Subway conditions

which was the purpose of my original post. As an "athletic adult", I have been making that jump for 35 years. But for the guy with the gimpy football injury knee, or the soccer mom who is packing a few extra lbs, the hobbling senior citizen, the panicked girl friend who is exposure freaked, or the kids, its a good idea to pack even just 1 harness, maybe a light weight alpine bod, and if they are not really rappellers, be prepared to lower one or two of them who are NOT prepared or confident in making the jump, from the new bolts on the right, with and 8 or a muenter.