Water vs overhand knot

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Originally Posted by ratagonia

We're talking knots, and there IS a nomenclature. Words have specific meanings. When you use words that mean other things, yet the context implies something else... it makes my head hurt.

When I tie a water knot, I tie an overhand in one strand, and trace it back with the other end. That means it is a "retraced overhand knot", though more properly described as a "retraced overhand bend". Without "offset" in the name, it would be assumed to be loaded in-line, ie, like a water knot.

When I tie an EDK in rope, I put both strands together, and tie an overhand knot with both strands. Thus, it is not a retraced overhand knot.

:deadhorse: - I know, I know. It's dead, Jim. :facepalm1:

Perhaps a picture will help...

Tom :moses:

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Oy vey... My head hurts now!!! :facepalm1:

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Originally Posted by ratagonia

Not sure why BDC would call an EDK an "in-line overhand" - to me that means a Water Knot, not a cross-loaded overhand. If anything, it would be an off-line overhand. "Flat overhand" is again very non-specific.

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Flat, abnormal, offset...yeah.

I've called the EDK "in-line" because that's how you tie it. Take two ropes, have them both run "in-line" to each other, and, toss into an overhand. Formed "in-line".

Could also argue that when you load it, the ropes are "in-line" and the knot doesn't hang up on an edge. Load path for the individual strands aren't.

Not sure where I heard it called an "in line" overhand...maybe Aussies? Can't recall.

Yeah, its cornfusing. EDK is easy.