Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Iceaxe

Seriously?!? You believe any statement released by the Chinese government? The biggest issue with Covid-19 from the start is the Chinese have not been honest. Just this morning several US medical experts testified before Congress that our death toll would be half if China had of released what they knew just one week earlier in January.

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And I would like to add that I sincerely doubt Americans attitude towards this virus would be any different if we would have had the information a week earlier. But don't worry according to Trump this will just disappear. According to you guys it will after the election unless we put that off.

Too many people didn't think this would ever be a problem for the US. And even a weeks more notice wouldn't have prepared us any better. The preparation for a pandemic should have happened long time ago.

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Originally Posted by blueeyes

The preparation for a pandemic should have happened long time ago.

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It kinda was...The WHO was funded with hundreds of billions of dollars to be the canary in the coal mine with this stuff...and to say they dropped the ball is an understatement. Personally, I think the Chinese deliberately released this thing as an attack on the world.

In terms of being prepared with massive stocks of ventilators, masks, goggles, gloves, sanitation stuff, a "plan"...to expect the government to be truly "prepared" for just about anything is folly.

If aliens show up with bad intent our ass is grass.

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Originally Posted by Byron

It kinda was...The WHO was funded with hundreds of billions of dollars to be the canary in the coal mine with this stuff...and to say they dropped the ball is an understatement. Personally, I think the Chinese deliberately released this thing as an attack on the world.

In terms of being prepared with massive stocks of ventilators, masks, goggles, gloves, sanitation stuff, a "plan"...to expect the government to be truly "prepared" for just about anything is folly.

If aliens show up with bad intent our ass is grass.

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No that is not preparation.

92 years ago people knew what it was like to frequently lose loved ones to infectious disease. Before the advent of antibiotics and immunosuppressive drugs and the ability to develop vaccinations. Before the golden age life expectancy was on average 47 years. The majority of that generation is gone. Very few are left.

Our abuse of antibiotics and lack of education for the general public on how this all works is taking us back. This is a virus and you can't treat it with antibiotics. But the attitude around how easy it is to generally treat infections has decreased the respect for viral and bacterial infections.

General attitude is walk into the doctor and demand X to treat whatever and you go on about your life.

Very few people took the news of this virus seriously even when the information was released. Oh we are in America we are above that nonsense.

Preparing the entire nation for a pandemic comes with building trust in the people who are in charge. Any trust on information coming out has almost completely eroded.

You can stock pile as much medicine and ventilators as you can but they do you no good if you can't get people to listen to and go along with the simplest instructions as wear a mask, social distance yadda yadda. Those items you stock piled do you very little good.

The amount of bullshit information spread by so called experts kills me..and how easily people want to believe that bullshit because they just want this to go away blows my mind.

Yes the CCP is devious and in general out to line their own pockets. They have been up to some very nefarious things. So easy to blame this on them to try and make sense of something that is random. And if it makes you feel better or vindicated to blame China that is your prerogative.

This virus was naturally occurring. Just like every other pandemic that has blazed across this globe. Mother Nature can be a real bitch sometimes.

I am still voting for aliens. I mean seriously how awesome would 2020 be if we had solid and final proof aliens existed. Besides it would take our minds off the virus.

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Originally Posted by blueeyes

if it makes you feel better or vindicated to blame China that is your prerogative.

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Nice post...with the exception of this part.

"Feeling better" about it all or feeling "vindicated" by blaming China is hardly "how I feel" in regards to this...and is a rather poor dismissal of my opinion.

If your husband is screwing the neighbor, who do you blame? Him or her? Both? Does it matter? He's cheating on ya...that's the bottom line.

Of course, he'll tell ya it isn't happening and your imagination if running away with you. What you think is happening isn't actually happening.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Life is funny that way, huh? You gotta pick a side.

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Originally Posted by Byron

Nice post...with the exception of this part.

"Feeling better" about it all or feeling "vindicated" by blaming China is hardly "how I feel" in regards to this...and is a rather poor dismissal of my opinion.

If your husband is screwing the neighbor, who do you blame? Him or her? Both? Does it matter? He's cheating on ya...that's the bottom line.

Of course, he'll tell ya it isn't happening and your imagination if running away with you. What you think is happening isn't actually happening.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Life is funny that way, huh? You gotta pick a side.

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Good thing I don't have a husband and don't want one.

Comparing cheating to the origin of this virus is an odd stretch in my book.

Again my humble opinion is this was natural disaster that most minds can't or won't choose to comprehend. People need an explanation, a scape goat. Whatever...

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Originally Posted by blueeyes

Comparing cheating to the origin of this virus is an odd stretch in my book.

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Oh yes, yes it is! I'm full of all kinds of weird analogies...some may say full of shit, too...and that's OK.

My point being "pick a side"...pick who you believe. Him, her, yourself? Question everything and trust no one.

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Originally Posted by Byron

Oh yes, yes it is! I'm full of all kinds of weird analogies...some may say full of shit, too...and that's OK.

My point being "pick a side"...pick who you believe. Him, her, yourself? Question everything and trust no one.

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Like I said believe whatever you like and makes you happy.


I believe random shit happens. In this case given history and what I know and have studied concerning viruses and continue to study. I will go with Mother Nature cooked this one up herself.

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Originally Posted by blueeyes

Very few people took the news of this virus seriously even when the information was released. Oh we are in America we are above that nonsense.

Preparing the entire nation for a pandemic comes with building trust in the people who are in charge.

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Are you referring to when Nancy Pelosi told everyone to stop worrying and go celebrate the Lunar New Year in San Francisco's Chinatown back in late February?

Or that other time when Obama's former health advisor Dr. Emanuel told everyone to stop worrying about Coronavirus back in January? Hell sakes, Dr. Emanuel told everyone live on MSNBC that Coronavirus "couldn't be transmitted person-to-person". :eek2:

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Originally Posted by rockgremlin

Are you referring to when Nancy Pelosi told everyone to stop worrying and go celebrate the Lunar New Year in San Francisco's Chinatown back in late February?

Or that other time when Obama's former health advisor Dr. Emanuel told everyone to stop worrying about Coronavirus back in January? Hell sakes, Dr. Emanuel told everyone live on MSNBC that Coronavirus "couldn't be transmitted person-to-person". :eek2:

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Yes. I am. And every time Trump said it was under control and will just disappear. So many quotes on both sides that dismissed the seriousness of this virus ans still keep dismissing it. It is a political shit show. Pretty much what America has become.

I have said it before both sides suck.

How many times do I have to say they both act like ****ing idiots. Both sides are to blame for the shitty way this has been handled.



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Originally Posted by blueeyes

This article isn't about how many would or wouldn't have died.

China absolutely should have been more transparent about the issues from the start.

I still do not believe this was engineered. My humble opinion you can believe whatever you like.

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I don't believe the virus was engineered... but I do believe it was intentionally introduced and allowed to spread. The US had won the trade war and brought the Chinese economy to its knees. The Chinese were left with only two alternatives... conceded to US demands or go scorched earth and bring the rest of the world down to its level for an even playing field... guess which direction they went?

This is more then just the Coronavirus, you need to look big picture. If you don't look at this from a military and economic standpoint from a cold war perspective you will never understand.

China is not our friend, their stated national goal is world domination. Our government has been playing everyone gets a trophy for the past 30 years and China has been playing to win, take no prisoners, if you're not cheating you're not trying for the past 30 years. Time to pull your head out of the Sand. China has no desire for peaceful coexistence.

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Originally Posted by rockgremlin

Are you referring to when Nancy Pelosi told everyone to stop worrying and go celebrate the Lunar New Year in San Francisco's Chinatown back in late February?

Or that other time when Obama's former health advisor Dr. Emanuel told everyone to stop worrying about Coronavirus back in January? Hell sakes, Dr. Emanuel told everyone live on MSNBC that Coronavirus "couldn't be transmitted person-to-person". :eek2:

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I landed in Hawaii on January 6th and when I wasn't backpacking in the boonies I would scan the headlines once a day just to make sure WW3 hadn't started.

I remember ALL of this stuff regarding the virus...about a week after I got there the first mention of "Chinese Virus in Wuhan" showed up. I thought, "OK, just another one of these things, they'll get a handle on it"...the impeachment thing is what was dominating but as the days went by the virus thing ramped up.

I flew back to the mainland on Feb.22nd. I recall thinking about 2 weeks before that flight that I may not be able to make it back if they started restricting movement. I thought for sure if it hit the states it would start in Hawaii because of so many Asians vacationing there. It didn't, of course. The stinking CCP bypassed the island altogether and went straight for the west coast...NY, too. Sammied us.

I saw all the confusion while I was there...the politicians, doctors, "experts", etc. careening around all over the place. So it's easy for me to see the two faced BS when they try to insist that "this (or that) is what we did back then".

There 'aint nobody to trust. That's just the way it is.

I'll make an exception for military men that kick ass and take names...Patton or Schwarzkopf, guys like that...anyone else? Nah.

Meanwhile, how is Sweden doing? Are they on the recovery side of this without shutdowns, mandatory d face diaper decrees, schools closing? How is their economy fairing? Mental health? Suicides? Substance abuse? They seemed to go against the conventional mainstream ‘science’ that been pushed by most other countries (I recall New Zealand gloating several weeks back about near out at zero confirmed cases thanks in large part to practically full house arrest and complete closed borders). When all is said and done, did they take the right approach?

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Speaking of Sweden....an article submitted to USAToday from 25 Swedish doctors and scientists:

“Don’t do what we did.”


https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/5472100002/


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Originally Posted by blueeyes

No that is not preparation.


Preparing the entire nation for a pandemic comes with building trust in the people who are in charge. Any trust on information coming out has almost completely eroded.

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Blueeyes, I appreciate and respect the vast majority of your alternative viewpoints on here. But, I’m going to have to call you on this one. I think this is total BS. At what point are we supposed to be trusting ‘the people in charge’? When they tell us that this virus is not spread from person to person? When they tell us one moment not to wear masks because they aren’t very effective and healthy people don’t need to wear one? Or the next moment when the same people are saying we should all be wearing masks, and now are telling us to wear face shields as well? Are we supposed to trust the government leaders who funnel sick patients into rest homes and kill 10s of thousands of people? Or the medical professionals who praise those leaders and say they are doing things right? Are we supposed to trust the people that condemn the approach that Sweden took? Or the ones that praised them and said they should be the model ( same group, just a few months apart). Are we supposed to trust the ones that say people shouldn’t congregate in churches, but refuse to say the same about riots ( er, peaceful protesting)? After POTUS stops travel from China, do we listen to the leaders that condemn him for it and tell us to come on down to Chinatown for a good time, or do we believe them was month later when they criticize him for not doing enough to stop the virus? Which leaders are we supposed to follow, and when?

The Trust has been eroded in these people because they haven’t gotten anything right on this, yet. They have flipped everything several times.

There’sa saying something about the more you learn about history, the more you distrust the government.

It’s crazy how people can look at the same scenario and come to completely different conclusions. The socialists are fawning over this pandemic, drooling saying how it proves how we need to have government ran healthcare. I look at all of the blinders with this pandemic, and the majority of the problems I’ve seen have been political blowups by politicians trying to play doctor, and even more evidence to me that the government should get the hell out of healthcare.

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Originally Posted by blueeyes

And I would like to add that I sincerely doubt Americans attitude towards this virus would be any different if we would have had the information a week earlier. But don't worry according to Trump this will just disappear. According to you guys it will after the election unless we put that off.

Too many people didn't think this would ever be a problem for the US. And even a weeks more notice wouldn't have prepared us any better. The preparation for a pandemic should have happened long time ago.

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You live on a different planet. So do I....I watched a recent content on Taiwan. Was it real? The street fare and all the people in action. I wanted some of that food lol(its in 4k). Everybody in real time just living THEIR lives. There was probably 2% wearing masks. It was so damning on our state of Stockholm syndrome and all of the fake grins. Economy was buzzing and all of the antics of people who arent cowering in fear of politics. Myself, I like the cancel culture these days and maybe we should all get it over with and suicide together(because thats what we are doing in slo-mo). But...if we do make it back like Taiwan did, all bets are off. Hell fury for whats happened is fine with me...weve been played so bad people should be..well lets not go there.

Thats why to me the nanny state corrupts the meaning of everything. I dont talk about Covid because the main problem is the nanny state...you avoid that and you lose no matter the subject.
And you talk about dark because you dont know the 10% of it. I only had a small interaction with it by going to Hawaii years back, but it was scary then and that was kind of tame.
I dont pay that much attention, but its all bad news. Its beyond bad, I dont know what it is.

So many, but I still think about the couple who got married recently. And what a time that is for someone. And so who shows up, but it was time for $1000 citations for everyone...and they never got to say I do on that event. I was like you could not get anyone to believe that scene in a movie where the cops do that. But now it was defended...like, of course, shame on them. They know you get your virtual wedding and once you realize it its even more happier...so now 2 people in love cant say it to each other because safer at home. Of course those Glendale cops are now on the street to enforce face masks. As its not about facemasks, its about disobeying Daddy.

I'm having a little trouble deciphering about half of what you said, but no matter...I like it!

This sums it up nicely...


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Originally Posted by blueeyes

And if it makes you feel better or vindicated to blame China that is your prerogative.

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MADE in China. :lol8:

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Which leaders are we supposed to listen to and trust, again? The ones that count deaths as Chins virus so they get more money? Are those the ones we’re supposed to trust? So confusing.

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