Really sad. 20 year old died in a rappelling accident near Teardrop Arch (Moab).

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Originally Posted by Mountaineer

How did they do the water knot in this test? Was it rethreaded?

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Yes.

That is essentially the only way to make a Water Knot.

What are you thinking? perhaps an EDK-webbing, which is not a Water Knot?

Tom :moses:

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Originally Posted by Carr21

Honestly. I think it was such a fluke, it was just his time.

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Regardless of whether its someone's time or not, it wasn't a "fluke", per se. Not a "sometimes things happen" situtation.

Even very very experienced folks make mistakes. We try to learn why and what happened, incorporate any lessons, and try to be diligent in the field with our safety.

I'd be curious to know if there are any details.

What do we know? That a recent group found no webbing at the anchor?

Anything else?

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Originally Posted by rclimb

There is more to this then we know. I took a group down this march 3 and this is how it was setup at that time. There was a not at the tree and at the rapid link and the water knot was in the middle of them both. the end of the knot was about 4' and the webbing look new. It webbing was a little long making it a little hard to start for some people in the group.Attachment 64433
it look like this

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Any idea why there would be three knots in this webbing when you could build essentially the same anchor with one?

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Originally Posted by canyoncaver

Any idea why there would be three knots in this webbing when you could build essentially the same anchor with one?

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Masterpoint isolation.

Having two knots in the system, one close to the anchor and one close to the rapide, will create a length of two independent strands. I use this often when the webbing is going over a sharp edge. Tie the knots so that the two independent strands are going over the edge. It does make for a more awkward start, but only for the last person (all others can use a "courtesy" butterfly knot in the webbing away from the edge for an easier start).

Two deaths in Moab nearly a week apart. Be careful out there: http://www.bogley.com/forum/showthre...l=1#post530691

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Originally Posted by moabmatt

Having two knots in the system, one close to the anchor and one close to the rapide, will create a length of two independent strands. \

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Thanks for the explanation!