BREAKING: Former national security adviser Michael Flynn admitted a senior member of Trump's transition team directed him to make contact with Russian officials in 2016.
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BREAKING: Former national security adviser Michael Flynn admitted a senior member of Trump's transition team directed him to make contact with Russian officials in 2016.
#FakeNewsQuote:
Originally Posted by accadacca
There is nothing illegal about talking with Russia, there is nothing illegal about colluding with the Russians.
Flynn is in trouble for lying under oath, not talking to Russia.
Just curious @accadacca... what do you hope to gain with this Russian unicorn? Even if Trump is found guilty of something he will never be impeached (See Bill Clinton lying under oath about playing nasty with Lewinsky).
And back in the real news....
It looks like Trump is going to get his tax cut. With stocks booming, the economy catching fire and a tax cut in his pocket Trump is going to continue to be a dominating force.
Just remember I've been predicting for over a year that the 2018 election is going to be a blood bath in the Senate for Democrats.
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North Korea: Trump is 'begging for nuclear war'
http://www.good4utah.com/news/politi...-war/873482606
Depends on what the colluding was about...Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
If Russian hackers illegally hacked into email servers, for example, and had dirt...and the Trump team either sponsored that hacking or took advantage of that...wouldn't that be illegal?
Kinda like buying a car you know is stolen. Trump bought an election he knew was stolen.
Funny...folks stick a fork in Hillary for "selling US uranium to Russia" (which is fake news) but they give the Trump team a pass for their super shady dealings with Russia? Crazy.
Amazing the number of ties to Russa Trump has.
Painting of DaVinci that just sold for nearly a half a billion? The seller has huge (huuuge) ties with Trump.
Its just strange. Flynn gets let go by the Obama folk. Gets a paid junket by Russia to Russia. Hires on with the Trump team. Post election...he's chattin' with the Russians. Obama boots the Russians and implements sanctions. Flynn's back chattin' with the Russians and the Trump folks. Trump tweets how smart Putin is. That's...just...f'n crazy.
And folks are ok with all that?
Trump is Putin's bitch, bought and paid for, many times over.
And...that's ok, 'cause, Trump is your guy?
Just...wow.
Brian, you are missing my point.
If the Trump organization did something illegal they will find someone besides The Donald to fall on the sword (see Clinton playbook, page 1).
If Trump is discovered lying under oath nothing will come of it so long as the GOP controls the house or Senate. (see Clinton playbook, page 2).
If this investigation starts getting to close to Trump the story will be spun into a complicated labyrinth of smoke and mirrors along will legal entanglements that will never be unravelled until long after Trump is dead. (see Clinton playbook, page 3).
This has nothing to do with Trump being your guy or not. It has to do with understanding how things actually work in the real world and not a utopia .
As for my personal view it has nothing to do with being Republican or Democrat, because I consider the whole lot of them to be some of the most corrupt people on the planet. YMMV
after the election I'll have more flexibility
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE
Russian collusion uncovered?!?
It appears president elect Trump might have attempted to get the Russians to postpone the December 2016 UN resolution involving Israel until after he took office.
If true... half the country will want to impeach Trump... The other half will want to give him a medal...
#FakeNews makes headlines... again...
After erroneous Flynn report, ABC News suspends Brian Ross
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46209815&nid=157
I believe Dirk said this recently.... The current state of politics is that it's an echo chamber. People are going to get the message they're looking for.
#fakenews is weakest and most troubling argument I've seen in my adult lifetime. A free press is written into the Bill of Rights and I have little respect for anyone that jumps on that bandwagon. That goes for those students in Berkeley that dis-invites a guest that doesn't meet their "Group-Think" standards. Totally embarrassing considering the University's past.
Air Force One arrives this morning in Salt Lake City.
The president’s itinerary is as follows:
10:50 a.m. Trump arrives at the Roland R. Wright Air National Guard Base, which is just east of the Salt Lake City International Airport.
11:20 a.m. Trump will meet with leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints at Welfare Square at 751 W. 700 South in Salt Lake City.
11:45 a.m. Trump tours Welfare Square.
12:40 p.m. Trump speaks at the state Capitol.
1:35 p.m. Trump departs from the Roland R. Wright Air National Guard Base.
^^^You'd think his itinerary would be less transparent in the interest of security. :ne_nau:
From the Onion :haha:
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I was downtown for a Regan visit and the one thing I noticed is they do NOT drive the roads you would expect. Look at a map and plot the route you would take and then know they will not be driving on any of those roads.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
Protesters are lining the streets!
I've never understood this behavior. What....do people think that if they protest loud enough Trump will just forget everything change his plans?Quote:
Originally Posted by accadacca
"What?! They're protesting?! Well, turn this limo around. I guess we're going back to Washington..."
Besides, are all liberals just unemployed or something? There's plenty of causes I'd like to march around the streets protesting, but I've got a job. Aint got time for that shit.
https://www.facebook.com/ksltv/video...6308546418676/Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
And more protestors: https://www.facebook.com/GetGephardt...FdQdUHRBcAjY8I
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Originally Posted by accadacca
Damn.... when I single I had house parties with larger crowds then that.
The one thing they did get correct is.... "This is what democracy looks like". To quote Barack Obama "Elections have consequences".
...and, if they dislike Trump so much, wouldn't they want him to get out of the State as fast as possible? Seems like all they did was keep him in the State longer by slowing down his departure a tad.
Liberals are weird.
"Hey Trump stay out of our lands"
---OK Utah here's your land back
True.... plus we hate Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sombeech
Decent sized groups at several locations:Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
https://media.deseretdigital.com/fil...c=6&a=e0717f4c
https://media.deseretdigital.com/fil...c=6&a=e0717f4c
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^^^ I didn't see any Proclamation changes that protect mining and drilling....WTF? :ne_nau:
Maybe cuz there's nothing to mine there, perhaps? Just a wild guess...
...and this lady wants to talk to the manager:
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Originally Posted by rockgremlin
Another promise kept....
Trump forges ahead on Jerusalem-as-capital despite warnings
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46211115&nid=235
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How does this benefit the US?:ne_nau:Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
I find this funny coming from a guy that says Trump doesn't keep his promises.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
Do you mean other then actually enforcing the law? If you don't like the law then change it, but don't ignore it. We are a land of laws, we do not get to just obey the laws we like.
That doesn't answer the question on how this will help the US. I also know that Trump didn't make that law (it was passed in 1995). I'm just asking what advantage to the US there is to doing so. Notice that it is phrased in the form a question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Also, I never said that Trump didn't keep all of his promises. I said that about health care, but not everything.
This benefits the US because the American public gets exactly what they have been asking for the past 22 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
A better question would be how is doing the same dumbass thing we have been doing the past 22 years and getting nowhere helping the American public?
See what I did there? :haha:
The first thing I was taught in military school was "do something".... charge, retreat, or get the hell out of the way.... but whatever you do just do something, because anything is better than sitting around with your thumb up your ass doing nothing.
See, you just should of said that in the first place. I was just wondering your rational, especially since you aren't religious (many support Israel for religious reasons, though many non-religious people do as well).Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Anyway, my own thoughts are as follows:
It is true that the law passed in 1995, but at the time the world was arguably more stable than it ever has been historically (which is to say that there were still many problems). Clinton and Bush II both pledged (and then broke the promises) to move the embassy, but for better or worse nothing ever came of it because of security concerns. US citizens have become less decisive or neutral on the matter.
Al Qaeda and ISIS will be pissed off no matter what we do, so we shouldn't care what they think. That said though, before moving the embassy to Jerusalem, we should focus on ridding the world of ISIS and Al Qaeda. Then maybe we should think about moving the embassy. The former is much more important and should be our focus.
As it stands now, it doesn't seem that much (or anything) is to be gained by moving the embassy. At a minimum, it could and probably would increase the danger level to the embassy staff. If I was an ambassador or other embassy staff, I'd certainly feel more secure in Tel Aviv, but would do my duty regardless.
Plus Tel Aviv is only ~33 miles from Jerusalem. That's about the distance from Salt Lake to Provo. Tel Aviv is also the major air and transportation hub. Is it really worth the extra security risk for the sake of a 33 mile distance?
I just can't think of any advantages, other than the physiological support of Israel for moving the embassy. Of course if there is an advantage that I'm missing, feel free to point it out. You are right that the decision to move the embassy was made 22 years ago though.
In my own opinion, we have every right to move the embassy, but there are a lot more important things to focus on.
In listening to the anal-ysis on the radio today, it takes that bargaining chip off the table for the Palestinian leaders...punishment for them dragging their feet all these years.
We take this off the table, and then threaten something else important until they finally (at least) recognize Israel's right to exist and come to the negotiations with real intent. Seems sensible to me and it's what I would do...
"Hey assholes, we're going to bite off chunks until you come around". Make a choice or suffer. Enough of this going nowhere, decades long "peace process".
Also, it's sending a loud message to Iran and their proxies that we've got Israel's back.
I love it...Trump not being content with just going along with the program. Clinton would have played both sides just like Barry did.
Actually the US already maintains a large compound in Jerusalem which they conduct state business out of. Trump could simply have hung a US Embassy sign over the door and called it good, but he didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott P
I think TwoTimer nailed it, Trump is using the Embassy as a negotiating tool. Anyone that has read Trumps book "Art of the Deal" knows exactly what he is doing. Trump just took away much of the Palestinians leverage and forced them to the table before they lose all their leverage. The clock is now working against the Palestinians... tick - tock....
Say what you like about Trump, but the guy understands money and he understands negotiations.
Yes and we have a consulate there.Quote:
Actually the US already maintains a large compound in Jerusalem which they conduct state business out of.
We'll see. Obviously every reasonable person, including myself, wishes Trump the best outcome in this regard. I think everyone that knows history expects that this is to take a bargaining chip away from the Palestinians.Quote:
Trump just took away much of the Palestinians leverage and forced them to the table before they lose all their leverage. The clock is now eorkong against the Palestinians.
Say what you like about Trump, but the guy understands money and he understands negotiations.
On a different note, the elephant in the room is being ignored. It has been going on a long time and long before Trump came into office. The elephant it Turkey (although that sounds funny in a way). Turkey has the most powerful army in the Middle East, but the country is mostly ignored. In addition, Turkey, especially by Middle East standards and since the 1940's has been a strong ally of the US fight on terrorism. It was also the first country in the region to recognize Israel. In recent years both Turkish-Israeli relations and US-Turkish relations have been deteriorating for several years. This should be very concerning to anyone following what is going on in the Middle East. Although we don't have to do anything just to please Turkey, the move of the embassy could further sour relations.
I do see more negatives than positives in moving the embassy, but obviously I hope for the best as everyone else should as well.
No reasonable person would want this to fail just to make Trump look bad. In all likelihood, and hopefully it won't be much of an issue.
Still, I think there are more important issues (such as ISIS and Al Qaeda) than doing things like moving the embassy. As far as I'm concerned, that should be and hopefully is the #1 priority.
I might disagree. He's a terrible negotiator. Bankruptcy...defaulting on the Deutchbank loan, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
The only people he successfully negotiates with are Russians...but, what we don't know...is who owns his marker, or, when the chickens come home to roost.
So...this announcement...what was the quid pro quo? What did Trump (and the US) get? Nada. He just gave away all his negotiating power. He coulda brokered a deal...but...didn't. Just gave up the farm. Nada in return.
That Hatch and Lee support this doesn't bode well for them back home either. When the BYU/church properties start seeing...issues....well,, we'll see.
Interesting stuff...
https://www.lds.org/ensign/1972/05/t...-land?lang=eng
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYU_Jerusalem_Center
Holy war...?
http://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/...ainst-mormons/
Who's the puppet master?
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...ran-syria.html
Interesting to ponder the long term strategy.
Who benefitted from cheap oil? Who got hurt?
Whacky, crazy stuff.
I think previous administrations were smart to straddle the line...and not to step too far to one side of it. Well, that die appears to have been cast.
We shall see...
Brian, your total lack of business knowledge surprises me. Trump owns over 500 companies and less then a dozen have gone bankrupt. That is an amazing track record for any businessmen.
Also, claiming bankruptcy is not always a bad thing for a company as it allows them room for other options.
Closing a business is not always a bad thing. No reason to toss money down a black hole when it can be invested in more lucrative endeavors.
You need to understand that when Trump was a citizen his loyalty was with his company and not outside interests or banks. In fact a company owner is required by law to do what is best for his company and its share holders. What is best for a company is seldom what is best for outside interests.
As for Palestine no one has been able to broker a deal in 22 years and they were all using the same tactics. Trump didn't give away his negotiating power, he took away the Palestinians time. In business time is always the most important item, much more then money. You can make deals on money, you can add or subtract money, but you can never change time.
http://www.businessinsider.com/donal...dnt-work-out-1
http://www.businessreviewusa.com/lea...s-and-failures
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b007c36e4f1bff
The guy who actually wrote "Art of the Deal" has some interesting comments...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1E104U
I was reading through Trump's twitter feed and noticed that a bunch of women are posting pictures of their naked boobs and saying that their tits would make a better president.
If you want to see the uncensored version, you will have to go to the tweets themselves:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...02355878440960
There are more similar photos form other women on other tweet responses as well. I'm surprised that they have lasted a few days.