I'd like to know why the big push to register guns. I mean, it is to prevent mass shootings, right? So why does the government need a database of gun owners?Quote:
Originally Posted by hank moon
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I'd like to know why the big push to register guns. I mean, it is to prevent mass shootings, right? So why does the government need a database of gun owners?Quote:
Originally Posted by hank moon
Good question!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
The reasoning is straightforward: If a gun has been left at a crime scene and it was registered to the person who committed the crime, the registry will link the crime gun back to the criminal.
Nice logic, but in reality it hardly ever works that way. Guns are very rarely left behind at a crime scene. When they are, they're usually stolen or unregistered. Criminals are not stupid enough to leave behind guns that are registered to them. Even in the few cases where registered guns are left at crime scenes, it is usually because the criminal has been seriously injured or killed, so these crimes would have been solved even without registration.
Canada recently got rid of its costly "long-gun" registry for rifles in part because the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Chiefs of Police could not provide a single example in which tracing was of more than peripheral importance in solving a gun murder.
This is anther one of those sounds good in the media but the money would be better spent elsewhere ideas.
My take is you haven't reviewed the plan. Here's a snippet:Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime: The Attorney General will work with all United States Attorneys to continue to ensure that every appropriate resource is focused on preventing gun violence. To this end, the Attorney General will ask all U.S. Attorneys to consider whether supplemental efforts would be appropriate in their districts, in areas such as prosecutions of people who have been convicted of a felony and illegally seek to obtain a firearm, or people who attempt to evade the background check system by providing false information.
Here's the whole meal deal:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa..._time_full.pdf
Trust me.... I read the plan... and Biden also said what I posted... which was the point in time where the NRA told Biden he was wasting their time and they would take their case to the people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
FWIW: I thought the plan had some good stuff in it, to bad those ideas will get lost because they were wrapped in a turd sandwich.
Its kind of a big plan. Almost too much going on. Cuts across a heck of a lot of terrain. I like a fair bit of it too.
Big part of it seems to be the mental health angle. That's a good thing.
Be interesting to see what congress does with their part.
Dang, I almost missed this:haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by ratagonia
Kinda like the poo ooozing out of this catch phrase:Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
"Make sure dangerous people are prohibited from having guns:"
But, on the bright side, holder will be in charge, are you f-in kidding me?
holder gets to write the definition of "dangerous people", Nothing could go wrong there for gun owners:roll:
Serious poo here as well: It gets blurred by throwing in mental health, which it should. It gets absurd when it talks of medical doctors turned atf agents.
Protect the rights of health care providers to talk to their patients about gun safety:
Doctors and other health care providers also need to be able to ask about firearms in their
patients’ homes and safe storage of those firearms, especially if their patients show signs of
certain mental illnesses or if they have a young child or mentally ill family member at home.
Some have incorrectly claimed that language in the Affordable Care Act prohibits doctors from
asking their patients about guns and gun safety. Medical groups also continue to fight against
state laws attempting to ban doctors from asking these questions. The Administration will
issue guidance clarifying that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit or otherwise regulate
communication between doctors and patients, including about firearms.
This was a key point in DC v. Heller, seperating guns from ammo makes no sense.
Launch a national responsible gun ownership campaign: The Administration will
encourage gun owners to take responsibility for keeping their guns safe with a national
campaign. The campaign will promote common-sense gun safety measures like the use of gun
safes and trigger locks, separate storage of guns and ammunition, and the reporting of lost and
stolen weapons to law enforcement.
And the Good, This act alone, as I spelled out in a previous post, WOULD have prevented Columbine and likely Aurora and Sandy Hook
4: IMPROVIN G MEN TAL HEAL TH SER VICES
As President Obama said, “We are going to need to work on making access to mental health care as
easy as access to a gun.” Today, less than half of children and adults with diagnosable mental health
problems receive the treatment they need. While the vast majority of Americans with a mental
illness are not violent, several recent mass shootings have highlighted how some cases of mental
illness can develop into crisis situations if individuals do not receive proper treatment. We need to do
more than just keep guns out of the hands of people with serious mental illness; we need to identify
mental health issues early and help individuals get the treatment they need before these dangerous
situations develop.
WARNING..WARNING...WARNING.. this video is NSWF
DO NOT VIEW AT WORK OR IN FRONT OF CHILDREN, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED..
But dog gonnut it's funny:haha:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...;v=wSO_Jl7DFrg
Come on Scott, offer up some thought, not just a "hit and run link", Your better than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
I might wonder how many auto accidents happened in North Carolina today?
There were thousands of gun shows today, likely the most of any day of the year and your throwing out 3-injured??
What else ya got? Your good at math, what does that equate to in a %, if there were millions of gun owners at shows today?
I'm guessing more were injured or killed getting to the shows but that doesn't scream of an obvious agenda, does it.
So with no explanation on your behalf, it seems easy to conclude your not trying to inform us of news, rather a veiled attempt at sensationalism.
joe biden's remarks, credible?
This is the guy zero put in charge of the task force.(on gun control)
Yea, I trust him:roll:
"But a search of maps of the area in Lancaster County, Pa., shows the nearest golf course to the site of the shooting, Moccasin Run Golf Club, is about five miles away. Rodney King, the golf pro at Moccasin Run, said Friday he was working at the course on the day of the shooting and never saw Mr. Biden, who was then a U.S. senator.
“There’s a lot of things here that I find hard to believe,” Mr. King said. “I looked in my database, and he [Mr. Biden] is not in my database.”
Even if Mr. Biden had played at the course that day, Mr. King said, “It’s very far-fetched that he would have heard it.”
“I know he didn’t hear those gunshots,” Mr. King said. “They were inside the school. Even if they were outside, he wouldn’t have heard them.”
A spokeswoman for the vice president did not return a request seeking comment Friday. Mr. Biden told the story as he was describing for the mayors’ group the Obama administration’s efforts to enact new gun-control laws."
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I don't have extemely strong opinions on either side of the gun issue, so don't have any arguements to present. The article was posted asfront page news and I rolled my eyes at how dumb the guy was.Quote:
Come on Scott, offer up some thought, not just a "hit and run link", Your better than that.
If you really do want some thoughts and opinions, I have on the issue, I don't have any strong ones on where the line should be drawn on which weapons should be able to be owned by the public, but I do have opinions that punishment for people such as in the article above. Our prisons are already full and costly, so the punishment should be monetary. At a minimum anyone committing such a stupid crime should be fined enough money that they lose their house.
Punishment for violent crimes should be much swifter and harsher. Take the Aurora Theater shooting, for example. Due process is important. Everyone knows that James Holmes is guilty. I'd bet that these trials are going to cost the taxpayers millions. What exactly is to be debated in the courts? Have a fair, but speedy trial (one day should be more than enough in an obviously slam dunk case) and excecute the punishment immediately. End of story.
This is becoming quite common across the Country, Sheriffs,Governors,Attorney Generals,Legislatures.
When was the last time such a large array of Gov. officials, openly rebuked the pres.?
http://www.kutv.com/news/top-stories...vid_3516.shtml
Thanks for taking the time to post. I wholeheartedly agree with most of your statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
The only thing I'm not sure of is the amount of monetary penalty for being stupid and yes, there is no other conclusion that can be drawn on this accident other than STUPID HURTS.
My only real concern on the amount of monetary punishment is the precedent for other STUPID accidents.
Once again, thought provoking, thanks
And just so ya'alls don't accuse me of getting outdoors enough, but you would be right,lately.
Heres a pic of us out hiking and climbing with grandkids yesterday around turtle hill above St. George.
My 3 year old amazed me(the one holding my hand) He took instruction on climbing and downclimbing very well.
When we climbed our first hill(un remarkable by most standards) he jumped and yelled--"Papa,I made it", made my day.
Now back to our regularly scheduled program.............:mrgreen:
Bill Clinton's Warning:
He understands mid-terms:haha:
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ure-86443.html
That was. Interesting.... Slick Willy and me agree on something...Quote:
Originally Posted by oldno7
Go ahead gun control advocates. Just keep piling more baggage on the cart and soon enough it will be unmovable.
Tap'n on my Galaxy G3