Ahh so when you clarify your statement it's acceptable, but when someone else does they are flip flopping?Quote:
Originally Posted by Last Child
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Ahh so when you clarify your statement it's acceptable, but when someone else does they are flip flopping?Quote:
Originally Posted by Last Child
Really JP, so I don't know if you are married or have kids, but you are saying that if they wanted to kill themselves "so be it" WTF!Quote:
Originally Posted by JP
Does it matter the aftermath they cause for the people they leave behind. My DH committed suicide and I am left to deal with two beautiful children who loved him dearly and dont understand his decision. Or how about his parents! Or how about all the loose ends he left and I get to tie up. Does any of that factor into yours or Redpb lack of compasion for the person who is so far below logical reasoning that they would kill themselves some how thinking that solves all problems.
I honestly hope neither of you ever have to experience such senseless loss.
I dont think anyone here is encouraging suicide or saying it isnt a big deal. My view is- dont pass the blame.
Again- the people in the crowd probably shouldnt have been encouraging him to jump- but ultimately everyone is responsible for themselves and you cant blame your actions on anyone else.
Dont jump down my throat saying like i am saying it is totally cool for the crowd to do that. And taking pictures is also another issue. But it isnt the crowds fault. The kid on the ledge had his life in his own hands. No one pushed him off.
And if it was my relative, obviously i would be devastated. It creates a huge mess for everyone else involved. But i wouldnt for a second blame the crowd...
I don't have compassion for someone selfishly taking their life and abandoning loved ones. I'm sure it was a long road to that point, why didn't he get help or talk to someone before? Again, I think he went up there with a mission and was going to do it or not regardless of the crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by blueeyessmiling
I do have compassion for the families and friends left behind that have to deal with it. It's not fair to them. I too hope I never have to deal with this. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
That's OK, we all get tied up in reading these things and from time to time, because of our own thoughts, we do not process them correctly :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Last Child
No, I have no idea what is going to happen to the moronic bystanders on their Judgment Day. I'm just referring to blame. Some feel the moronic bystanders should be held somewhat responsible in Jumper Jim jumping. The decision, for whatever reason, rests with Jumper Jim. The moronic bystanders did not force him up on a ledge, prevent him from taking the safe way down nor ultimately pushed him. Jumper Jim brought himself to that ledge for a reason, he jumped for the same, no matter how long he contemplated it.
I'm just thinking if the police arrested all the moronic bystanders, the story would have read POLICE ILLEGALLY ARRESTED MORONIC BYSTANDERS, VIOLATION OF CIVIL RIGHTS EVERYWHERE, WHAT IS THIS COUNTRY COMING TO! would have been the headline making very little on Jumper Jim and the moronic bystanders. They would have had a line each mentioned and then the remarks of the arrested on how the police tazed them, sprayed them and beat them :lol8:
Sorry to hear that your friend took her life, I like to see her father's life taken away in those circumstances.
And yep, it rests on the person whether to take that step or not. I can agree or disagree with it. In most cases, I disagree with suicide. But, that's just me.
FLIP FLOP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redpb
Two completely different statements. One is not a clarification of things not said. As were mine.
Stating that your comments speaks volumes does not imply that I know "Everything" about you as you insinuated. Thus the need for further clarification.
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Originally Posted by Last Child
finish the quote, looks like a clarification to me. Both contain some cruel statement and moving on about my day. and yes, I'm still cruel and heartless.
You stated it speaks volumes about me and my character. What else is left? So, if you know so damn much. Let's have it, tell these people who I am. How I go about my day, how I see the world, how I treat my wife, kids, how I treat my neighbor.
Can't we all just get along??? :roll:
The only reason that I brought this up was to try to illustrate that we, on the outside, never know what is going on on the inside or they why these things happen. There is no doubt that this action leaves a wave of destruction behind it. But sometimes the ones left behind getting all the sympathy and compassion are partly if not entirely to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by JP
I would just like people to try to understand how bad life must have been for a person to succumb to this drastic measure instead of automatically judging them and pointing fingers and yelling
QFEQuote:
Originally Posted by Redpb
no... :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by devo_stevo
[quote=Last Child]
The only reason that I brought this up was to try to illustrate that we, on the outside, never know what is going on on the inside or they why these things happen. There is no doubt that this action leaves a wave of destruction behind it. But sometimes the ones left behind getting all the sympathy and compassion are partly if not entirely to blame.
I would just like people to try to understand how bad life must have been for a person to succumb to this drastic measure instead of automatically judging them and pointing fingers and yelling
No; it's a forum. Arguments are what this was invented for.Quote:
Originally Posted by devo_stevo
Nope, you have missed what I have said on this topic today and what I wrote in the past. I view suicide as a totally selfish act. One that devastates loved ones long after the act has been committed. I have mentioned this many times. I donQuote:
Originally Posted by blueeyessmiling
[quote=Last Child]
I would just like people to try to understand how bad life must have been for a person to succumb to this drastic measure instead of automatically judging them and pointing fingers and yelling
Agreed. :nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by blueeyessmiling
Sorry guys (and ladies). I forget where I'm at sometimes. Bitch on...I mean, discuss on.
:nod: :haha: :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by blueeyessmiling
We ALL could use more compassion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redpb
As far as help is concerned. Again I must resort to my previous example. She tried. Her family disowned her. Her church abandoned her. She was a teenager all alone with no money. So how does she get the help? Not that that is a justification. But more something for those of us left behind to try understand.
My point being...We never know what some else has or is going through. Never.
Also I have to admit that this is a very sensitive subject for me. Because I have been that low. I have been there. I know exactly what it is like to really want to die with every fiber of my being. But I also know the flip side to that and how things can change. Fortunately or maybe unfortunately, depending on the way you view it, I have a unique perspective on this. That's why I try to get people to try to understand the other side. I used to be embarrassed to admit to this part of my life. But now that I don't give a shit what people think of me I have no problem with it. I have actually found that I can be of help to some.
It is so easy to say that it is a "selfish act" and condemn the person. A selfish act? Yes indeed. But he who lives his life for others will always be a miserable person. One thing they teach you in drug and alcohol rehab is to be "selfish" and take care of yourself. For if you can not take care of yourself then everyone around you suffers also.
I find it also a selfish act for those left behind to sit and whine about "poor me. They left me behind" instead of trying to truly understand "WHY"? That is the hardest part. It has been my experience that "most" people do not want to understand because that may hurt even more than living the life of denial and self pity and because it is so much harder to go down the road of understanding than the one of judgement and self pity.
I feel so sorry for this kid who is at the center of the O.P. My heart truly aches for him. And to think that people egged him on just f'n disgust me beyond belief.
Sometimes the people doing things like this and in this state of mind are looking for some help. So for people to jeer him on and encourage it....god, all I can say is that I hope that there is a judgement day. Because from what I know of most religions, Christianity mostly, is that this is anything but a Christ like or god like action. I would like to think that these scumbags will be held just as accountable as if they had pushed him. I see no difference.
Shaun Dykes I hope that you and/or your soul have found the peace that you were searching for.
To you cheering and jeering ass bags...F... YOU! :flipa:
Man I wish I could post what I really want to happen to these people.
Anyway getting down now. :soapbox:
Well put Last Child.
The fact that he commit suicide so pubically was a LOUD call for help, and he was denied.
It is obviously a sensitive subject for me too! Especially when people say that if a person makes their mind uo to do it, there is nothing you can do. You are proof that a person can be helped.
I don't see a family suffering with that pain, selfish. If they could have cared less about the person, pain would not be part of that equation. The reasons why may be a justification for the one who decides to make that step, but that doesn't mean the ones left behind viewed things as a reason to. In some cases the loved ones left behind truly wanted to help and were left holding the "What if's". When it's decided, it's decided the act is completed. Your reasoning's to or not to are ultimately yours. I'm glad you sided with the "not to".Quote:
Originally Posted by Last Child
Go ahead, always looking on perspectives on what should happen to @$$bags :lol8: