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I think the gas prices are why Carpey is willing to let me come along, we will have three people to split gas, so that should help. I just need to work some overtime and save my pennies. It would be a monster day, plus end of October it will be dark around 7:00, but yea, if we started really early in the morning we could knock out Baboon before dark, it's pretty short and easy (unless something in there changes of course).

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At the rate things are going, we're gonna have to find a 4th person to pay the 7.50 a gallon across the Yukon... Or buy a motorcycle, dumb and dumber style. :five:

Sounds like we have enough interest; and seems like Oct 23 - 27 would work. Is this going to go? (I'm starting to plan out my October, so just want to know...)

Take care,
A.J.

I can drive down the evening of the 22nd and drive back either the 27th or 28th. I'm game.

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I can drive down the evening of the 22nd and drive back either the 27th or 28th. I'm game.

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I realize that I screwed up the dates on a previous post. I teach Tuesdays and Thursdays. I could drive down on the afternoon of the 23rd, and would have to hike out on the 27th. It sounds like you guys have a day or two more than I. One possibility: if you all want to drive down on the 22nd , maybe you could do one of the easier canyons on the 23rd and I could meet you on the afternoon of the 23rd (down in Halls Creek) and we could do Smilling Cricket the following day (or following 2 days). If that doesn't work with you guys that's fine, though I would really like to do Smiling Cricket with everyone.

From Dennis Turville's story (posted on Stefan's Canyone Talez site) it sounds like maybe Smiling Cricket could be done in one day.

Nat

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From Dennis Turville's story (posted on Stefan's Canyone Talez site) it sounds like maybe Smiling Cricket could be done in one day.

Nat

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And, of course, need I suggest it? The true challenge would be to do it clean.

Tom

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From Dennis Turville's story (posted on Stefan's Canyone Talez site) it sounds like maybe Smiling Cricket could be done in one day.

Nat

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And, of course, need I suggest it? The true challenge would be to do it clean.

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I'm not a purist so I'd be happy just to do it, but that would be an interesting challenge. Got any ideas Tom, for sending the 50ft deep, 50ft wide pothole without the bolts for the pendulum?

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From Dennis Turville's story (posted on Stefan's Canyone Talez site) it sounds like maybe Smiling Cricket could be done in one day.

Nat

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i wonder if it was full ? otherwise solving all the problems and drilling all the bolts had to suck up some time. those people were definitely good. we didn;t gert a sunrise or earlier start, and were relaxing, so maybe that held us up more ? as well as my allergies killing me and slowing me down even more. i also like their name MUCH better. when i read "poe canyon" i thought, well duh, that makes perfect sense.

and i thought it was 40' wide x 50' deep. the diameter may be exagerated, but me n mark r still 100% sure it was a good 30' diameter. so don't call me a liar if it turns out smaller. we were shell shocked ! and i firmly believe it is ~50' deep from solid bottom to lip.

Interesting thread, even for a non-canyoneer. Hope you all get together for a full attack on this one in the fall.

By the way, shaggy and carpey, some advice for your return from Alaska. use the Cassiar Highway and stop off in Hyder. In the summer, there are lots of bears there and a viewing stand that puts you right on top of them. Even if there are no bears at the time you will be there, some beautiful glaciers will be there and you get a great view of them. In Terrace, BC, they have white Black Bears (mutants), if you can find one. This entire route back to Jasper is very scenic.

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From Dennis Turville's story (posted on Stefan's Canyone Talez site) it sounds like maybe Smiling Cricket could be done in one day.

Nat

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And, of course, need I suggest it? The true challenge would be to do it clean.

Tom

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I'm not a purist so I'd be happy just to do it, but that would be an interesting challenge. Got any ideas Tom, for sending the 50ft deep, 50ft wide pothole without the bolts for the pendulum?

Nat

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I'm thinking multiple potshots. A throw that far can't have much weight in it, so you have to set up multiple fairly light potshots for the toss. Which means bringing 4 - 6 potshots, AND enough ropes to have ends for them all. 6mm pull cord would do. Take all 4 together, and put a bachman knot on em.

But... much, MUCH better in this situation if there is enough water to make a fall in acceptable. Also have to consider what the lip looks like. Would be a bummer to prusik up that far, then not be able to get over the lip without losing the grip on your potshot anchor.

Note: natural anchor games - fun. But not worth risking your life over.

Careful judgment should be exercised, which the cool, calm, experienced and skilled Nat I know can apply well. A belay from above might be useful, if the geometry works. Maybe this storm dumped some water in there, or it will be a rainy season and there will be a bit more water in there...

Tom

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From Dennis Turville's story (posted on Stefan's Canyone Talez site) it sounds like maybe Smiling Cricket could be done in one day.

Nat

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And, of course, need I suggest it? The true challenge would be to do it clean.

Tom

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I'm not a purist so I'd be happy just to do it, but that would be an interesting challenge. Got any ideas Tom, for sending the 50ft deep, 50ft wide pothole without the bolts for the pendulum?

Nat

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I'm thinking multiple potshots. A throw that far can't have much weight in it, so you have to set up multiple fairly light potshots for the toss. Which means bringing 4 - 6 potshots, AND enough ropes to have ends for them all. 6mm pull cord would do. Take all 4 together, and put a bachman knot on em.

But... much, MUCH better in this situation if there is enough water to make a fall in acceptable. Also have to consider what the lip looks like. Would be a bummer to prusik up that far, then not be able to get over the lip without losing the grip on your potshot anchor.

Note: natural anchor games - fun. But not worth risking your life over.

Careful judgment should be exercised, which the cool, calm, experienced and skilled Nat I know can apply well. A belay from above might be useful, if the geometry works. Maybe this storm dumped some water in there, or it will be a rainy season and there will be a bit more water in there...

Tom

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Tom, why don't you join us (I am hoping for an October 24 (or 24-25) descent of smiling cricket. Still haven't heard from the others if this schedule works) ? Ram sounded intersested.

So, with multiple potshots the first person goes in and ascends other side, and provides meat anchor for everyone else? I always carry jumars which would make turning the lip not so hard, but yeah, several ft of water in the pool would make it less puckery.

As far as the "cool, calm, experienced and skilled Nat" goes, I should note that Tom observed me a couple of months ago clip into the wrong (unprotected) end of the rappel rope at the top of a rap in Telephone Canyon. :haha:

Nat

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Originally Posted by nat

From Dennis Turville's story (posted on Stefan's Canyone Talez site) it sounds like maybe Smiling Cricket could be done in one day.

Nat

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And, of course, need I suggest it? The true challenge would be to do it clean.

Tom

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I'm not a purist so I'd be happy just to do it, but that would be an interesting challenge. Got any ideas Tom, for sending the 50ft deep, 50ft wide pothole without the bolts for the pendulum?

Nat

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I'm thinking multiple potshots. A throw that far can't have much weight in it, so you have to set up multiple fairly light potshots for the toss. Which means bringing 4 - 6 potshots, AND enough ropes to have ends for them all. 6mm pull cord would do. Take all 4 together, and put a bachman knot on em.

But... much, MUCH better in this situation if there is enough water to make a fall in acceptable. Also have to consider what the lip looks like. Would be a bummer to prusik up that far, then not be able to get over the lip without losing the grip on your potshot anchor.

Note: natural anchor games - fun. But not worth risking your life over.

Careful judgment should be exercised, which the cool, calm, experienced and skilled Nat I know can apply well. A belay from above might be useful, if the geometry works. Maybe this storm dumped some water in there, or it will be a rainy season and there will be a bit more water in there...

Tom

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Tom, why don't you join us (I am hoping for an October 24 (or 24-25) descent of smiling cricket. Still haven't heard from the others if this schedule works) ? Ram sounded intersested.

So, with multiple potshots the first person goes in and ascends other side, and provides meat anchor for everyone else? I always carry jumars which would make turning the lip not so hard, but yeah, several ft of water in the pool would make it less puckery.

As far as the "cool, calm, experienced and skilled Nat" goes, I should note that Tom observed me a couple of months ago clip into the wrong (unprotected) end of the rappel rope at the top of a rap in Telephone Canyon. :haha:

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If'n you toss 4 potshots with 4 - 6mm cords attached (usually, one each), then you will need to 'jumar' the 4 cords together - for which a Bachman is probably the preferred knot. The problem is, often on this kind of thing, as you get to the process of getting up onto the lip, you end up pulling harder on the rope, and the dodgy potshot anchor can slip or come over on top of you. Hopefully, that would result in a sudden drop into deep-enough water, and considerable frustration. Etc.

October 24th or so - works for me! Consider me on the team.

Tom

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If'n you toss 4 potshots with 4 - 6mm cords attached (usually, one each), then you will need to 'jumar' the 4 cords together - for which a Bachman is probably the preferred knot. The problem is, often on this kind of thing, as you get to the process of getting up onto the lip, you end up pulling harder on the rope, and the dodgy potshot anchor can slip or come over on top of you. Hopefully, that would result in a sudden drop into deep-enough water, and considerable frustration. Etc.

October 24th or so - works for me! Consider me on the team.

Tom

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That's great! If there are a large number of us, perhaps we can split into a couple of groups.

Yeah, I realized after posting my last post why you mentioned a Bachman. On the other hand, although I haven't checked, I suspect that a jumar would fit over four 6ml cords.

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If'n you toss 4 potshots with 4 - 6mm cords attached (usually, one each), then you will need to 'jumar' the 4 cords together - for which a Bachman is probably the preferred knot. The problem is, often on this kind of thing, as you get to the process of getting up onto the lip, you end up pulling harder on the rope, and the dodgy potshot anchor can slip or come over on top of you. Hopefully, that would result in a sudden drop into deep-enough water, and considerable frustration. Etc.

October 24th or so - works for me! Consider me on the team.

Tom

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That's great! If there are a large number of us, perhaps we can split into a couple of groups.

Yeah, I realized after posting my last post why you mentioned a Bachman. On the other hand, although I haven't checked, I suspect that a jumar would fit over four 6ml cords.

Nat

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I've tried something like that, but it does not weight the strands equally. Of course, a Bachman may not either.

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A bachman/prussik/etc will definitely work better than a mechanical in that instance. Have done similar tests before...

Count on three of us from Boulder, CO. I'd like to hit the three canyons in that area all on the same trip. I can make time available; and am currently planning on a 10/23 drive out; 10/24 hike in, canyon? 10/25 - 10/27 canyons, and maybe hike out on 10/27 or 10/28. If I remember, there are three canyons around there, and if we are hiking all that way in, might as well hit all three. I am a little flexible too; so if we need to swing a day or two either way (or add more time), I'm game. Let's solidify dates and plans!

Take care,
A.J.

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A bachman/prussik/etc will definitely work better than a mechanical in that instance. Have done similar tests before...

Count on three of us from Boulder, CO. I'd like to hit the three canyons in that area all on the same trip. I can make time available; and am currently planning on a 10/23 drive out; 10/24 hike in, canyon? 10/25 - 10/27 canyons, and maybe hike out on 10/27 or 10/28. If I remember, there are three canyons around there, and if we are hiking all that way in, might as well hit all three. I am a little flexible too; so if we need to swing a day or two either way (or add more time), I'm game. Let's solidify dates and plans!

Take care,
A.J.

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That time frame is good for me. I can drive down from SLC on the 23rd, and hike in on the 24th. It sounds like maybe the shortest of the 3 could be done on that day. I'd like to do Cricket on the 25th (or 25-26th if necessary). I'll probably have to hike out on the 27th.

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I'm also good for those dates. :2thumbs:

Okay, it sounds like we are fairly well set with the dates; most people are available around the same timeframe. I am happy to do the final details of organizing if we want. We could do it here, but it might be easier just to do it over e-mail. How about this; those interested, PM me, or just e-mail me at aj(at)meet-outdoors(dot)com. Give me the dates/times you are available, and we'll put the big picture together.

Of importance, who knows exactly where these canyons are? I know they are in the Waterpocket Fold from the Canyon Tales website ( http://www.math.utah.edu/~sfolias/ca...php?i=turville) ; but hope that someone has more info than that. I took a look at some maps, and wasn't really sure of the exact location. As an aside, I think it's pretty funny, that the canyons are "S", "O", "L"... Omen? ;)

Take care,
A.J.

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As an aside, I think it's pretty funny, that the canyons are "S", "O", "L"... Omen? ;)

Take care,
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yeah, i thought that was pretty funny too. the other 2 are straightforward i was told. only poe has the nastys.

poe -

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/11825663
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/12742173

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As an aside, I think it's pretty funny, that the canyons are "S", "O", "L"... Omen? ;)

Take care,
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yeah, i thought that was pretty funny too. the other 2 are straightforward i was told. only poe has the nastys.

poe -

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/11825663
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/12742173

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Geez,...I hate to display my ignorance. Is this "S", "O","L" some kind of youth culture thing that us geriatrics are too old to get? :ne_nau:

Nat

"S" is not a beginner canyon for sure, some short but serious stemming sections involved (Turville says they called it worming). "O" is straightforward and nothing too difficult unless a pothole scours deeper than what we found or something. Poe sounds pretty intense! Kinda interesting that he says "S" was a half day and "O" he talks like was a full day, it was the opposite for us, "O" seemed short and quick, (we did 3/4 of the hike out after it) "S" had a fair amount of meat on it. Crazy to think those bolts are 30 years old! Anyone going down there, use them with caution!

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Geez,...I hate to display my ignorance. Is this "S", "O","L" some kind of youth culture thing that us geriatrics are too old to get? :ne_nau:

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"S" is not a beginner canyon for sure, some short but serious stemming sections involved (Turville says they called it worming).

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oops, my bad ! guess it is all a matter of perspective...

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Geez,...I hate to display my ignorance. Is this "S", "O","L" some kind of youth culture thing that us geriatrics are too old to get? :ne_nau:

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:haha: Thanks Jason.

I guess the cat is out of the bag already isn't it. I just made my album from our trip (after Jason's scouting but before his epic trip through Cricket) down Baboon and Happy Dog public instead of private. All I had was my cell phone camera so the pictures are... uhhh... of the crappiest quality, but are better than nothing. Here is a link:

http://picasaweb.google.com/ericgodf...lsCreekCanyons

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I guess the cat is out of the bag already isn't it. I just made my album from our trip (after Jason's scouting but before his epic trip through Cricket) down Baboon and Happy Dog public instead of private. All I had was my cell phone camera so the pictures are... uhhh... of the crappiest quality, but are better than nothing. Here is a link:

http://picasaweb.google.com/ericgodf...lsCreekCanyons

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they may be crappy but their still pretty good. :2thumbs:

you ought to loosen up the strings on some other private stock too. :popcorn:

i got a friend who wants to go through poe now that we've done the hard work. always the chiding for the risks taken, but the 1st to want a guided tour. :roll: maybe i can talk 'em into happy dog and baboon laughs instead. if we do poe i want to replace those bolts at the "pit and the pendulum", the crux keeper. and others. they are all pretty old.

if anyone would be interested in september 26-29 thats our dates. are trying to set up a shuttle from the lake to save the hassle of the drive in/hike in. we also like small groups. 3 fro sure as of now, waiting on a 4th. mark doesn't want to do that crux lead again either, so were looking for a ballsy type who has aid climbing/big wall experience. i don't mind leading it. it was scary as helll 1st time, but after seeing what it took i would take a crack. only thing is i do not have the decade(s) experience mark or his buds have. plus the rebolting while up there is an issue. how the hell did they do it in teh 1st place ?!?

anyway we'd welcome 1or 2 more w/ good solid aid climbing skills if you want to beat the rush and do it whiler its still hot...

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you ought to loosen up the strings on some other private stock too. :popcorn:

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Sorry, that's all the private stock I have, I haven't had a camera for the last two years so that was all (I had just gotten my new cell phone and decided to try taking pics to see how they turned out).

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if anyone would be interested in september 26-29 thats our dates. are trying to set up a shuttle from the lake to save the hassle of the drive in/hike in.

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I checked out the shuttle before we did it, something like $114 per hour with an hour minimum (the shuttle to Halls would fall under an hour, but of course you would have to pay once there and again back) and a max of 6 people, so not too bad if you can get 6 people to split it, unless you know someone with a boat that will shuttle you. Call the lodge at Bullfrog for more info.

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if anyone would be interested in september 26-29 thats our dates. are trying to set up a shuttle from the lake to save the hassle of the drive in/hike in.

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I checked out the shuttle before we did it, something like $114 per hour with an hour minimum (the shuttle to Halls would fall under an hour, but of course you would have to pay once there and again back) and a max of 6 people, so not too bad if you can get 6 people to split it, unless you know someone with a boat that will shuttle you. Call the lodge at Bullfrog for more info.

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yeah i ahve been waiting on a reply from bullfrog teh las couple days. i need to call them during business hours i guess. i would totally pony up the money for that ! it would be almost 1/2 the hike in distance wise and better terrain.

thanls !

I just remembered this picture posted over on the yahoo group quite a while ago:

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_hr...QVwtIBu7GScMCt

Maybe we have a pothole now to compete with this one in Algeria!

poe/smiling cricket's is just as wide but much deeper. at least much deeper than the water level in that one.

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if anyone would be interested in september 26-29 thats our dates. are trying to set up a shuttle from the lake to save the hassle of the drive in/hike in. we also like small groups. 3 fro sure as of now, waiting on a 4th. mark doesn't want to do that crux lead again either, so were looking for a ballsy type who has aid climbing/big wall experience.

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I'm interested for sure. It's been a few years but I used to Bigwall climb, I still have most of my gear. I climbed prodigal sun and moonlight buttress multiple times in Zion. Also did touchstone wall. I would love to join the group that weekend.

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Geez,...I hate to display my ignorance. Is this "S", "O","L" some kind of youth culture thing that us geriatrics are too old to get? :ne_nau:

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The biggies! Ram, Tom, AJ... I think I might do this one too!

[quote="UtahAdventureGuide"][quote="goofball"]if anyone would be interested in september 26-29 thats our dates.

Not sure about Jason, but I am definately out for those dates. Doing a paria canyon backpack during those days. Conditions should be good, though, during that time. I am not so sure about the late October time frame, however. Cold nights, short days, long canyon. Can you say 'bivy'??

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if anyone would be interested in september 26-29 thats our dates.

Not sure about Jason, but I am definately out for those dates. Doing a paria canyon backpack during those days. Conditions should be good, though, during that time. I am not so sure about the late October time frame, however. Cold nights, short days, long canyon. Can you say 'bivy'??

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We are currently planning on bringing bivvy gear just in case.

Tanya, are you really wanting to join? (You said "I think I might".)

We are currently at 10 people, and had already talked about cutting it off there. Chris (UtahAdventureGuide) PM'ed me about joining, so I sent an e-mail off to the group to see if we are going to add any more. If so, we are very likely breaking into two groups. Personally (no offense to Chris or yourself) I think 10 is already enough; even too much for this canyon (long hike in, coordination, new canyon(s) for all of us, short days, possible colder conditions, etc.)

However, I'm getting the group in on the decision making, so the group can decide what we want to do. We need to have everything in order before 10/6 because that's when some of the group will be out of pocket; so I need to know folk's plans by then. We will solidify the plans and stick to them on/before 10/6...

Let me know,
A.J.

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if anyone would be interested in september 26-29 thats our dates.

Not sure about Jason, but I am definately out for those dates. Doing a paria canyon backpack during those days. Conditions should be good, though, during that time. I am not so sure about the late October time frame, however. Cold nights, short days, long canyon. Can you say 'bivy'??

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We are currently planning on bringing bivvy gear just in case.

Tanya, are you really wanting to join? (You said "I think I might".)

We are currently at 10 people, and had already talked about cutting it off there. Chris (UtahAdventureGuide) PM'ed me about joining, so I sent an e-mail off to the group to see if we are going to add any more. If so, we are very likely breaking into two groups. Personally (no offense to Chris or yourself) I think 10 is already enough; even too much for this canyon (long hike in, coordination, new canyon(s) for all of us, short days, possible colder conditions, etc.)

However, I'm getting the group in on the decision making, so the group can decide what we want to do. We need to have everything in order before 10/6 because that's when some of the group will be out of pocket; so I need to know folk's plans by then. We will solidify the plans and stick to them on/before 10/6...

Let me know,
A.J.

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Doesn't have to be next time, I just want to know if you were seriously wanting to go? You said you might want to. I just need to know if you were really wanting to go; as I'm going to then e-mail the group to let them now know that there are two folks interested (you and Chris).

I'll let the group as a whole (or at least the majority) decide on whether we will add more folks...

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Wow.

For a number of reasons - Physically and mentally taxing, beautiful, and lengthy. Closest comparison to its character I can make is segers hole. But segers was brim full when i went. This was nearly empty, and after a while this just became a job and I hate working.

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Just back from descending Cricket with Ram and Spidey. Double, Triple Wow! We were very impressed by the canyon and the difficulty. Much greater respect for your effort and adventure, Jason. Kudos to you.

Tom :rockon:

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Just back from descending Cricket with Ram and Spidey. Double, Triple Wow! We were very impressed by the canyon and the difficulty. Much greater respect for your effort and adventure, Jason. Kudos to you.

Tom :rockon:

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pics ? :popcorn: and i hope our ugly bolts got chopped. those antiques didn't happen to get replaced did they ? how'd you all like that ph ? oretty gnarly, huh ?

and the gorn (aka - sweet-pretty fleck :naughty: ) deserves as much (or more) credit as i do. especially since i convinced him to come and be my climbing bitch :lol8: since i am NOT a climber. i didn't know the canyon was gonna be so gnarly but since no kidding i think twice. sometimes. but always still go !

any advice for future descents ? or critiques of our beta or form ? you know you wanna ! :mrgreen:

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Just back from descending Cricket with Ram and Spidey. Double, Triple Wow! We were very impressed by the canyon and the difficulty. Much greater respect for your effort and adventure, Jason. Kudos to you.

Tom :rockon:

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pics ? :popcorn: and i hope our ugly bolts got chopped. those antiques didn't happen to get replaced did they ? how'd you all like that ph ? oretty gnarly, huh ?

and the gorn (aka - sweet-pretty fleck :naughty: ) deserves as much (or more) credit as i do. especially since i convinced him to come and be my climbing bitch :lol8: since i am NOT a climber. i didn't know the canyon was gonna be so gnarly but since no kidding i think twice. sometimes. but always still go !

any advice for future descents ? or critiques of our beta or form ? you know you wanna ! :mrgreen:

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We found all the bolts useful, even the not-very-textbook-placed new ones, and those museum-quality-buttonheads. Yikes!! Did not replace anything, but this is a canyon that even Tom-the-mad-bolt-chopper might replace many of the bolts in. Not much natural anchor materials, unless you think leaving behind 10-12 potshots would be "natural".

Mr. Ram will have the pictures and trip report soon. I just wanted to say we were very impressed. Even ready to do gnarly stuff (ie, we brought Spidey), it was very impressive. We had easy conditions - quite a bit drier than you prolly had in May. Still got cold. Wonderful Canyon, destined to be a classic.

Tom

I hope you will do a write-up with Ram's photos. I spoke with Spidey yesterday and I must tell you I thought of you guys about 100 times last week and wishing I was there. Of course I would not have contributed anything to that strong team except more meat to anchor from, some height and of course a bit of entertainment while watching me down climb. Well done! Sounded like pot-hole mecca.

Just back from descending Cricket with Ram and Spidey. Double, Triple Wow! We were very impressed by the canyon and the difficulty. Much greater respect for your effort and adventure, Jason. Kudos to you.

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Well done! Most impressive considering the conditions you faced. Cold temps and short days...did you guys bivy in the canyon? Looking forward to the pics and trip report. how bout that 'pit and pendulum' ?!?