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11-27-2006, 04:52 PM
tanya

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Originally Posted by Summit42

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Originally Posted by Sombeech

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Originally Posted by Summit42

you must practice polygamy and grow a beard.

Sounds good to me.

Man, I can hardly handle one wife. The idea of two is nice but I am willing to bet they would gang on on me (in a bad way).

Choose Wisely :nod:
11-27-2006, 05:12 PM
asdf

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Originally Posted by Reedus

Ummm, I don't see the correlation between LDS leaders discouraging tracting as a method of proselyting and God changing his mind. Elaborate on that one. And if you want to discredit the church for its polygamy over 100 years ago, then you are going to have to discredit Christianity altogether. many instances in the Bible of prophets having multiple wives and concubines. Solomon blew Brigham out of the water with his 1000+. :popcorn:

Would "discouraging tracting" be a change in policy?

I love how everyone dances around the race issue here.... Why dont you explain that one to me.
11-27-2006, 05:53 PM
stefan

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Originally Posted by DiscGolfDivers

God is all knowing. God in his wisdom is able to adapt his teachings for his people. If you look at the Old Testament and the New Testament you can see the people have a very different relationship with God.

Implying that God can't change his tactics, policies, even doctrines implies that he is somehow dead. God lives and he is aware of what happens in the world. I guess for me having dress codes evolve through different time periods, changing policies, and doctrines does not contradict his existence, but I guess to you it does.

interesting perspective. but i would think that if god is all knowing then there is no need for adaptation because god would simultaneously be everything that was ever necessary ... past, present or future. there would be no need for causality. i think what's changing is simply the people's relationship with god, (perhaps, more appropriately, the realization thereof).

but then again ... this is all really babble, if god does in fact exist, it would be quite arrogant of us to believe we could ever understand god's existence, i would think. in my opinion, how a person perceives god reflects more about himself/herself (and a little bit about society) than anything.
11-27-2006, 06:01 PM
stefan

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Originally Posted by Summit42

I love how everyone dances around the race issue here.... Why dont you explain that one to me.

apparently god realized there was a civil rights movement
11-27-2006, 06:42 PM
Sombeech

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Originally Posted by Sombeech

God told Moses to lead the Israelites to the land of Canaan, then when they got near, he made them stay in the wilderness for 40 years. Was it God who changed his mind, or was it the Israelites who weren't ready?

Yeah, what he said.
11-27-2006, 06:44 PM
donny h

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Originally Posted by Sombeech

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Originally Posted by Summit42

you must practice polygamy and grow a beard.

Sounds good to me.

I don't know about that, man, I allready gots a beard, and I gotta' agree with what Mark Twain said about polygamy:

"No--the man that marries one of them has done an act of Christian
charity which entitles him to the kindly applause of mankind, not their
harsh censure--and the man that marries sixty of them has done a deed of open-handed generosity so sublime that the nations should stand uncovered in his presence and worship in silence."

:mrgreen:
11-27-2006, 08:10 PM
accadacca

I can tell that the white stuff is falling, and actually outside my door right now. How can I tell? Hmmm.... :idea:

Were all stuck inside and we choose to ramble about stuff like this on an Outdoor site? :lol8: Carry on if you must...
11-27-2006, 08:17 PM
DickHead

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Originally Posted by accadacca

I can tell that the white stuff is falling, and actually outside my door right now. How can I tell? Hmmm.... :idea:

Were all stuck inside and we choose to ramble about stuff like this on an Outdoor site? :lol8: Carry on if you must...

Yeah I'm thinking of riding my 'cross bike in it tomorrow....just cause its cool :rockon:
11-27-2006, 08:17 PM
Reedus

Just tryin to solve some of the worlds problems. Me personally, I like to hear others take on religion and politics. At least this round it has remained friendly.
11-27-2006, 08:26 PM
accadacca

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Originally Posted by JamisJockey

Yeah I'm thinking of riding my 'cross bike in it tomorrow....just cause its cool :rockon:

I wonder how much will fall tonight? I'm a little depressed to put the toys away... :wallbash:

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Originally Posted by Reedus

At least this round it has remained friendly.

True. I guess it just doesn't interest me...I'm an Outdoor slut! :lol8:
11-27-2006, 08:30 PM
Sombeech

accadacca ------------- the Cooler.

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11-30-2006, 06:45 AM
DickHead

I almost feel bad bringing this one back up:
Yesterday, the familia and I were exiting Harmons on 6200 S. 4 missionaries were circling the lot like used-car salesmen....one saw us and pounced. As he walked up I told him sternly and point blank "we're not interested" rather than leave us alone, he kept trying and harrassing us. After several exchanges with my BP going up rapidly, while I was loading groceries, he had the nerve to ask "why are you insulting me?" I immediatly shot back "why are you harrassing me?"
This is my third interaction with missionaries in Utah and my second unpleasant one. WTF are you teaching these little zealots?
11-30-2006, 07:21 AM
rockgremlin

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Originally Posted by Sombeech

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Originally Posted by Sombeech

God told Moses to lead the Israelites to the land of Canaan, then when they got near, he made them stay in the wilderness for 40 years. Was it God who changed his mind, or was it the Israelites who weren't ready?

Yeah, what he said.

This is the answer I give everyone about policy changes within the church. And just like this forum, it usually goes unrefuted.
11-30-2006, 07:30 AM
rockgremlin

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Originally Posted by JamisJockey

I almost feel bad bringing this one back up:
Yesterday, the familia and I were exiting Harmons on 6200 S. 4 missionaries were circling the lot like used-car salesmen....one saw us and pounced. As he walked up I told him sternly and point blank "we're not interested" rather than leave us alone, he kept trying and harrassing us. After several exchanges with my BP going up rapidly, while I was loading groceries, he had the nerve to ask "why are you insulting me?" I immediatly shot back "why are you harrassing me?"
This is my third interaction with missionaries in Utah and my second unpleasant one. WTF are you teaching these little zealots?

Ya, firstly, on behalf of all the missionaries in the LDS church, I apologize for their immaturity. I deal with the missionaries in my ward on a constant basis, and admittedly, they are pretty immature about many things. I often catch myself wondering if I was really that immature at 19.

So, just cut em a break. They're young and over-zealous, and in many cases lack the social maturity to make wise decisions.
11-30-2006, 07:56 AM
stefan

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Originally Posted by rockgremlin

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Originally Posted by Sombeech

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Originally Posted by Sombeech

God told Moses to lead the Israelites to the land of Canaan, then when they got near, he made them stay in the wilderness for 40 years. Was it God who changed his mind, or was it the Israelites who weren't ready?

Yeah, what he said.

This is the answer I give everyone about policy changes within the church. And just like this forum, it usually goes unrefuted.

ahh, but this borders suggesting that revelation is simply a formalism and not real ... no? blasphemy?

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Originally Posted by rockgremlin

Ya, firstly, on behalf of all the missionaries in the LDS church, I apologize for their immaturity. I deal with the missionaries in my ward on a constant basis, and admittedly, they are pretty immature about many things. I often catch myself wondering if I was really that immature at 19.

So, just cut em a break. They're young and over-zealous, and in many cases lack the social maturity to make wise decisions.

cut them a break? since they are representing the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints (god that's a mouthful), I would think "the church" would be concerned with such representation, after all, such persistence and "harassment" can't be good PR and, more importantly, defeats the purpose.

my impression is that the mission is just as important, if not more important to help a missionary realize more deeply his beliefs and convictions, as it is to proselytize. if this is the case, is this approach leading the missionary in the right direction?

maybe the missionaries need a number on their back which says ... "how's my prosetylizing? call 1-800-LDS-MSRY"

you know price just berated someone for not having strength to deny ... well look at what happens. for all i know it's only a few who act this way ... but from what you're saying it's not just a couple folks you've met but many who are immature.

i think if someone says they aren't interested ... DONE!
11-30-2006, 08:11 AM
Sombeech

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Originally Posted by JamisJockey

WTF are you teaching these little zealots?

Congratulations. You just let some 19 year old boy ruin your day.
11-30-2006, 08:16 AM
DickHead

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Originally Posted by Sombeech

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Originally Posted by JamisJockey

WTF are you teaching these little zealots?

Congratulations. You just let some 19 year old boy ruin your day.

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No, he ruined about 10 minutes of my day, and soured my opinion of the LDS church and its missionaries even further......
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11-30-2006, 08:35 AM
rockgremlin

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Originally Posted by stefan

my impression is that the mission is just as important, if not more important to help a missionary realize more deeply his beliefs and convictions, as it is to proselytize.

Definitely some truth to that statement.

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Originally Posted by stefan

i think if someone says they aren't interested ... DONE!

Agreed!! Pursuing even further results in Jamis's experience -- an even further souring of his opinion of the church. Definitely not worth the added effort to confront him a second or third time!!! But I think its a lack of maturity that explains that kind of behavior.
11-30-2006, 08:43 AM
Shan

Sometimes they remind me of telemarketers. You say "no thanks, I'm not interested" the first time, and they keep going. Say it the second time followed by "have a nice day" and that usually does the trick in my case.

Can 2 male missionaries approach an alone female on the street?

Is it a big let down to serve your mission in Provo?
11-30-2006, 09:25 AM
Sombeech

I'm tellin' ya, we've gotta hire us a Cooler.

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11-30-2006, 11:05 AM
moabfool

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Originally Posted by stefan

maybe the missionaries need a number on their back which says ... "how's my prosetylizing? call 1-800-LDS-MSRY"

Oh they have that already. It's called "Every member a mission president."

Seems like people have a lot of beef with LDS missionaries. I'll have to admit that I have a lot of beef with the Mormon culture. The "Missionary Mall" billboards in the UC drive me nuts. There was one that basically said "Resistance is futile; you will be assimilated." Thanks for selling god at 70 MPH. All religions are guilty(?) of this to one degree or another. A religion that doesn't claim to be correct at the exclusion of all others can't be trusted. Heck, even atheism says that.

That said, here's my beef with the other point of view. Ask most people who are atheist or agnostic a question about morals and they'll say people should be free to think, say, and do what they want/feels good. Then a religious person comes along and thinks or says something about god and right/wrong and the atheist/agnostic gets their shorts in a wad. Which is it? Can we think and say what we want or can't we? If you want a definition of true hypocrisy that's it. That road goes both ways. I'm not saying that "do what you want" is how I think the world should work, because I don't. It's just that I think it's time the unreligious were judged by their double-standard for a change.
11-30-2006, 11:38 AM
rockgremlin

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Originally Posted by moabfool

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Originally Posted by stefan

maybe the missionaries need a number on their back which says ... "how's my prosetylizing? call 1-800-LDS-MSRY"

Oh they have that already. It's called "Every member a mission president."

Seems like people have a lot of beef with LDS missionaries. I'll have to admit that I have a lot of beef with the Mormon culture. The "Missionary Mall" billboards in the UC drive me nuts. There was one that basically said "Resistance is futile; you will be assimilated." Thanks for selling god at 70 MPH. All religions are guilty(?) of this to one degree or another. A religion that doesn't claim to be correct at the exclusion of all others can't be trusted. Heck, even atheism says that.

That said, here's my beef with the other point of view. Ask most people who are atheist or agnostic a question about morals and they'll say people should be free to think, say, and do what they want/feels good. Then a religious person comes along and thinks or says something about god and right/wrong and the atheist/agnostic gets their shorts in a wad. Which is it? Can we think and say what we want or can't we? If you want a definition of true hypocrisy that's it. That road goes both ways. I'm not saying that "do what you want" is how I think the world should work, because I don't. It's just that I think it's time the unreligious were judged by their double-standard for a change.

AMEN!!! You should start a church Moabfool! :lol8:

Selling religion at 70 mph... :lol8: Great line! :2thumbs: Those damn billboards drive me nuts too!
11-30-2006, 12:42 PM
Udink

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Originally Posted by moabfool

That said, here's my beef with the other point of view. Ask most people who are atheist or agnostic a question about morals and they'll say people should be free to think, say, and do what they want/feels good. Then a religious person comes along and thinks or says something about god and right/wrong and the atheist/agnostic gets their shorts in a wad. Which is it? Can we think and say what we want or can't we? If you want a definition of true hypocrisy that's it. That road goes both ways. I'm not saying that "do what you want" is how I think the world should work, because I don't. It's just that I think it's time the unreligious were judged by their double-standard for a change.

The two issues you bring up, (1) a non-religious person believing that people should be free to do as they please, and (2) arguing against religious beliefs (presumably this is what you meant by getting "their shorts in a wad"), are not mutually exclusive. If I were to point out what I believed to be a flaw in your religious reasoning, that doesn't mean that I don't think you are still free to do/say/believe as you wish. I don't think I've ever heard an atheist or agnostic person tell a religious person that he or she should behave in a certain manner, as long as that behavior isn't harmful to others.
11-30-2006, 01:06 PM
moabfool

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Originally Posted by Udink

I don't think I've ever heard an atheist or agnostic person tell a religious person that he or she should behave in a certain manner, as long as that behavior isn't harmful to others.

If we take that as our litmus test then what's the big deal with "In God We Trust" on our money, "One nation under God" in The Pledge of Allegence, and saying a prayer at public meetings. If a person doesn't believe it's true they can just sit there and not be harmed. A prayer is no more an establishment of religion that a political rally is an establishment of a government.
11-30-2006, 01:34 PM
DiscGo

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Originally Posted by JamisJockey

He did a great job of pointing out the hypocrisy.....you all expect me to listen to your little young clean shaven minions, but if someone else comes to your door, well....you saw how he was treated....

I live in Provo and about 12 miles south of me there is a Hare Krishna Temple (that the LDS church donated $$$ to help build). I went there and asked about their religion and I asked the woman why she converted and she got really mad at me. She accused me of "being a college student" working on a report, and said she wasn't going to be tricked. I honestly appreciate knowing about different cultures and religions. I find that as a Mormon, when I tell someone that I am Mormon but they are welcome to come in, they (usually Jehovah Witnesses) then don't want to enter (counting on me just inviting them in to argue, or convince them).

I have spent the last 6 summers in Alaska as a tour guide. I have met thousands of people who hate Mormons, based on being Mormon. Call me what you will but to me that is ignorance. I have dozens of friends who are non-denomination Christians and we discuss religion without it being a problem that we have different backgrounds.

Anyway, I have travelled all over the world, including a 2 year mission in Chile, where I feel like I did good things. I have always been respectful of other people's homes and feelings and I think others should do the same.

Utah is the home of the Mormons. Look, I'm not saying that if you aren't Mormon you aren't welcome here, but why would you move to Utah if you have a problem with Mormons? Everyone knows that Utah has been settled by Mormons and that it predominately is Mormon. If I had a problem with Catholics, I would not go to Boston (or more specifically the Vatican). I just don't see how you come to Utah and bad mouth Mormons. The whole reason Mormons came here was to get away from people who hated us.

Yes, Mormons can be awkward when dealing with non-Mormons but you're wrong if you don't think people are mistreated going both ways. I have had several salesmen come by my house in the last month. I didn't want what they were selling (nor did I even want them at my house), but I turned them away and went right back to what I was doing. Why can't you just do the same?

My brother loves Rocky Anderson (the Mayor of SLC) and the only reason my brother loves Rocky is because of how openly and how strong he (Rocky) goes after the Mormons. The Mormons already packed up and all moved to the same place once, they shouldn't have to do it again. If you don't like the people of Utah, you shouldn't be in Utah.

P.S. Needless to say, I'm tired of seeing so many people venting about Mormons on this site. There have been several good points brought up by people defending the Mormons and all you do is look past those and try and focus on something else.
11-30-2006, 01:34 PM
Udink

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Originally Posted by moabfool

If we take that as our litmus test then what's the big deal with "In God We Trust" on our money, "One nation under God" in The Pledge of Allegence, and saying a prayer at public meetings. If a person doesn't believe it's true they can just sit there and not be harmed. A prayer is no more an establishment of religion that a political rally is an establishment of a government.

I agree with you, up to a point. I mean, none of those things really bother me, but if our government gives creed to one "God," shouldn't they do the same for all gods in general? Allowing one religious group (Christians, for example) to say a prayer during a city council meeting, yet not allowing Muslims to do the same, would in my opinion be harmful. Such government functions should not be exclusionary.
11-30-2006, 01:39 PM
Udink

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Originally Posted by DiscGolfDivers

The Mormons already packed up and all moved to the same place once, they shouldn't have to do it again. If you don't like the people of Utah, you shouldn't be in Utah.

That seems to be a favorite saying among the majority religion around here. "If you don't like it, leave." However, the minority isn't calling for the Mormons to leave, they're just calling for the Mormons to leave them alone. There is a big difference in what the majority is pushing on the minority, and what the minority is asking from the majority.
11-30-2006, 01:40 PM
DiscGo

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Originally Posted by Udink

Allowing one religious group (Christians, for example) to say a prayer during a city council meeting, yet not allowing Muslims to do the same, would in my opinion be harmful. Such government functions should not be exclusionary.

Look I don't know exactly what you believe our country was founded on but when the "Forefathers" got together to write the constitution they prayed together before they started. Sessions of Congress have always been started with prayers and we were established as a Christian country (research "Manifest Destiny" if you don't know what I'm talking about).

In the Constitution there is NO MENTION of "separation of church and state". That phrase came from a speech (that I believe Thomas Jefferson gave explaining there would be a "curtain of separation of Church and State).

We were guaranteed freedom of religion not from it! You can believe whatever you like but that doesn't mean that the Government will adapt your religion. You are exempt from praying if you don't wish, etc. but that is not the same thing as saying you have a right never to hear about religion.
11-30-2006, 01:42 PM
DiscGo

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Originally Posted by Udink

However, the minority isn't calling for the Mormons to leave, they're just calling for the Mormons to leave them alone. There is a big difference in what the majority is pushing on the minority, and what the minority is asking from the majority.

All the majority is asking for is respect. When you start to bad mouth the majority, that is when the majority no longer wants you. In this conversation all I have done is stick up for my beliefs. I have not attacked anyone else. That is a big difference between the majority and the minority.
11-30-2006, 01:47 PM
Sombeech

I think that the LDS church should take advice from Athiests. That would be great. :lol8:
11-30-2006, 01:57 PM
rockgremlin

I like grapes.....especially the seedless kind. :five:
11-30-2006, 02:10 PM
asdf

Karate-Chop
11-30-2006, 02:12 PM
PunchKing

Somebody lock this crap thread!
11-30-2006, 02:21 PM
tanya

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Originally Posted by Sombeech

I think that the LDS church should take advice from Athiests. That would be great. :lol8:

I think if 'Beech or Scott knocked on my door all dressed in their missionary clothes I would invite :gents: them in..... I may not let them leave though. Life can be dangerous for a missionary! :bath:
11-30-2006, 02:41 PM
DickHead

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Utah is the home of the Mormons. Look, I'm not saying that if you aren't Mormon you aren't welcome here, but why would you move to Utah if you have a problem with Mormons? Everyone knows that Utah has been settled by Mormons and that it predominately is Mormon. If I had a problem with Catholics, I would not go to Boston (or more specifically the Vatican). I just don't see how you come to Utah and bad mouth Mormons. The whole reason Mormons came here was to get away from people who hated us.

I moved here for a work promotion without knowing squat about Mormons.
My problem with Mormons is the in your face BS. I don't like my privacy being invaded by your little minions. If I wanted to learn about the religion I'd grab a book or show up for sunday services.....no thanks, we're not interested.....oh that's right, your self-rightous little minons don't care what I want, its all about what they want, saving my soul.....
:roll:
11-30-2006, 02:51 PM
tanya

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Originally Posted by JamisJockey

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Utah is the home of the Mormons. Look, I'm not saying that if you aren't Mormon you aren't welcome here, but why would you move to Utah if you have a problem with Mormons? Everyone knows that Utah has been settled by Mormons and that it predominately is Mormon. If I had a problem with Catholics, I would not go to Boston (or more specifically the Vatican). I just don't see how you come to Utah and bad mouth Mormons. The whole reason Mormons came here was to get away from people who hated us.

I moved here for a work promotion without knowing squat about Mormons.
My problem with Mormons is the in your face BS. I don't like my privacy being invaded by your little minions. If I wanted to learn about the religion I'd grab a book or show up for sunday services.....no thanks, we're not interested.....oh that's right, your self-rightous little minons don't care what I want, its all about what they want, saving my soul.....
:roll:

I am not Mormon and I moved to Utah --- there is much more here than religion! The beauty of humans is that we are all different. That is a good thing guys! We don't want to be alike. How boring. :roll: I love people that are very different from me! :nod: I do give Becky, one of my favorite hiking partners a hard time about her underwear (garmets) though... but not because I hate it, just because ----- someone has to. :haha:
11-30-2006, 03:06 PM
Shan

I moved here and I tried to read up on Mormonism before I got here. It still wasn't enough to prepare me for the change of culture. I did come from party town USA Bloomington, IN.

I think I know more about Mormonism and Mormon theology than any other religion out there. Some stuff even the kids brought up LDS didn't know about.

But I love Utah for it's outdoor opportunities, sunny skies most of the year and small town feel. I don't know how long I'll stay here though - it's nice and cheap but I don't have alot of friends either.
11-30-2006, 03:18 PM
stefan

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Originally Posted by moabfool

Seems like people have a lot of beef with LDS missionaries.

as you already know, i have a beef with ANY type of missionary, it's just that mormonism is more in the forefront for me than other religions. on the other hand, i had a similar issue when i was approached on the streets by a missionary from the church of scientology ... asking me if i wanted to take a personality test ... using the line "what if there were something that could make you just a little bit happier" ... and after that, after i told her how i COMPLETELY disagree with members of any religion actively seeking out aherents ... she follows up with "yeah, i see what you mean, i think i understand where you're coming from ... BUT what if it could make you just a little bit happier"

AAK!!

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"Resistance is futile; you will be assimilated."

oh yes for a number of years in a row a couple of friends of mine dressed up as half borg/half mormon ... Elder 1 of 2 and Elder 2 of 2, perfect costumes with the missionary garb and the electronic headgear ... they won a number of contests including a radio show ... funny funny stuff.
11-30-2006, 03:39 PM
Scott Card

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Originally Posted by Shan

I don't know how long I'll stay here though - it's nice and cheap but I don't have alot of friends either.

Ouch.... that last phrase cut to the bone. I am sorry if folks treat you differently or rudely. In case I haven't clearly stated it, I am a Mormon. I was raised in Provo, Utah, about a block from Cougar Stadium. I frankly believe that every Mormon needs to move from Utah for a couple of years and then if they choose, move back. The best thing for my personal values and social dealings was being in the minority. I wasn't going to comment any more on this thread cause the venom was beginning to spew. "Y'all just relax" was a phrase I learned in Texas. "Can't we all just get along" was the quote I heard from Rodney King when I lived in Los Angeles during the riots. And Jamis this is from a post a couple of months ago, just for you to discourage the missionaries from knocking on your door.

"If you don't like Mormon missionaries, here is a little advice from a returned Mormon missionary who was in California and Brazil. That would be me.

1. Doberman
2. Sign by door bell that reads "I eat Mormons for lunch -go away"
3. Sign by door bell that says "I flunked the baptism interview--- 5 times"
4. German Shepherd
5. Pit bull
6. Quarantine sign
7. One of those tombstones in the front yard that reads "Here lies the last two missionaries who tried to convert me"
8. Sign that reads, "I am looking for several wives"
9. Simply state to the missionaries that you are allergic to green jello, funeral potatoes, caffeine free diet coke and that you consider Jack Daniels medicine.
10. State that marijuana is a herb NOT to be used sparingly.

Those should help. They would have or did discourage me."

:cool2:
11-30-2006, 03:43 PM
DickHead

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Originally Posted by Scott Card

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Originally Posted by Shan

I don't know how long I'll stay here though - it's nice and cheap but I don't have alot of friends either.

Ouch.... that last phrase cut to the bone. I am sorry if folks treat you differently or rudely. In case I haven't clearly stated it, I am a Mormon. I was raised in Provo, Utah, about a block from Cougar Stadium. I frankly believe that every Mormon needs to move from Utah for a couple of years and then if they choose, move back. The best thing for my personal values and social dealings was being in the minority. I wasn't going to comment any more on this thread cause the venom was beginning to spew. "Y'all just relax" was a phrase I learned in Texas. "Can't we all just get along" was the quote I heard from Rodney King when I lived in Los Angeles during the riots. And Jamis this is from a post a couple of months ago, just for you to discourage the missionaries from knocking on your door.

"If you don't like Mormon missionaries, here is a little advice from a returned Mormon missionary who was in California and Brazil. That would be me.

1. Doberman
2. Sign by door bell that reads "I eat Mormons for lunch -go away"
3. Sign by door bell that says "I flunked the baptism interview--- 5 times"
4. German Shepherd
5. Pit bull
6. Quarantine sign
7. One of those tombstones in the front yard that reads "Here lies the last two missionaries who tried to convert me"
8. Sign that reads, "I am looking for several wives"
9. Simply state to the missionaries that you are allergic to green jello, funeral potatoes, caffeine free diet coke and that you consider Jack Daniels medicine.
10. State that marijuana is a herb NOT to be used sparingly.

Those should help. They would have or did discourage me."

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How about "No thank you I'm not interested" shouldnt that be enough?
I was about ready to kick that little $@*!er in the nuts yesterday.....

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