Kolob this weekend

Well, I did kolob yesterday... its flowing nicely. Although I would be hard pressed to make an accurate judgement of the actuall flow rate, it seemed like a bit more than 3 cfs to me... but perhaps thats just my inexperience, I'll post some pics later and you guys can be the judges... Oh and there is a FREE waterproof shockproof camera to the luck one who finds it... it bounced out of my pack somewhere about 5 minutes before the creek goes underground to about 20 minutes after the end of the creek on the hike out... But i would like the pictures, so please let me know if you find it...

And although tom can be a bit grumbly sometimes, I do appreciate all his helpful advice that I have gleaned from my countless hours trolling on bogley...

So thanks Tom

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Am I way offbase or is that only 3 cfs??

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Originally Posted by nielse2

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Am I way offbase or is that only 3 cfs??

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Yeah, looks like 2-3 cfs.

Tom

I'm eyeing kolob in the next few weeks myself. I need thoughts on my wetsuit, will my 5/4mm full be more or less adequate? I know this is somewhat subjective but I wonder what others typically wear. I have a 2mm top I can double up if needed. I consider my cold water tolerance to be on the high side of average. Whats the defacto kolob uniform?

I wear a 4/3 full and carry a hooded vest that Tom sells in case I need more warmth.

I seem to recall Tom not enjoying a shorty...ha ha...

I think a full 4/5 would be great. But, I'm fairly cold tolerant too. And, I stay hydrated for that extra burst of warmth...

Sounds good. Looks like I'm set on that end. I'll wear my 5/4 and carry my 2mm top just in case.

Another question, if you plan to do kolob out the narrows, I assume you'll need a permit for the narrows, correct?

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Originally Posted by Bootboy

Another question, if you plan to do kolob out the narrows, I assume you'll need a permit for the narrows, correct?

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Nope. I don't think so. You've already got a permit, and, your end destination should be indicated as TOS. Same with anything dropping into the NF of the Virgin.

Is that right?

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Yep, I exited out the narrows and they dont require a seperate permit for the narrows, or to camp either (as long as you camp before you enter the NF). It was actually pretty easy...

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Originally Posted by BW123

As one who has done Kolob Creek out the Narrows in a full day, I would say that it is extremely unlikely the average canyoneer can do the same.

Is that right?

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I would think you are correct. You aren't the average canyoneer.

Ha ha!

Yeah, camp in the Kolob drainage. Easy. A narrows camping permit is sweet, though, as those camps are pretty neat.

Still would like to see the "lads" do the trifecta and finish out the narrows. The math works...

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I seem to recall Tom not enjoying a shorty...ha ha...

I think a full 4/5 would be great. But, I'm fairly cold tolerant too. And, I stay hydrated for that extra burst of warmth...

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Two shorties, as I remember, and definitely not-enjoyable!!!

A 4/3 for me, now, but I'd have some booster stuff available too.

Tom

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Originally Posted by nielse2

Yep, I exited out the narrows and they dont require a seperate permit for the narrows, or to camp either (as long as you camp before you enter the NF). It was actually pretty easy...

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In Zion, when you do "more than one canyon", you need quota in each canyon, but if you do not travel in a vehicle between canyons, they can all go on one permit.

So, when you get a Kolob permit, you pay one permit fee. That permit CAN include camping in Kolob and exiting out the Narrows (if Narrows quota is available.) I think you can get to the campsite at the intersection with the Narrows, but it might be simpler to just camp in Kolob. You might end up hiking to the Narrows to get water, then back up Kolob a bit to camp in the correct zone.

Tom

Clinton - "Don't ask, Don't Tell".

Wasn't he talking about the Zion Park Permit System when he said that?

Anybody know what the fine is if you get nailed poaching? Not only a dayhike "canyon with ropes" but also for sleeping sans permit. I wouldn't even think about it in the narrows, you may be crashing someone's spot, literally. Surely it's over $100?

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Originally Posted by Byron

Anybody know what the fine is if you get nailed poaching? Not only a dayhike "canyon with ropes" but also for sleeping sans permit. I wouldn't even think about it in the narrows, you may be crashing someone's spot, literally. Surely it's over $100?

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:facepalm1: Did you just ask that out loud? They have spies..... :haha:

Oh heck, whether you ask the question directly or allude to it slight of hand, it's all the same...so, any backcounrty rangers or others have an answer? Would you tell if you did? I'm just curious. If your going to endorse or imply "Don't ask, don't tell" may as well know what the penalty is if busted. Not saying you're endorsing that, Scott.

I've heard 250 in the past.