Count me in for that 12th spot on your Subway permit! :banana:
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Count me in for that 12th spot on your Subway permit! :banana:
I just scooped up a site in Watchman on Saturday night and I'd like to crash in the group site and BBQ on Sunday. Any details on the BBQ part as far as what to bring or how all of that usually works? This is my first Bogley Fest. Stoked! :mrgreen:
Do we have an alternate in case it doesn't open in time? It would be a long day but maybe a peek into the barracks?Quote:
Originally Posted by ststephen
http://www.citrusmilo.com/zionguide/barracks.cfm#map
I'm in the market for a place to sleep saturday night, could I impose? We could even carpool to the Subway sunday morning...Quote:
Originally Posted by ibenick
Im in the same boat Don :hail2thechief:Quote:
Originally Posted by Don
You've got it, I'll email you the details.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don
I would be happy to have you stay in my site as well but there is one possible issue. My reservation says the site is limited to 2 vehicles and 6 people. Obviously that's under the people limit, just not sure if there is some other place to park? I've never camped in Watchman CG, anyone know? Or maybe someone else from the group camping that night has room for an extra vehicle at their spot nearby? Also, is there a decent amount of tent space in these spots for more than a couple of tents? If we can figure that out, you are totally welcome, Pubalz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pubalz
Wonder if there Is there over night parking in the visiter center parking lot ? :ne_nau:
Only one night and an early morning out; I doubt I'll put up a tent. I'm sure we can find a place to stash a car for a night. I'm looking forward to it!
I might come up for the BBQ. Can I hitch a ride with someone? :lol8:
The gas it takes to get there :scared: what time can I get into the park without paying? after 7pm?
Sweet. Sounds like you've got a spot with us on Saturday, Pubalz. I'll email you the details.
Chere and I are in an interesting pinch and curious as to some solutions. We will be driving in from STG to hike Subway on Sunday, pending it's opening. We have to leave our kiddos all day in STG which isn't a big deal since my oldest is 16 and they are fine to be alone. I've heard Subway is an all day hike. At what time are we starting the hike and at what time is an anticipated finish? How in the world are we going to hike all day, drive back to STG (no idea how long that takes) to get kiddos and come back to the BBQ? That sounds like a lot of work/drivetime.......suggestions? Especially after hiking all day? Am I being a weenie?:cry1:
it takes me about 40 minutes from my house to zion so.
santa clara -> washington -> hurricane -> la verkin -> springdale
so about an hour an a half round trip for me..
And we can aim for an early am start time. Trailhead coffee can be ready at 5 in the morning if you want to go that early...
:scared:Quote:
Originally Posted by Don
How many hours is typical for the subway?
I've read 7-9. I'm so out of shape so I plan 10. HAHA!!:lol8:Quote:
Originally Posted by ibenick
Here is a write-up of my favorite trip through the Subway: http://www.bogley.com/forum/showthre...ubway-07-12-09
The Subway should not be rushed. You should get an early start and enjoy the experience. :2thumbs:
Nice write up. Probably the best photo-free trip report ever. I'm ready to start at 5am now. :mrgreen:Quote:
Originally Posted by Felicia
Subway still closed from the top. I have a reservation for the 21st. Looks like you guys are on the 19th. I'm nervous it might not be opened by then. Anybody know if going from the bottom is worth it. How far can you go up the canyon before having to turn around?
If you have never been, going from the bottom is a very enjoyable adventure and is worth considering.Quote:
Originally Posted by ocanler
Thank you! My mind's eye sees more of that trip than any other of times I've been in Subway. I long to get back in there again. Soon, someday soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by ibenick
I am glad you said that! I've been on hikes/canyons where the group is Type A and it's about how fast they can bomb it out. One particular trip, I didn't get near the photos I wanted as a result. Thanks for saying this Felicia! I agree.:lol8::nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by Felicia
I was watching the reservations for Watchman hoping to get a site on Friday and noticed another site pop-up for Saturday night. I snagged it so now we have two sites available for anyone who needs a spot to crash that night.
I've been so swamped recently, but now I'm back ready to focus on this Fest!
On the Subway hike, yes we should plan on an early start and have a back-up destination in mind. I propose meeting at the VC at 6:30. As to the back-up destination I'm going to start some queries on that. Perhaps Parunweep (especially thinking about Mineral Gulch) but we need to consider flow rates up there too.
On the BBQ: In general if folks bring their own meat/main dish and something to share (appetizer, salad, dessert) that will work out well. Jman talked about bringing a box of burgers and buns and it's great if folks bring something extra to share as well. I'm assuming the group site has several tables (since it can host 40 campers). We need some folks to sign up for charcoal as well. We have group site E001 and you can start to use it after 12pm. It's prepaid and under my name (Paul Stevens).
Saturday: is there still a group interested in a Gooseberry Mesa MTB ride? I will be coming from Springdale with my friends from Santa Cruz. Who else wants to ride in the AM? I think I may hit Keyhole in the PM as well. We could also pick a restaurant and time for Saturday evening to meet for food or drinks.
Alison & Chere: seems like there are a few folks who will come to the BBQ from StG. Maybe one of them could drive your kids? Is it 3 or 4 between you? Offer to pay for round-trip gas maybe? :naughty: The other option is to turn them loose in the NP for the day with food and some $. Is the 16 yo trustworthy to be the shepherd for the day? I agree the RT drive will suck after the hike.
I was hoping we could meet at the trailhead. (6 or 6:30 works for me.) I guess we'd have to pre-coordinate the car shuttle, but that's easy. If we meet at the VC at 6:30 I doubt we'll get on the trail before 8...Quote:
Originally Posted by ststephen
I'll bring some charcoal and a dutch oven or two to the BBQ. I was thinking I'd make some dutch oven dessert. I'll also be bringing Utah beer and plan to camp in the group site sunday night.
I'd like to get into Mineral Gulch as well. Seems like a good alternate, depending on water flow. If flow is too high and the subway is closed, what's our alternate to the alternate?
Also, Saturday morning a group of us are looking at a family hike into Taylor Creek in the kolob section. We will be bringing kids so it won't be an early start or a fast pace. More on that as the plan firms up. Here's Taylor Creek info: http://www.citrusmilo.com/zionguide/taylorcreek.cfm
Ill bring some kind chili, Venson,elk,or antalope if people are cool with that and some real beer :haha:. PS Don did you get that PM?
On Subway meet up: we probably need to first confirm if a group is doing Das Boot. The Booters need more time. As I recall Pubalz was going to try for a permit day before? Maybe we set a slightly later meeting time at the TH for non-Booters and then if the permit materializes the Das Boot group subtracts some time from that for their start?
Cool with real beer? Oh. Yes. :cool2:
Ill be in the park on friday if not earlyer, Ill get the 6 walk in premits on sat
If Subway opens up, what are the chances Das Boot will also be open?
Don't be knock'n the Utah beer Don is talking about until you try it! Some dam fine stuff if I might say so myself. This isn't the canned Budweiser Light crap ya know. Epic "Brainless" and Wasatch "Hell's Keep" are :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pubalz
If Alison and I can work out the BBQ thing I will bring pulled pork and maybe some sunshine cookies if Don will share that Utah beer with me.
Don't know what I am doing Sat morning as I am torn between mountain biking and the family hike. Seriously I need a clone! Send one to the hike and one to bike. I know my kids were really looking forward to Keyhole but still don't know if Sarah's arm will be up to the challenge. If I bike that is a long way back to grab them for Keyhole and if we hike they most likely will be tired.
Can't wait to see ya all!
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Originally Posted by blueeyes
I am bringing Colorado beer. I just thought I'd share that with ya'll! It is a very important piece of information. And that Utah beer Chere had in Moab 2 weeks ago was KICK ASS! We will be sharing. :nod: Regarding the BBQ- if we make it, I have no clue what I am bringing.
There are some damn fine beers made in Utah now, so when I mention Utah beer it is a kind of joke about crappy Utah beer but I'm talking about good Utah beer and I'll have a special bottle just for you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pubalz
Beer is still on-topic in a canyon fest thread right?
Is it even possible to fest without beer??:ne_nau:
Im looking forward to trying some good Utah beer:2thumbs:.
Probably. But as far as I've been able to ascertain it doesn't happen with this crowd! Yeah, Don you showed me some mighty fine UT brews in September. I'll make sure to bring some of NoCal's best just to keep the cultural exchange going.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldno7
Kurt - are we going to see you on Sunday? Or maybe come join us for a cold one on Saturday somewhere in Springdale?
Sure am. (glad you read the calendar - heh) I'm bringing a group of 8 (including myself, and 6 of them are noobs) to the BBQ only. We're not drinkers so be sure to bring some ROOTED beer (:bootyshake:) for us. I won't be able to bring any condiments except ketchup and mustard, so hopefully others can bring that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ststephen
Also, we won't be doing any canyons with the group unfortunately, as we have plans outside the park. But the fire and BBQ should be a lot of fun.
On a sidenote, I'm sure there will be thousands of pics between everyone during this fest, so what if someone brought there laptop with a multi-memory card reader, and that person can get the pics and vids from everyone, and give each group a DVD of the pics/vids of their canyons. That way, you don't have to dropbox everything... Just a suggestion that may or may not be useful to you guys.
Also (my last one, I swear, lol), just a hiking suggestion for those who are not canyoneering. There is a hidden waterfall near Weeping Rock, that everyone passes but is a awesome road-side attraction. It's called Menu Falls, and I'll try to pull up a map for ya if you are interested. It's a very quick hike - like 10min one way. A lot of visitors (even vets) don't know about it.
I'll find a way to make it to the BBQ, no drinking for me, looks like I'll have to drive back home the same night.
I can bring my laptop, only about an hour of life unless someone has a hook up. instead of cd's it would be faster if everyone brought SD cards, or thumb drives.
I called again the backcountry desk to see if there was any update on when Subway will be re-opened. I received a vague answer that the situation will be assessed within a week. It seems that the answer depends on who you talk to. Has anybody be through the bottom in the last few days? Is it still gushing?
I get the feeling they are not in a hurry to re-open it.http://www.bogley.com/forum/images/smilies/cry.gif
I called today and they were checking it out and would know by this afternoon, they also had 4 reservations available for Subway on friday at the zion reservations site.
I sure wish I would have found this site earlier. My friend and I have had our trip to Zion planned since January and it just so happens to be during all of this. We fly into Vegas the 16th and will be leaving the 23rd. I would love the opportunity to get together with some fellow enthusiasts and have an opportunity to gain some more knowledge about canyoneering. Sean and I were out there last March and did our first couple canyons then and have been looking forward to getting back and really spending some more time in the area. I would love to meet up at the BBQ if there is still room, and possibly camp at the group site Sunday night also. Please let me know if that would work.
Thanks,
Chris
Hi Chris - yep still plenty of room at the group site. It holds 40 folks. I signed up for the minimum (20) to keep the initial cost low (it's $3/person) but we'll just increase it when we see how many people are coming. I think there might be 10 campers so far, but I haven't kept close track. The more the merrier!
Anybody heard anything more about Subway?