonsense she has to throw out on a daily basis. I'd hit it for sure.

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The thing about a woman like Sarah Sanders is she's waaaaayyyyy to smart to ever hook up with the Dirtster.....


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Originally Posted by DirkHammergate

I didn't bitch when that the christian bakery refusing to sell to same sex couple, the only thing I question was someone in pretty high authority going public about it.

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Big difference though, I don't see Sanders turning this into a Supreme Court ordeal like the gays wanting the cake, going through all sorts of appeals to see if it's constitutional or not.

We all know the restaurant had a right to ask her to leave. But not everybody thinks the baker had the same right. It's a blaring double standard.

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Originally Posted by Sombeech

Big difference though, I don't see Sanders turning this into a Supreme Court ordeal like the gays wanting the cake, going through all sorts of appeals to see if it's constitutional or not.

We all know the restaurant had a right to ask her to leave. But not everybody thinks the baker had the same right. It's a blaring double standard.

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Being a Trump Staffer is not a protected class... yet... He'll be getting somone on that right away.

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Originally Posted by oldno7

winning

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What do the numbers signify and what does this chart mean? Asking for a friend...

Here--for your friend.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...k-into-america

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Originally Posted by oldno7

Here--for your friend.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...k-into-america

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Holy shite! That's definitely a big win for the U.S.!

Cute chart, but even from that source, the devil is in the details. Some telling quotes from the article (CAPS my emphasis):

"...the [Bureau of Economic Analysis] keeps the names and sums of corporations repatriating confidential..."

"While it is not crystal clear how the lion’s share of funds returning to the U.S. will be used, pro-growth economists HOPE it will be used for hiring, boosting wages and other moves that will benefit the American worker and eventually TRICKLE DOWN to the broader economy."

"the last time repatriation funds saw a notable spike was in 2005, following passage the year before of the American Jobs Creation Act, which offered a tax holiday, among other tax benefits, under President George W. Bush. Yet, Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, tells FOX Business, at that time the benefit to the economy was MINIMAL and will likely be the same this time around. 'The repatriated cash will go to MORE STOCK REPURCHASES, dividend increases, and paying for mergers and acquisitions. All of this has no significant impact on the economy' he said."

Regarding stock repurchases, this article just came out today that backs that observation:

Stock buybacks set new record in first quarter of 2018

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Originally Posted by DirkHammergate

I didn't bitch when that the christian bakery refusing to sell to same sex couple, the only thing I question was someone in pretty high authority going public about it. Sure its her right to and glad she handled the exit gracefully but that resturant is toast. Dirk likes women in power, I find her oddly sexy even with the nonsense she has to throw out on a daily basis. I'd hit it for sure.

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Ewww.

If I am going to dip into right wing crazy, I am gonna have to stick to Tomi Lahren or Dana Loesch.

Bottom line--these companies(that saved billions in taxes) have hired the entire available US workforce.

With no workers available, the price to keep good help has gone up, dramatically.

If ones wages haven't gone up, one might want to look in the mirror as to why.

The repatriated cash is TAXED, albeit at a lower level.

Simple math tells us, tax on something contributes more than tax on nothing.

Apple alone--will be paying 38 Billion in taxes in the near future on repatriated money.

They will be INVESTING 350Billion in the US economy.

AND--I'm all for rewarding shareholders, they are the backbone that holds up every tradeable company.

I hear no crying when the same shareholders, who take large risks, lose billions.

So, glenn, in your words--what is the downside here, for America?

And--by the way--of the 305 Billion that has already been repatriated, YTD, has created 46 Billion in tax revenue.

I see where this might be a concern----if your a democrat:roflol:

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Originally Posted by uintafly

Ewww.

If I am going to dip into right wing crazy, I am gonna have to stick to Tomi Lahren or Dana Loesch.

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What about Ann Coulter? :naughty:

There is no scenario where bringing $305 billion back into the US is a bad thing.... despite what Democrats and the liberal media might tell you.