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Sound logic. As a tax guy, makes sense. If am the people complaining about how much taxes trump paid, they are probably the majority of people who didn't pay any income taxes at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
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Honestly, the witch hunt going on over the tax thing is as bad as the birthers were with Obama. Maybe that's why they're doing this. Trump was one of the most outspoken of that bunch.
Anyone that has ever made any decent amount of money could tell you that it's pretty much impossible to get out of paying taxes on your earnings. To think that the guy who makes millions every year doesn't pay taxes is just sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the world we live in. I don't see any reason that his 2015 or 2016 returns would show much difference in the tax rate that he paid in 2005, and there is no way that he didn't pay anything.
That's the point. Transparency. Conflict of interest. We don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldno7
If Trumps financial issues are more a priority than the nations...then...that'd be an issue.
He's the only president since before Nixon who hasn't.
His business dealings and relationships are harder to follow than contributors to the Clinton Foundation (!!!).
This steel pipeline issue is interesting. Look at Nucor's stock. Etc. You think they'd a got a bump with all this talk of a trillion in infrastructure and pipelines made from US steel. But...between Russia and China...maybe there's deals out there...and the executive order that wasn't. Vows made and not followed through on.
I thought Rachael explained it well to Jimmy last night...its funny, she got confirmation from the white house that the return was legit. Just seems...weird...and, maybe a purposeful distraction?
I agree with you, but all high level politicians, including Democrats as well should show them in my opinion. Plus Trump promised to release them if he was elected. Even if he isn't required to why shouldn't he keep his promise? I would also speculate that Trump paid millions in taxes.Quote:
Anyone that has ever made any decent amount of money could tell you that it's pretty much impossible to get out of paying taxes on your earnings. To think that the guy who makes millions every year doesn't pay taxes is just sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the world we live in. I don't see any reason that his 2015 or 2016 returns would show much difference in the tax rate that he paid in 2005, and there is no way that he didn't pay anything.
Good point on Trump's insistence that Obama show his birth certificate. Trump not releasing his tax returns is hypocritical since he has promised to do so many times. In fact he said that he would release his tax returns when Obama released his birth certificate.Quote:
Honestly, the witch hunt going on over the tax thing is as bad as the birthers were with Obama. Maybe that's why they're doing this. Trump was one of the most outspoken of that bunch.
So we,re waiting on the Kenyan embassy still??:roflol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
Probably same place as Barry's wiretap of Trump...Quote:
Originally Posted by oldno7
Maybe they should check the microwave?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
McDonald's has it.Quote:
Originally Posted by uintafly
I don't know that i have an opinion on whether politicians should be compelled to release them or not, but I do agree that Trump promised to release them. Therefore I think that he should do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
One thing is for sure. The guy pays more in taxes in one year than I will likely earn in a lifetime, so there is that...
Trump would be a fool to release his taxes. As it stands now he has the left all standing in line crying over something that is perfectly legal.
If he releases his taxes he is doing nothing but giving the left ammunition. Line 1 of his taxes could be Trump cures cancer world wide and the left will just bitch he is taking jobs away from the health care industry.
Which is why folks think he probably did release the 2005 taxes...distraction?...and...maybe it was the last non-controversial one. White House did confirm it was "real".Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Kind of like when he reviewed his own book...
So far...no evidence of wire tapping. Geez, the guy wins and still thinks folks were trying to get the inside scoop on him? He's either paranoid, delusional, or...
He's probably still chapped about the popular vote and the photo's of the turnout for his inauguration...
Nothing like having the commander in chief focusing on the important stuff for the nation (insert your eye rolling emoticon here).
First 100 days...tick tick tick...
If Hillary won and didn't release her tax returns, it is a sure bet that the Republicans would cry foul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Trump promised to release his tax returns several times. Why shouldn't he keep his promise?
By the way, as far as curing cancer, Trump will be increasing cancer rates, not curing cancer. You can't allow a lot more pollution and not increase cancer rates.
If Clinton had won, and she didn't release them, the only one bitching about it would be some Republicans and Fox news...and the majority or the media would ignore it and cover her ass. It would be a non-story. Just like Bengazi and her claim of being shot at in Kosovo, to say the least. I'd bet she and her old man paid less that 25%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
So who wants to see Trumps returns? The very liberal media that would laugh if he were being burned alive, that's who. So he throws up the middle finger to them and flies off to (pick a state) and has a rally with 10,000 adoring fans. Those of us who support the guy don't care one wit about his tax returns, and he knows it.
So Trump is gonna throw down some cancer on us? He's going to allow his rich buddies to spew toxins into the air? Something I figured out LONG ago is that liberals (aside from being far too judgemental) always think someone is out to get them.
On a side note, this Russian nonsense is laughable...Obama said "Tell Vladmir I'll be more flexible after the election". He may as well have said, "Tell him my ass will be nice and high, all lubed up and ready for action". And they say Trump is too cozy with these guys?
Sorry Scott, I said a while back I wouldn't comment on you posts anymore, but this one just has wrong written all over it. BTW, check out my new signature.
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Show me your budget and I'll show you your values. More bombs, guns and enemies. A big kick in the nuts to the working poor...and science...and education...and the environment...and the arts...and neighborhood redevelopment...and on and on and on. Oh an privatizing air traffic controllers. Since it has worked so well in the prison industry, why not?
Maybe we can soon be like Ghina, and we can leave the inventing and advancement to other countries while we build their shit.
Uhh...the Clinton's did release their tax returns. Married filing jointly.Quote:
Originally Posted by twotimer
https://m.hrc.onl/secretary/10-docum...ature_Page.pdf
Folks picked and parsed these returns prior to the election.
But, there they are. The full deal. Warts and all.
31% tax rate.
She's released 39 years of tax returns...
Now, if Trump released his return for at least 2015, we'd see how closely he was tied to Russia (or not)...and whether he has America's best interests in mind...
Willful ignorance is a "thing"...when you bury your head in the sand...how's the view?
Isn't the IRS the "tax police"? I am quite certain that every candidate has had their taxes poured over by their herd of CPA's and that the IRS has vetted the tax returns also. So why, again, do we care? Seems that the attitude of both parties as it relates to tax returns is guilty until proven innocent. That folks, is un-American. If a person pays the taxes that they owe under the law, I don't need to arm chair quarterback every deduction. Do we not have anything more constructive to do? :facepalm1: Frankly, smart people hire other smart people to take every advantage of every law to pay ONLY what they must pay and not a penny more. There is no shame in that, there is no immorality in paying what you owe and deducting what you can. It seems that there are those who want to criticize a fair tax payment if the other guy is not your candidate. Somehow if he didn't pay extra or took a deduction they don't agree with they get all bent out of shape. Well, my thought is that if you pay extra to the government or don't take deductions you are legally entitled to I question your sanity. So why, again, do we care?
^^^THIS^^^
:coffee:
Been to the vault, and discovered Trump's tax returns
Transparency and to understand any conflict of interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Card
Also, in light of legislation proposed, budgets, etc, its interesting to see what the better half pays versus the people they govern. Would go towards understanding.
Do you not care about conflicts of interest?
Do you not care about someone who's governing you and their tax/budget/executive orders and their direction for the country especially given the path they've taken to become successful?
Or, is it enough that the man was on a popular reality TV show?
Did you care about the Clinton's and their source of wealth? If so, then why not Trump? Why does he get a pass?
Part of it for me, is, I'd like to see some of these tax loop holes closed especially the ones that are only available to the super wealthy...seems an unfair playing field to me. Bragging about paying no tax? I mean, I'm all for reducing the tax burden where it makes sense, and, trying to get rid of gov't bloat, but...
Funny...as tax season is upon us...and looking at Utah's flat tax. I'd like to see that at the federal level...
...everyone in the Animas river watershed agrees with this statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
I really don't think most people give a carp if Trump has a conflict of interest so long as he attempts to do what he promised.
You're right...Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politi...-turnout-2016/
Interesting...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...omise-tracker/
There's more than a few I'd like to see him pull off! Term limits...lobbyists...
Head in the sand?...Not really, as I haven't paid much attention to her and was unaware that they had put these things out. I hadn't heard a word about it. I also really don't care about anyone's returns as Scott Card's post really sums it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
I'll tell you what though...the Clintons need a new accountant or should hire one, because they overpaid by a million bucks. I'm self-employed and pay quarterly estimated...I figure their income must have been much higher in 2013 because your payments need to add up to the last years tax, or you're hit with a penalty...but they should have know by the last payment (Jan 15th) what the tax was based on the income. They got a million dollar refund, but why let the gov. hold on to that money? Weird.
It would be most Republican politicians and a lot of Republicans as well. The dems and reps are the same in this regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by twotimer
I was half joking, but yes Trump is going to roll back pollution standards (not among his friends, but among everyone). This really isn't disputed. Yes, personally I like to see clean air.Quote:
So Trump is gonna throw down some cancer on us? He's going to allow his rich buddies to spew toxins into the air?
Although most companies are ethical, there are plenty of them out of there that will poison the air and water to make extra money if you let them. I used to work for two such companies. Two of my ex bosses were indicted for consipracy for intentionally poisoning the city's water supply to save money on pollution controls. I have also been to a lot of countroes where there are lax standards on pollution. So yes, I do know what I'm talking about.
Obviously pollution standards do hurt buisness profits and rolling back pollution standards will increase profits. There has to be balance though. This is not an extremist viewpoint.
As far as judgemental goes, didn't you say that women democrats were a of bunch of hags or something similar? I think we can all be a little less judemental. :wink: Trump is pretty paranoid that everyone's out to get him too, or so it seems.Quote:
Something I figured out LONG ago is that liberals (aside from being far too judgemental) always think someone is out to get them.
You are right that a lot of liberals are judgemental and paranoid, but they aren't the only ones that are judgmental or paranoid.
PS, I mostly agree with you about Russia.
That's a great signature. You would also be better off to follow it as would I and everyone else as well.Quote:
BTW, check out my new signature.
Scott, you're just too damn nice! But that's a good thing, I reckon.
The "liberal old hags" thing is really just a reflection of extremely feminist, older ladies that seem to be constantly angry and spoiling for a fight. Believe me, I've met plenty of them...last summer in particular I did a lot of hikes with groups of people from the Colorado Mountain Club, and there were always at least a few gals all jacked up about Trump...I tried to avoid talking about politics with them, but they fish it out of you anyway. Even when I said "Please, let's not talk about this stuff"...they'd just blow right past that and want to argue. This literally happened every other weekend last summer. It sucked because when they ignore my request I'm forced to lay down a verbal smackdown...and then after that most of them want to flirt! That sucks too because the term "Desperate but not serious" applies most of the time, so you've got to deal with that, too. That's the judgemental part, as it seems to be the first thing they want to know about you...but I can tell you that being a single guy means you're always being sized up one way or another. It's ALWAYS political with the feminist types. Funny how they date and marry these wimpy guys but want to be with a strong one, but can't bring themselves to do it.
I've been told that people know I'm a "conservative type" just by the way I walk into a room. I'm a pretty confident guy, and I guess it shows. Works great for business though, let me tell ya. I don't say a damn thing but liberal women approach me for a dust up anyway...of course I don't think that all of them are angry hags, but recently I've been crashing into a lot of those.
Enough of my feminist rant...it's just been extra strange this last year.
BTW, have fun in Jamaica...perhaps sample some of the herb? :naughty:
Thanks! :2thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by twotimer
It has been raining the entire time and with flooding and power outages! We went caving today because it doesn't rain underground. Today there was a high of 73 with heavy rain on the coast. Back home in Craig Colorado of all places I read that it is sunny and 75!
Anyway, we'll still have fun.
Laugh for the day!
A CNN reporter walks into a neighborhood tavern and is about to order a drink when he sees
a guy at the end of the bar wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat. It didn’t take an Einstein to know the guy was a Donald Trump supporter.
The CNN guy shouts over to the bartender, loudly enough that everyone in the bar could hear,
“Drinks for everyone in here, bartender, except for that Trump supporter.”
After the drinks were handed out the Trump guy gives the CNN guy a big smile, waves at him and says, in an equally loud voice, “Thank you!”
This infuriates the CNN reporter. So he once again loudly orders drinks for everyone except the guy wearing the Trump hat.
As before, this doesn’t seem to bother the Trump guy. He just continues to smile and again yells, “Thank you!”
So the CNN guy again loudly orders drinks for everyone except the Trump guy. And again the Trump guy just smiles and yells back, “Thank you!”
At that point the aggravated CNN reporter asks the bartender, “What the hell is the matter with that Trump supporter?
I’ve ordered three rounds of drinks for everyone in the bar but him and all the silly ass does is smile and thank me. Is he nuts?”
“Nope,” replied the bartender. “He owns the place.”
haha. Finally, somebody says something that actually makes sense in Washington DC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
Obamacare was only the beginning of the end for the health insurance and health care industry in the US. From what I've heard on the new steaming pile of crap coming from the republicans, it's worse. I've already talked about what Obamacare has done for me and my family. I can only imagine that Trumpcare will only do the same to many, many more people. I'm not impressed.
drip drip drip drip
http://time.com/4710342/john-mccain-...ial-committee/
Oh and remember all of the Obama golfs too much gibberish? Does that only apply to dems?
http://www.ibtimes.com/how-much-do-p...-obama-2510471
Yea! I defeated Trump with the power of kittens!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
Meanwhile democrats spend their days looking for a Russian unicorn.
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No shit...the whole thing is like a retarded circus. I'll tell you what's even worse, Chuck Schumer. I couldn't have imagined that they'd dredge up someone more annoying than Harry Reid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
,.,.
Partisan politics aside...really?Quote:
Originally Posted by twotimer
A unicorn?
I'm old enough to remember Watergate. That took two years to unravel. This time, the job was outsourced to the Russians. That smells of treason to me.
You really don't think this is an issue?
100 days...he might make it. Four years? We'll see.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images...64fdc237fd.jpg
Tell ya what, let's meet back here in 2 years, March 2019, and when they still haven't found that Trump was involved with the Russian hacking, let's all agree that it was a stupid excuse for Hillary losing the election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC