TCU considering invite to Big 12

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Originally Posted by Scott Card

Let me summarize $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and ESPN. That is all.

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The money is great, but how is that translating to the product on the field? Looks pretty bleak at the moment and I wouldn't be paying top dollar for a string of suck dog state opponents that my team is barely beating on ESPNU. Great "exposure" for the program...

Is it all about money? What about creating a great product? As a fan, the money is of little concern to me. The stock answer for BYU fans is "money" and "exposure" but so far it doesn't look appealing to me as a fan. And the future looks worse...

Maybe with the money they'll install some nice seat cushions in all the chairs at the stadium. BYU fans will be nice and comfortable as they watch some great match ups brought on by independence.

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Originally Posted by Scott Card

Independence beats the MWC.

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Money wise YES..... but outside of that NO.

I just keep thinking if the tables were turned and this was Utah would I be happy, and the answer is NO. I have no desire to cheer for a good team to beat up on Idaho State and Mexico State at home. I would miss the rivalries a conference builds. The things I miss most about Utah moving to the PAC is that Air Force is off the schedule, no more trips to Wyoming in November, and no road trip to Vegas every other season. That was all fun stuff from a fans perspectives.

BYU only has two things to play for... and undefeated season and a chance at a BCS bowl, and to go .500 and play in the Armed Forces Bowl. Even if BYU goes undefeated you know they will have an extremely hard time making a BCS bowl with the number of weak teams on their schedule.

I used to watch about 90% of BYU games because I'm a fan of football. But I watch few of their games anymore because they just don't matter.

Yes BYU was kinda screwed by the MWC. But as a BYU fan wanting entertianment I would be extremely unhappy with the current direction of the school. Remember, this was all done in hopes of getting more money, better access, better conference, better everything... and when the chance came to have those things BYU blew it.

YMMV. :soapbox:

you'd be up in the night if you didn't think money translates to a better product. you are also dreaming if you think the current situation isn't better than the MWC setup, especially with Utah gone. the situation looks bleak compared to what? compared to being in the big12 or pac12. but it is way better than the MWC.

MWC is worse than Indy, which is worse than BIGXII, which is worse than Pac12.

btw, looking at the utes move to greatness, hard to say that their move was any better based on product on the field. would you rather watch a team win against crap programs, or get pounded by decent programs? yep, 5 games is too quick to make an assessment. utah's ceiling seems much higher at this point than the Y's, no question. but right now, both products suck. and that's what matters.

It's all about athlete's for both BYU and Utah.

I believe BYU will be a worse product in 5 years. I don't see how this is going to help their recruiting. I spend a lot of time around HS players and coaches and this is not going over real well among potential recruits. But maybe it will not matter. Outside the Crowton era BYU has always went after and attracted many of the good LDS players.

Utah is getting exactly what I expected (not what I hoped for) with the jump to the PAC because they have no depth. I expect that to change over a 5 year period. I expect you will see Utah playing a lot of young players over the next few years as they attract a better athlete and I would look for this payoff in year 5 and 6 after the jump. Those should be good years for Utah as they will have a better athlete in the program who has gained a lot of experience from starting as freshman and sophomores.

Time will tell.

I agree, time will tell. But for now, BYU IS better off independant than with the MWC imho. I do hope that BYU will agressively seek a BCS conference invite. I can only hope that is/will happen[ing].

I would much rather play with the big boys and be beat. Why? Because I know Utah is headed in the right direction. I have zero regrets about joining the Pac-12 and I have full confidence in the future. As was mentioned by Iceaxe, depth is the biggest problem right now.

It was fun watching UW and ASU come into Rice-Eccles. To see the athletes and NFL talent that they have was exciting. Kinda like going to a Jazz game. If I attend a game, I want to see talent on the opposing team. If the Jazz are going to be beat, let it be by good teams. I don't want to go watch the Jazz play some bottom feeder...no thanks.

Hence, beating suck dog state does nothing for me. I have also stopped watching BYU Football. There is no story to follow this year with the Cougars. I found myself watching the late night Pac-12 game last Saturday instead of BYU. It was two bottom feeders (UCLA vs WSU). It was a hell of a game with impressive athletes and it went down to the wire.

IMO its better to be invited to the party. Even if your not the most popular kid, it beats being left in the dark.

If you are happy with the independant deal as BYU fans than I guess that's all that is really important.

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Not happy, just happier than last year with the Mtn.

It is funny, since Utah is not good this year, I haven't watched them either. Sad really, that we don't care about the former rival..... I really wish there was a way to be in the same conference so as to make the game important. Oh well... :cry1: