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And you know what, love or hate her, she does bring up an interesting point. If all gun owners are registered, would we then have access to see the Anti Gun folks who have hired armed guards? Or would they somehow slip through the system?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=zJriJuaEpQY
I've been studying a lot lately in regards to the "gun free zone" shooters. I made comments about 3-Columbine,Aurora,Newtown.
I just read that cho--from the Virginia Tech shooting was a huge fan of klebold/harris. He also was under care of the University's "student mental health services".
So all of these mass murderers, where under psychiatric care. Seems these types of individuals are falling through the cracks of mental health care.
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By EMILY FRIEDMAN (@EmilyABC)
Aug. 19, 2009
The missing pieces of the mental health records of Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho were made public today by the university, offering thefirst glimpse at the medical evaluations Cho underwent prior to committing the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history.
The records chronicle two telephone conversations and one in-person visit between Cho and mental health professionals at the Cook Counseling Center, the university's student mental health services provider, in the winter of 2005, the only instances in which the student ever interacted with the center, according to authorities.
Throughout his visits with mental health professionals, Cho denied having any homicidal or suicidal thoughts, according to documents.
The in-person consultation at the center followed Cho's release from the psych ward at Carilion St. Albans hospital on Dec. 14, 2005. According to the documents, Cho had been admitted overnight to the hospital after his roommate became concerned when Cho threatened to take his own life.
"I met with student for about 30 minutes," wrote triage counselor Sherry Lynch Conrad on a Post-It note stuck to Cho's file dated Dec. 14, 2005, the day after his release. "He denied any suicidal or homicidal ideation.Said the comment he made was a joke. Says he has no reason to harm self and would never do it."
Even so, Conrad drew an "X" through the portion of the medical chart that assesses a patient's mental health, instead writing, "Did not assess -- student has had two previous triages in past two weeks -- last two days ago."
Conrad wrote that she provided Cho with emergency numbers should he begin to have "suicidal or homicidal thoughts" over winter break, but she did not schedule a follow-up appointment because Cho didn't "know his schedule."
Cho first made contact with the center on Nov. 30, 2005, when he was referred by a professor.
In the records from his initial telephone conversation, another triage counselor checked off "Troubled: Further contact within 2 weeks" under the portion of the form that rates the severity of the patient's disposition.
An in-person appointment was scheduled for Cho on Dec. 12, 2005, but when he failed to show up, another telephone consultation took place.
According to the documents, Cho indicated in the second phone conversation that his symptoms of depression and anxiety had persisted. He also said that he was having trouble concentrating.
That counselor's notes indicate that Cho said that "he did not want to come in at this time," despite his symptoms.
This is the first time the public has seen the notes of three separate therapists who counseled Cho.
On April 16, 2007, Cho killed 32 people and then himself on the Virginia Tech campus in Blacksburg, Va., making the school the site of the deadliest shooting in U.S. history and the focal point for a renewed debate over gun control and mental health services.
In a written statement released in conjunction with the medical records, Virginia Tech released a statement saying the university believes the center's counselors acted "appropriately in their evaluation of Cho."
But can anyone complain, when it has become acceptable for mental health care providers to focus on handing out government funds to family and friends.
How could these overworked folks possibly have enough time to address patients needs.
28/29 Who's the holdout? Looks to be Salt Lake.
Just wanted to add--I'm glad I live in a county that feels it is important to safeguard the 2nd Amendment.
If I was in SL, I would be writing letters..........
http://www.utahsheriffs.org/USA-Home...t%20Letter.pdf
The problem with mental health and guns is the doctor - patient confidentiality agreement. I was talking with a gun loving doctor friend last night and he mentioned he currently has two patients that he would not let have guns if he was somehow allowed to submit their name into a background check. He said these two patients scare the crap outta him and there is currently nothing he can do.
Tap'n on my Galaxy G3
Somewhat of a conundrum, huh....Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Do we eliminate the sanctity of Dr./Patients confidentiality to feel safer?
Or do we abolish the 2nd Amendment to feel safer....?
I personally don't like either option.
The minute the medical profession can prescribe "law", we are in real trouble.
And please keep in mind--zero is placing the onus on eric holder to determine the definition of "dangerous people"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think "dangerous people" are ones who would send thousands of weapons to drug cartels.
Those who send thousands of weapons to drug cartels(holder) would likely consider me dangerous.
Tiananmen Square Protestor Speaks on 2nd Amendment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=miEmIfhfxuc
Terror Threat in PA.
I've always suspected the "hello kitty' models were dangerous.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...le-gun-threat/
And what happens when these terrorist get their hands on the full auto version, the horror........
Ted tells it:2thumbs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ilUKCqmXwTQ#!
Ted on putting biden and holder in charge of a gun task force...
"He then criticized the leadership of Obama's gun violence task force, saying that putting "crazy uncle" Biden and Attorney General Eric Holder in charge was akin to "hiring [serial killer] Jeffrey Dahmer to tell us to how to take care of our children."
The insanity continues.....
Today I sold a customized Ruger 10-22 for $1250. At Thanksgiving the rifle was worth half that much.
Also recently received letters from Ruger and Midway saying they were sorry to be out of product and they expect at least six months before they will have more.
Tap'n on my Galaxy G3
Using a draft dodger and pedophile to support any position with regard to anything seems silly to me...Quote:
Originally Posted by oldno7
Maybe he's got you in a stranglehold, baby...
Citations??Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
nice pun though.
How bout' "credible" citations.
If these had in fact been true, a person of his outspokenness would have long ago been assassinated by a media that hates him.
This kind of reminds me of my bil, who said he couldn't vote for Romney because he had held down a gay guy and cut his hair.
But he had seen 4 affidavits saying it was true.....:lol8:
Here, Brian, This one is guaranteed true, I promise.....
Alex Jones said it's true
http://www.prisonplanet.com/nobel-pe...-citizens.html