Dude is just batshit crazy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbvJ-fXRXUg&sns=em
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Dude is just batshit crazy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbvJ-fXRXUg&sns=em
I think its clear that a Bushmaster AR-15 type rifle was used and that the shootings really did occur. Really.Quote:
Originally Posted by BruteForce
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/l...188031071.html
Asshats and etadik, eh?
Hmmm.
This article notes what was seized, not necessarily how either weapon was used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
All I have to say is if you believe anything about Sandy Hooks that has been released by law enforcement, government or media to date you are an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
After Columbine it took the FBI 10 years to get the truth of what happened and wade through all the lies, misinformation and cover ups that occurred. To this day most people have no clue what really happened at Columbine and the amount of deceit that occurred, but only know the false stories that were spread immediately after the massacre.
Tap'n on my Galaxy G3
SLC police chief talks gun control in Washington
By Dave CawleyJanuary 28th, 2013 @ 9:15pm
http://img.ksl.com/slc/2251/225144/22514408.jpg
SALT LAKE CITY -- Salt Lake City's police chief sees easy access to firearms as one of the primary factors in the rash of mass shootings that have taken place across the United States in recent years and is supportive of proposed restrictions.
Chief Chris Burbank joined fellow law enforcement officials in addressing the topic with President Barack Obama Monday at the White House. Burbank serves as vice president for the Major Cities Chiefs Police Association and is in Washington, D.C. for the group's annual winter conference. He received the invitation only a short time before the meeting.
"It involved the leadership of the Major Cities Chiefs," Burbank said. "Unfortunately there were many people in the room who had experienced some violence in their own city."
That included the police chiefs from Newtown, Conn.; Aurora, Colo.; Oak Creek, Wis.; and Tucson, Ariz. among others.
"Kind of an infamous group, unfortunately," Burbank said. "Salt Lake City of course we had our own Trolley Square incident and then I honestly believe that we had another potential incident that because of a circumstance we were able to resolve and that was the shooter at one of our downtown hotels."
That is in reference to an Aug. 27, 2010 shootout between an AWOL soldier and Salt Lake City police officers outside the Grand America Hotel. The soldier, 28-year-old Brandon S. Barrett, arrived at the hotel in fatigues and body armor, carrying a .223-caliber assault rifle, two handguns and nearly 1,000 rounds of ammunition.
Hotel security denied him access to the building's upper levels. Officer Uppsen Downs then confronted Barrett across the street from the hotel, shooting and killing him.
While Barrett was a military member with firearms training, Burbank said he believes the public's access to such weapons is part of the larger problem.
"We need to do something to stem the violence, and part of that is access to firearms," he said. "I am not here to say, nor is any chief in the country, that firearms are completely to blame for it but it is certainly part of the problem."
President Obama offered weight to the perspective of law enforcement officials at the outset of the meeting, saying they are "where the rubber hits the road" when it comes to gun violence. He also used the opportunity to push for congressional action on universal background checks for gun buyers and a renewed ban on the sale of assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.
Salt Lake City's chief sees that as a valid approach.
"I agree with the president from his position that if there is some way that we can save even one life or that we can prevent a tragedy like this from occurring then we certainly owe it to the nation to look at that and find out if that is an avenue that we need to take," Burbank said.
Also present at the meeting were leaders of the Major County Sheriffs' Association, along with Vice President Joe Biden, Attorney General Eric Holder and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. Burbank said he did not come away from the meeting with the sense that any of the federal officials are interested in seizing weapons from the hands of law-abiding gun owners.
"There's not a piece of legislation that I've seen that said anyone, federal government or otherwise, is going to come and take firearms away," he said. "It all talks about future restrictions on access."
Both Burbank and Obama pointed out that gun violence is not only restricted to the so-called "active shooter" attempting to kill many people at once in a crowded area. Burbank, for his part, said too many people die each day in shootings.
"There needs to be some responsibility of not only police chiefs and sheriffs, but of politicians and the public in general needs to stand up and say
Father of Sandy Hook child, killed in massacre.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5KaaVb4hFw
This conversation is going on and the FBI director isn't sure if it's o.k. to kill Americans on US soil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iaWyPsD5eEA
And so--Now this administration has a problem with another Amendment -- VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Yeah, there's a gob of misinformation out there, quite confusing. I'm betting the source for some or most of it is self serving, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Note that CT updated the guns seized to help with any confusion:
http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226
Clear as mud.
Talk about self-serving and meeting an agenda...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
"Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine"
Is a quote from the report you linked. I have never heard professional law enforcement or military use the term "high capacity" when talking among their peers, it would be simply "30 round magazine". As we all know "high capacity" is a term coined by the pro gun control crowd as a scare tactic. I'll bet dollars to donuts the official report reads.
"Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with 30 round magazine"
There is no need to toss in the scary "high capicity" term among professionals.
:cool2: YMMV
Attachment 63134
The misinformation and disinformation machine is amazing. On both sides.
Yeah, "high capacity" and "30 rounds" is pretty redundant. And, its a common and fairly standard magazine size.
I dunno. Watching the coronor give report was pretty gutteral. I'm not sure how any rational and/or reasonable person could see that and think this whole thing was faked.
Be interesting to track down the sources of all these conflicting stories. The "he didn't use a Bushmaster" story has a bunch of traction. I wonder where that comes from? Does anyone have a vettable source?
I have no doubt the shooter had a Bushmaster (or a Bushmaster look-a-like).... my question from the conflicting stories would be "was the Bushmaster actually used or fired"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
Brian, you should read the book Columbine... one of the interesting parts of the book was the FBI agent who wrote the book tracked down the source of the miss-informationm and conflicts. I promise the book will not be a waste of your time and will answer some of the questions you have about Sandy Hooks.
:cool2:
Actually, would probably raise more questions than answers!Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Yeah, everyone I've talked to who read it said it was worthy. I'm in a book club (yeah, makes my man card vibrate a bit) and in the middle of Wind Sand and Stars right now (my pick), with several other reads I don't have time for stackin' up. Ugh.
I have the audiobook version of Columbine in MP3 format if anyone wants to borrow my copy.
Let me get this straight.... you guys walk around with a small hand-held devise capable of access all the worlds knowledge.... and you use this devise ramble on about guns?
Fixed that for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
You're welcome.
Tap'n on my Galaxy G3
Rock to the G, that is one great avatar!
I can't get the standard redneck voice from Southpark out of my head..."Obama's gunna take our guuuuuns."
I have now received letters back from all my congessmen. They were all similar to the one posted below. I also wrote the Utah Governer, Obama and Biden... none of them have responded to my letters yet.
:cool2:
Quote:
January 30, 2013
Dear Mr. Burrows,
Thank you for contacting me about your Second Amendment rights. I am an advocate of constitutional rights, and value the time you took to express your thoughts.
I support the Second Amendment. As a proud member of the Congressional Sportsmen's Caucus, I will do all in my power to ensure that the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens are not infringed. As a gun owner and concealed carry permit holder myself, I value my right to bear arms, but also my duty to bear them responsibly.
It is deeply saddening when senseless acts of violence occur. These acts of violence, as terrible as they are, should not be used as justification to revoke rights outlined in the United States Constitution, and upheld and preserved by the highest court in the land.
Again, thank you again for contacting my office. Please feel free to sign up for e-updates by visiting www.chaffetz.house.gov. You may also follow me on Twitter @JasonInTheHouse.
Sincerely,
Jason Chaffetz
Member of Congress
Bill Clinton warned the Democratic Party they would be making a big mistake to go after firearms. In a recent speech he told the party they would be losing a large number of seats at the mid-term elections if they didn't back off. This is the same Bill Clinton who signed the original Assault weapons ban and watched his party lose the House and Senate at the mid-term election.
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo saw a double-digit drop in his approval rating after an aggressive push for new gun control laws, a sign of potential trouble ahead if Cuomo opts to make a push for the White House in 2016. Cuomo’s approval rating fell to 59 percent from an all-time high of 74 percent in the survey, conducted by Quinnipiac University.
More on Cuomo here: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...n-control-push
Just sent off another $500 to NRA
You forgot the fomenting armed rebellion part.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
:moses:
If they attempt to take away our constitutional rights... you bet... freedom has never been free, it's always paid for in blood. But since I know you are not much of a fighter I'll give you a little hint... it's always better when you can make it the other guys blood.Quote:
Originally Posted by ratagonia
:flag:
keep an eye on upstate NY--I've heard rumors that concord has been drifting 300+/- miles West.
Apparently, now that NY has lost it's mind, some major manufactures are seeking more gun friendly states and many states want these large plants with jobs.
http://www.wktv.com/news/politics/Re...189105181.html
Remington will only be the first to leave the NE.
SenatorTed Cruz of Texas Letter to rahm of Chicago.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/122799297/...Sturm-Ruger-Co
AZ To Remington
http://gosar.house.gov/sites/gosar.h...%201-16-13.pdf
DHS--Use scissors or any weapon on hand---looks like a good training video on how to become a statistic.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...puVezePd6trYoM
I prefer this scenario, this guy potentially saved dozens of lives, but we'll never know because the shooter offed himself when he saw the CC.
That as opposed to hiding under your desk and becoming a murder statistic.
It's not for everybody and everybody will handle a stressful situation differently, I'm not advocating some type of rambo adventure, merely pointing out that this guy saved lives, undoubtedly, and his story is not in the news, continually.
So I guess if in the moment you feel these are your last breaths of life here on earth and your method of defense is between a pair of scissors and a gun--I hope anyone unfortunate enough to be in this predicament, chooses wisely.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-ma...183593571.html
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ths-fact-check
10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down
[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Georgia][FONT=Verdana]Fact-checking some of the gun lobby's favorite arguments shows they're full of holes.
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Why would you send money to the lobbying arm of a 15 billion dollar industry?Quote:
Originally Posted by oldno7
Even if you agree with their positions, they don't need your money.
:moses:
Why do you send money to suwa? their a multi million dollar conglomerate, flush with money from Hollywood.Quote:
Originally Posted by ratagonia
geez, hank where would one start on your list of innuendo?
How bout #9
there have been a record number of background checks in Dec. 2012, Jan. 2013
2.2 million in Dec.alone. Go look in a gun store--any gun store in the United States--THE SHELF'S ARE BARE. There are very few guns even available and less ammunition!!!!
Latest estimates are that 47% of households in the US, own guns. That translates into about 2-300 million individuals, own guns.(hardly decreasing #'s, especially since the greatest gun salesman of all time was re-elected in Nov.
Everything else you have is equally as week and completely un supported and completely ridiculous.
but hey--it is motherjones:roll:
Jeeze Kurty. Might wanna sober up a little before responding.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldno7
Wikipedia: "As of January 1, 2013, the United States had a total resident population of 315,250,000"
47% of that is: 148,167,500 people in the US live in households that own guns. Not 2-300 million individuals, own guns. Unless you meant somewhere between 2 and 300million - rather a broad range. You seem to think that EVERYONE in a household that has a gunowner owns guns, plus at least 35% more!!!!
I know. Reading comprehension and spelling is not your strong point. That's fine. I've enjoyed your paranoid delusional ravings - heck no one plays the hysterical gun fetishist quite as well as you do - very convincing! Thanks for the entertainment.
Tom :moses:
On another note--I upgraded my Life membership to Patron status and paid for 3 family members memberships.Quote:
Originally Posted by ratagonia
If you haven't noticed(but I know you have) Numbers of Folks + Money= Power (maybe not un-defeat able,but Powerful)
And maybe this is the #1 Reason I spend money with the NRA
(from feinstine)The NRA is venal. They come after you, they put together large amounts of money to defeat you," she said on CNN's "State of the Union." "They did this in '93, and they intend to continue it."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...nal/?hpt=hp_t2
Well TOMMIE GIRLQuote:
Originally Posted by ratagonia
Love it when you go to name calling, it is a sure guarantee that you have nothing!!!
they are only estimates, notice the spread, NOBODY knows the number and that is preferred.
The estimate was indeed between 2-300 million. Way to put the worthless college rag to work.(diploma:lol8:)
Heres a cnn article that backs my claim of a record # of background checks
http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/28/news...cks/index.html
btw, tommie, over on this side of the mountain they sell diplomas like the one you have at walmart--by the roll..
how long you want to play this game?
and I know you like wiki, sweety so here ya goQuote:
Originally Posted by ratagonia
Number of guns and gun owners in USA.
Most estimates range between 39% and 50% of US households having at least one gun (that's about 43-55 million households). The estimates for the number of privately owned guns range from 190 million to 300 million. Removed those that skew the stats for their own purposes the best estimates are about 45% or 52 million of American households owning 260 million guns).
and delusional might be described as one who spends years in college and thought he would become something.:haha:
I sent the NRA a big check two weeks ago. You can never have to much money in the war chest or enough soldiers on the battlefield if it's something you believe in.Quote:
Originally Posted by ratagonia
Tap'n on my Galaxy G3
Good Lord, you guys are KILLING me!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0
This would be the same Paul Gosar who had to change districts just to keep his job.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldno7
Hardly a revered figure in Arizona.