Beetles Killing Tamarisk

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10-06-2011, 04:27 PM
ratagonia

Quote:

Originally Posted by trackrunner

There is an easy solution to get rid of the beetles.

Release some lizards from Asia to kill the beetles.

But you may ask: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by
lizards?

No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes.
They'll wipe out the lizards.

But you may ask: But aren't the snakes even worse?

Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of
gorilla that thrives on snake meat.

But you may ask: But then we're stuck with gorillas!

No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the
gorillas simply freeze to death.

I thought the beetles were supposed to die out over the winter?

T
10-06-2011, 04:28 PM
restrac2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldno7

Phillip
Please don't limit yourself to the Rich is a liar thread. Your knowledge and insite is welcomed.
Often we will see from differing perpectives, but I respect yours.

bogley is only a bad place if you're competing against it.

Thanks for the warm welcome, oldno7
10-06-2011, 06:03 PM
Sandstone Addiction

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratagonia

Duty to whom?

(I personally can see some duty, I am just wondering which duty YOU see, that makes it compelling).

T

My sense of duty is to the generations to come (but mostly me).

Our ancestors, naively planted it and it has been taking over more and more real estate ever since. I've put up with it all these years with no hope in sight until my little beetle friend came along (I'm giving one a virtual hug now:feelgood:) and suddenly there is a light at the end of the tunnel (I sincerely hope it's not a train).

I feel the same duty to controlling Phragmites, Quagga/Zebra Mussels, etc. Unfortunately, the beetle doesn't like either of them.

BTW Moses, you being experienced with plagues and all, you didn't have anything to do with these did you??? :haha::lol8:
10-06-2011, 06:28 PM
Iceaxe

I just hope the beetles don't discover they like corn and wheat once they finish with all the tamarisk.

With that being said... I hate tamarisk... somewhere there is a collection of pictures taken by the Powell expedition set next to the same picture taken today.... the Colorado is not even close to the same river Powell once explored.

:cool2:
10-06-2011, 07:19 PM
ratagonia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceaxe

I just hope the beetles don't discover they like corn and wheat once they finish with all the tamarisk.

With that being said... I hate tamarisk... somewhere there is a collection of pictures taken by the Powell expedition set next to the same picture taken today.... the Colorado is not even close to the same river Powell once explored.

:cool2:

There's a couple hunks of concrete that have something to do with that... :crazy: Maybe we can find some beetles to chew on them??? :naughty::crazy:

:moses:
10-06-2011, 08:00 PM
Pelon1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceaxe

somewhere there is a collection of pictures taken by the Powell expedition set next to the same picture taken today.... the Colorado is not even close to the same river Powell once explored.

:cool2:

Bob Webb Book its pretty fascinating we just got a hard cover copy of it!!
10-06-2011, 10:00 PM
restrac2000

Looks like a great book.

I think there is also one that has comparative photographs in Labyrinth and Stillwater Canyons along the Green River. Not sure if it is his "Ribbons of Green" or another one I can't find.

Phillip

Edit: Looks like it would be in the "Cataract Canyon" book he coauthored.
10-06-2011, 10:06 PM
ratagonia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandstone Addiction

My sense of duty is to the generations to come (but mostly me).

Our ancestors, naively planted it and it has been taking over more and more real estate ever since. I've put up with it all these years with no hope in sight until my little beetle friend came along (I'm giving one a virtual hug now:feelgood:) and suddenly there is a light at the end of the tunnel (I sincerely hope it's not a train).

I feel the same duty to controlling Phragmites, Quagga/Zebra Mussels, etc. Unfortunately, the beetle doesn't like either of them.

BTW Moses, you being experienced with plagues and all, you didn't have anything to do with these did you??? :haha::lol8:

A sense of duty I share with you: "Don't leave the place a mess".

Moses was a reluctant prophet. He was just a go-between. The plagues came from the Big Dude.

:moses:
10-06-2011, 10:06 PM
restrac2000

There is this website for the San Juan:

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr01-314/html/repeat.html
10-07-2011, 08:36 AM
Sandstone Addiction

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratagonia

A sense of duty I share with you: "Don't leave the place a mess".

Moses was a reluctant prophet. He was just a go-between. The plagues came from the Big Dude.

:moses:

:nod: On both.
10-07-2011, 11:45 AM
BLUEberryBOB

Quote:

Originally Posted by trackrunner

There is an easy solution to get rid of the beetles.

Release some lizards from Asia to kill the beetles.

But you may ask: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by
lizards?

No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes.
They'll wipe out the lizards.

But you may ask: But aren't the snakes even worse?

Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of
gorilla that thrives on snake meat.

But you may ask: But then we're stuck with gorillas!

No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the
gorillas simply freeze to death.

Are you running in 2012? :hail2thechief::lol8:
10-17-2011, 06:40 PM
kelleyp

There is simply one thing missing from this ecosystem that is essential to its proper function. That thing? Floods.
There is simply one thing deterring the floods and screwing up this ecosystem from Wyoming to Mexico. That thing? Dams.
The beetle idea is only a band aid. Any other attempt at biocontrol will also be nothing more than a band aid. The biocontrols are only treating the symptoms and not going to cure anything. The cure is to unclog the arteries. Remove the dams and mother nature will handle the rest. Floyd Dominy is dead. Now lets kill his dams and let the rivers live. Peace, Kelley
10-17-2011, 08:26 PM
Sandstone Addiction

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelleyp

There is simply one thing missing from this ecosystem that is essential to its proper function. That thing? Floods.
There is simply one thing deterring the floods and screwing up this ecosystem from Wyoming to Mexico. That thing? Dams.
The beetle idea is only a band aid. Any other attempt at biocontrol will also be nothing more than a band aid. The biocontrols are only treating the symptoms and not going to cure anything. The cure is to unclog the arteries. Remove the dams and mother nature will handle the rest. Floyd Dominy is dead. Now lets kill his dams and let the rivers live. Peace, Kelley

That's interesting, seeing how there are thousands of "wild" rivers/creeks/washes/draws/gulches throughout the west that are choked to death with tamarisks that are flooded on regular basis. How do you explain that?

The Floyd Dominy insult isn't even worthy of a response.
10-18-2011, 08:07 AM
canyoncaver

Floyd Dominy was the insult. An insult to rivers, canyons, ecosystems, and the human race.
10-18-2011, 09:48 AM
Sandstone Addiction

Quote:

Originally Posted by canyoncaver

Floyd Dominy was the insult. An insult to rivers, canyons, ecosystems, and the human race.

Was he an insult to millions and millions of boaters, fishermen, wakeboarders/skiers, tourists from around the globe, canyoneers (who enjoy easy access to canyons like West), workers (my dad spent 4 years helping build the Glen Canyon Dam by the way)...oh yea, what about lovers of fresh salad in the winter? Almost forgot, what about the fountains in Vegas, drinking/irragation water in Phoenix...I could go on all day.
10-18-2011, 10:21 AM
Deathcricket

Quote:

Originally Posted by trackrunner

There is an easy solution to get rid of the beetles.

Release some lizards from Asia to kill the beetles.

But you may ask: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by
lizards?

No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes.
They'll wipe out the lizards.

But you may ask: But aren't the snakes even worse?

Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of
gorilla that thrives on snake meat.

But you may ask: But then we're stuck with gorillas!

No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the
gorillas simply freeze to death.

OMG best post eva!!!
10-18-2011, 11:15 AM
ratagonia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandstone Addiction

Was he an insult to millions and millions of boaters, fishermen, wakeboarders/skiers, tourists from around the globe, canyoneers (who enjoy easy access to canyons like West), workers (my dad spent 4 years helping build the Glen Canyon Dam by the way)...oh yea, what about lovers of fresh salad in the winter? Almost forgot, what about the fountains in Vegas, drinking/irragation water in Phoenix...I could go on all day.

Yes.

T
10-18-2011, 04:04 PM
Sandstone Addiction

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratagonia

Yes.

T

Not sure if I understand what you mean...are saying that the millions of people I mentioned don't appreciate and admire what he's done for the west? Despite the fact that most have no idea who he was.
10-18-2011, 04:20 PM
ratagonia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandstone Addiction

Not sure if I understand what you mean...are saying that the millions of people I mentioned don't appreciate and admire what he's done for the west? Despite the fact that most have no idea who he was.

That's a political viewpoint question, Sandstone. I do not appreciate and admire what he has done for the west - I loathe it, because I would much rather have it closer to its natural state. I would rather access the Glen Canyon slot canyons via a month-long raft trip. And though you will think otherwise, I am well-informed on the issues, and realize the West would be quite a bit different without the beaver-complex constructions Lord Dominey created from billions of tax-payer dollars.

But yes, you are right. There are at least several million people that like the result, without perhaps an appreciation of what it took to produce it, both good and bad, admirable and loatheable. Just don't count me among them, on either count.

May I assume your father was competent enough to find employment somewhere else, if the damn dam had not served that purpose?

Or should we move this over to the Political Forum. (rhetorical, not a suggestion).

Tom :moses:
10-18-2011, 04:43 PM
canyoncaver

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandstone Addiction

Was he an insult to millions and millions of boaters, fishermen, wakeboarders/skiers, tourists from around the globe, canyoneers (who enjoy easy access to canyons like West), workers (my dad spent 4 years helping build the Glen Canyon Dam by the way)...oh yea, what about lovers of fresh salad in the winter? Almost forgot, what about the fountains in Vegas, drinking/irragation water in Phoenix...I could go on all day.

To quote Jules from Pulp Fiction: "This my friend, is just where you and I differ." I see everything you mention above as a negative, except perhaps salad in the winter. On that point I'm sure I could still enjoy a salad without the constructions of the aforementioned egomaniacal power tripper. Even if I couldn't, I would rather go salad free and live in a Utah that is also free of Lake Foul.

Fountains in Vegas? Really? I couldn't have picked a better example of the wasteful, decadent use of water in the West that Floyd Dominy made possible. In the process of creating unsustainable nightmare cities like Vegas and Phoenix, he killed the heart of canyon country AND the Colorado River Delta.

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