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After reading through the Cedar Mesa dog info I am reminded of the ATV battle. It appears that a few bad apples are ruining it for the majority. Nearly every item on the Cedar Mesa list is something responsible dog owners already adhere to or would have no problem with.
Just my two cents.
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Last major drainages on the Dirty Devil, east side. Right above the HWM of Lake Powell.Quote:
Scott where is this place at?
He's old enough now. :2thumbs: By the time Kessler was 7 months we were taking him overseas and to different continents.Quote:
Awesome! I can't wait until my son is old enough to do adventures with me. He's only 3 months right now. LOL
Agreed. It was a last minute surprise. We were actually all supposed to do the North Fork Robbers Roost and out the White Roost stock trail. Apparently my brother's dog sitter had to leave town and he brought the dogs. Both my other brother's kid and Kessler are scared of dogs. Luckily they were on leash at all times and the kids warmed up to them.Quote:
Whatzzup with the dogs, Scott? That's kinda deep wilderness to be bringing dogs into. Not cool.
When the dogs came, we had to completely change the destination. That's why we didn't do North Fork RR.
At least they were leashed at all times and are well mannered (didn't bark once). When we did Mount Belford in CO this dog come running up the trail when we were eating lunch. The dog jumped on Kessler (three years old at the time) and grabs his lunch and takes off. The owner comes behind and just walks by without saying a thing. No apology or anything while Kessler was sitting there crying, sacred, and without a lunch.
Yes I did bring it up on a thread. That's why Tom brough it up. Don't forget that SA illegal takes (or at least took) them through the national parks and put that in his book. Although I don't have a problem with dogs, I really don't like them printed in books as ideal in the remote wilderness or on popular trails without a leash. I was impressed by the behavoir of my brother's dogs and by the fact they were always on a leash, but I could do without them. As long as a dog is leashed an well behaved, I don't really care, but I don't think they should be taken along big horn trails. Of course I'm a nice guy and am not going to shoot them or make anyone not take them (I have been on several trips with dogs), but it doesn't mean I don't have an opinion about it and can't share it. I have many friends that I don't agree with everything they do, i.e. Mike Kelsey. Doesn't mean we can't be friends desite our differences in opinion. Wouldn't mind doing a trip with SA either.Quote:
scott been critical of steve allen for bringing a dog(s) into the wilderness ...
That's a whole new topic though and another thread. PS, I don't hate dogs, lest anyone misunderstand.
What a jackass!! I would've kicked him and his dog's ass!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Patterson
As I mentioned.... a couple of bad dog owners give the rest a black eye.... :nono:
Yeah, but not in front of my three year old son.Quote:
I would've kicked him and his dog's ---!!!
Interesting, so you can bring your dog, as long as you don't let him, you know, do dog-like things.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefan
Tom
Ding ding. We have a winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Udink
My viewpoint is that dogs have no place in the Wilderness, no matter how well behaved or controlled. (Exceptions: let's exclude all of Alaska, and bonafide service dogs).
My post was to provoke discussion of this issue. I'm quite happy to see that it was not Scott's intention to bring along the canines.
(More later).
Tom
I don't know about that. It seems to be more than just "a few bad apples" (with ATV's too). Although I was impressed with the bhavior of my brother's dogs, I would guess then much less than 10% of dogs I've seen out on the trails were leashed.Quote:
It appears that a few bad apples are ruining it for the majority. Nearly every item on the Cedar Mesa list is something responsible dog owners already adhere to or would have no problem with.
In most wilderness areas, the leash is a requirement. In a few wilderness areas, there are a few exceptions that add "or under immediate voice command."
Anyway, just curious what other's experience is. What pecentage of the dogs in the wilderness you have been to have been leashed?
Shane?
Cleaning up mess on a trail is another issue. We had to cut our Fisher Towers hike short because our 20 month old daughter got dog crap all over her pants when limbing the steps on the trail.
I think dog owners can be responsible, but I think it is more than "a few bad apples" that are not. As long as the three following rules are followed, I don't have a problem with them at all and think they should get out.
1. Dogs should be leashed on hikes and especially trails.
2. Dogs should not use big horn sheep trails.
3. Dogs should be cleaned up after.
Three simple rules, plus a quiet dog = friendly encounters. :2thumbs:
Curious why the exception? I understand that dogs in the wilderness can be very dangerous in AK because they can bring a pissed off Grizzly charging back into camp.Quote:
Exceptions: let's exclude all of Alaska