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This is going to last a while.... Trump picked the battle, Trump defined the battlefield, and Trump choose a battle that if he loses it will cost him the 2020 election.
Trump has intentionally placed his back to the wall and left himself no exit but a complete victory... This will be interesting...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f5c6aef425.jpg
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"My way or the Flyaway!!!"
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I like how reading rg's post has the added benefit of having a word of the day calendar.
I try to change them weekly. Part of a personal goal to get more edumacated. Thought I'd bring others along for the ride.Quote:
Originally Posted by uintafly
All my life, I've pronounced it Non-pullsed.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
Government shutdown day 18.
Electricity still works, water is still running. No cool gangs to join yet.
Worst apocalypse ever!!!
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Ah yes, the movie "Them". I think our reality now is even weirder than that movie was.
It's funny you can tell he's somewhat fumbling with the cardboard glasses :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by BasinCruiser
President Trump is asking for $5.7 Billion out of an annual budget of $4.407 Trillion...In other words, President Trump is asking for $57 dollars out of an annual budget of $44,070....Think about that. Imagine your other half saying "we're not going back to work, the kids aren't getting their allowances, and no bills are getting paid until you give up the idea of spending $57 dollars to fence in our yard"...This is what Pelosi and Schumer have halted our government for.
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I think before this weekend is over, he'll declare the emergency and just get it over with. I've read that the cash is available from the military budget...construction projects or in this case, defensive fortifications. Everybody will be back to work by Monday. Ya! clean toilets again!
Lots of dirty poopers at Lake Mead last week.
Trump deserves credit for actually trying to work with these people. What I find hard to understand in all this is that there are people who have convinced themselves that he wants a physical structure from San Diego to Brownsville. I reckon these are the same folks that believe in ghosts even though they've never seen one.
I'm ready to fly to Hawaii for a month (Big Island) but I have to wait for the shutdown to end because access is denied to a backpacking beach that I'd spend about a third of my time...Halape in the national park. The moment this shutdown ends, I'll book the flight.
Yeah Trump will do it, he just wanted to prove to the world that the Dems are absolutely unwilling to work with him on anything. He knew it all along.
People don't give Trump the credit he deserves, but he's got all of this stuff planned 3 steps ahead of everybody. That's why he wins every time.
The nice thing about declaring an emergency is it sets great precedent down the road for future presidents. How many people die each year without insurance? Declare an emergency and institute single payer without congress. Too many shootings? Declare an emergency and restrict guns. Can't get congress on board with global warming? Who cares? declare an emergency and go that route. You can always find money somewhere for an emergency.
And before you think this is 3d chess that trump is winning, the polls disagree:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...wn-blame-game/
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...utdown-1088207
OK...so let's worry about that when it happens. BTW, presidential emergencies have been declared many times...including from your beloved Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by uintafly
Just hearing his name gives me stirrings. I just wish we had heart emojis.Quote:
Originally Posted by twotimer
I gotta admit, I agree with you on this one regarding the idea of just declaring an emergency and doing it. There's a reason we have 3 branches of government and it's a slippery slope when we start ignoring that and just going all nuts with this stuff. Even though I want the border secured and I think it's very important, I'm not a fan of Trump (or anyone else) just ramming it through without going through the proper channels.Quote:
Originally Posted by uintafly
We don't have heart emojis? What about wet kisses?
I think you get my point...Trump does anything and it's bad. The guy seems quite reasonable to me.
It's actually in our Constitution that the Prez had the power to do this...it's one of the proper channels. My view is that Congress is corrupted...the possibility of which is why it was put in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by devo_stevo
Border Security, to me, is a military matter.
The really stupid part in all of this is the Democrats want a secured border. They just don't want it to happen on Trump's watch because it's a big win for him on one of his signature issues.
The Democrats are stupid if they don't deal on this. At the moment they can deal and get something they want out of this. If Trump declares the border a National Emergency the Democrats get nothing in exchange for building a wall.
Congress, do your job!
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And this is the main issue that I see. At the end of the day, most reasonable people want the same things in life, but just because we don't like someone, we'll throw a fit about it and take our ball and go home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
If anything, this whole thing shows us all just how much the government has infiltrated our everyday lives. Some of it makes sense. Some of it is just stupid.
Interesting article on #FakeNews....
San Diego station claims CNN asked for local border wall perspective, but bailed when response favored Trump
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-favored-trump
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Originally Posted by devo_stevo
I'm just amazed that Chuck and Nancy are willing to die on this hill.
The money Trump is asking for is less than 0.1% of the federal budget.
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So far they aren't. Most people blame trump for the shutdown still.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
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Originally Posted by uintafly
When has Trump ever cared about, believed or bent to the wishes of polls?!?
Setting your talking points to whatever the latest poll says was Hillary's game, and it's also a big reason she is not President.
I want a leader that does what is right, does what they promise, ignores the polls, and leads from the front.
YMMV
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http://youtu.be/ORCVwMRo_bY
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The My Cousin Vinny one is much better than the bearded redneck.
Amid border wall debate, third drug tunnel found in less than a month along Arizona border
Mexican authorities discovered the tunnel in a town across the border from Nogales, Arizona, and they suspect it was used to smuggle drugs and people
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/2554567002/
This is a really interesting read....
America's Cold Civil War
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/ameri...anmedinsurance
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Whether justified or not, that is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by uintafly
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Just remember this.... we could have built 30 walls with the $150 Billion Obama gave Iran.
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Originally Posted by Iceaxe
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I wonder how Iran spent all that cash?
We already know what Iran did with the cash... they used to to fund terrorism, promote their anti Israel agenda, and spread their radical Shia brand of Islam.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
The Iranian leaders did not pour the money back into Iran or their economy, which was the intended purpose.
Fun fact - if you are a government worker, you are not a tax payer. You do not "pay taxes". You are paid IN taxes. Money is stolen from private sector workers and given to you. Your paycheck is stolen from my paycheck.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...53df0ccb41.jpg
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Lots of drama with the shutdown, eh? Catastrophe is just around the corner...babies should start dropping off from starvation any day now.
All that, PLUS...anybody in this country that isn't white is a beaten down slave, and Trump is a secret agent for Russia.
Ahhh...nice little history lesson, but I disagree with his speculation on it going hot. I don't see evidence that we're close to being at each others throats. I think most realize that politics and the media are a giant turd of bull wrapped with a little layer of what's really going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
The political circus is a bit concerning, though. Funny thing...I though this last election ('16) was certainly the most important in my lifetime, now it may be the next one.
I'm really curious to see who's left standing after the Dem primary is over. I don't think they'll be able to "anoint" someone like last time. Gonna be a battle royale.
A hot war was only one of his 5 predicted solutions. I think that is the least desirable solution, but it is a possibility, as it happened once before.Quote:
Originally Posted by twotimer
Personally I think one or both parties will eventually fracture and a new party will emerge. A one time both the Federalist and Whig parties were one of the two leading parties and both eventually fractured.
I predict it will be the Democratic party that will fracture as their is also currently a civil war inside the party between the moderates and the progressives. But they currently are united by their hatred of Trump.
The GOP could also fracture as I expect to see Romney make a presidential run in 2020. Romney running in 2020 is the only conceivably reason I can see for Romney starting a war as he did with Trump before he was even sworn into office.
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