President Trump

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Originally Posted by qedcook

You're the one that said that "Making money from investments is also mooching off the system, just in a different way." So, when you said that, 'it just meant whatever you wanted it to mean in order to make a point, "be right," judge others, etc. Totally subjective.'???

I'm not trying to be a jerk about it, but your claim just seemed so ridiculous. To me, not by any stretch of the imagination, and not by any logical definition of any of the vocabulary, could you say: "Making money from investments is also mooching off the system, just in a different way."

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What I was trying to say is that "mooching off the system" is a politically loaded term that is entirely subjective. Its meaning will vary with the individual. Old fake news dies hard. For example: the notorious "Welfare Queen" myth that has long been discredited - it still resonates in national politics. So when folks start tossing "mooching off the system" around as if it's as well defined as the number 2, it's time to poke holes in it.

It's a fair question to ask, "what is earning" b/c of its inherent subjectivity. For example, there are ways to "earn" money through investments, and there are ways to "steal" or "mooch" money through investments. I submit that most folks who invest money are receiving more money than is their due by a moral standard of "earning" That is, if you have enough money, you can simply hire someone to invest it for you, make a bunch of dough, without really "earning" it in the sense that you put forth a real effort to receive that money. In other words, buying money is not earning money (to me), so what is it? I call it "mooching off the system."

What would be a real-life example to your mind of "mooching off the system" ?

Mooching off of the system is in the eye of the beholder. To some it may be a single mom with 3 kids living on welfare, to another it may be a Southern Utah welfare rancher paying significantly below market rates to keep their cattle on public land, to still others it may be a corn famer succeeding thanks to ethanol mandates and subsidies.

It's easy of course to point at the other team and see then mooching, harder is to see where your team may be mooching.

Mooching of the system is using someone else's resources when you can provide for yourself. Investing in the stock market with your own money does not qualify.

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Originally Posted by oldno7

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The more openly racist folk are still upset that a black man occupied the White® House. Interesting parallel between the monument-topplers and these sad attempts at erasing more recent history (at taxpayer expense, natch).

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Originally Posted by hank moon

The more openly racist folk are still upset that a black man occupied the White® House.

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I'm kinda one of those dudes. It's not that he was black that bothered me, it's that he was a lazy caricature. He should have brought the black community at least a little bit out of the ghetto. Instead he and his media puppet masters made it worse. They created a freaky kind of war between class, race and sex.

It's funny to me that guys like Sharpton and Farrakhan preach about the house negro being bought up in politics only to be manipulated by the Jewish heirarchy, and that's exacty what happened. Friggin' ironic, huh?

It's all just a three ringed circus side show of freaks.

^^^THIS^^^

When Obama was elected I thought, well at least this guy understands race relations and will be able to forward that agenda..... WRONG! .... Obama set race relations back 30 years.

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Originally Posted by Iceaxe

^^^THIS^^^

When Obama was elected I thought, well at least this guy understands race relations and will be able to forward that agenda..... WRONG! .... Obama set race relations back 30 years.

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And you really think Trump is doing better with this? (Serious question).

Racism has no place in modern society (and I do know that it's not only whites that can be racists).

Obama and the Democrats have been weak with calling out Islamic racism, but the Republicans have been weak with calling out right wing terrorism. I'm not afraid to call out both sides.

No, Trump is doing no better. But I never expected Trump to be great at fixing race relations, that's a HUGE difference. At least Trump hasn't set black race relations back 30 years like Obama did.

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Originally Posted by hank moon

The more openly racist folk are still upset that a black man occupied the White® House. Interesting parallel between the monument-topplers and these sad attempts at erasing more recent history (at taxpayer expense, natch).

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See your wrong again, which it seems you take great pride in...:roflol:

You see, I was equally upset with his white half..

your better at mooching off the system than trolling, go back to doing what you have perfected..

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Originally Posted by twotimer

I'm kinda one of those dudes. It's not that he was black that bothered me, it's that he was a lazy caricature. He should have brought the black community at least a little bit out of the ghetto. Instead he and his media puppet masters made it worse. They created a freaky kind of war between class, race and sex.

It's funny to me that guys like Sharpton and Farrakhan preach about the house negro being bought up in politics only to be manipulated by the Jewish heirarchy, and that's exacty what happened. Friggin' ironic, huh?

It's all just a three ringed circus side show of freaks.

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I had the same thought. As far as I was concerned, the fact that he got elected was objective proof that the USA was moving beyond its ugly past with regards to racism and all that.

If he had come into the office and told the country that just because you are born a black kid in a poor family and raised by a single mother, it doesn't mean that you can't go to the best schools, get a great job, care for your family, and who knows, become the president of the United States of America, I think that things could be much better than they are now.

That's not what he did though. Every time something happened or he got up to speak, he told us all about how america hates black people and that until recently, they weren't allowed into museums or whatever it was they were talking about at the time. That really doesn't help much at all. In fact, if you want to move forward, the best way to do that is to not look back. It felt like that's all he did was look backwards in regards to race relations. As a result, the entire country started to do the same thing and suddenly, we're right back in it.

I don't listen or watch most of Trump's addresses to the nation, but I have noticed all of them that I can remember, he emphasizes coming together as all Americans. I don't follow politics much because it's just something else to get mad at while not having any control, but jeez at least the dude is trying to build relations with the black community.

He could just throw millions at the problem but he's down in Houston visiting with the victims.

Of course, here's how CNN would view it, in this near non parody.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-1YeOw6G3o

ROFLMAO......... :roflol:

Who is the wax-figure anchorman on that report? Or is it computer-generated?

Genuine q.

Rob

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Originally Posted by Rob L

Who is the wax-figure anchorman on that report? Or is it computer-generated?

Genuine q.

Rob

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At the end in the corner? That's Mark Dice.

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Originally Posted by devo_stevo

I had the same thought. As far as I was concerned, the fact that he got elected was objective proof that the USA was moving beyond its ugly past with regards to racism and all that.

If he had come into the office and told the country that just because you are born a black kid in a poor family and raised by a single mother, it doesn't mean that you can't go to the best schools, get a great job, care for your family, and who knows, become the president of the United States of America, I think that things could be much better than they are now.

That's not what he did though. Every time something happened or he got up to speak, he told us all about how america hates black people and that until recently, they weren't allowed into museums or whatever it was they were talking about at the time. That really doesn't help much at all. In fact, if you want to move forward, the best way to do that is to not look back. It felt like that's all he did was look backwards in regards to race relations. As a result, the entire country started to do the same thing and suddenly, we're right back in it.

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Holy Moses dude...that was a beautiful post.

Thanks a lot. I really believe that he had a great opportunity to move this country into a better place. More than any person in history. He squandered it due to his bitterness toward the past. Whether you agree with him politically or not, it doesn't matter. Nobody else has had the ability that he did to move this country in a positive direction regarding racial issues than him, and he threw it away.

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Originally Posted by devo_stevo

Thanks a lot. I really believe that he had a great opportunity to move this country into a better place. More than any person in history. He squandered it due to his bitterness toward the past. Whether you agree with him politically or not, it doesn't matter. Nobody else has had the ability that he did to move this country in a positive direction regarding racial issues than him, and he threw it away.

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Its interesting, the Obama legacy, especially with regard to race.

What demographic or data would you point to that shows his success or failure?

Hate crimes against people of color up or down during his presidency? Down.

This trend up or down under Trump? Up.

Estimate of racially focused hate group numbers up or down during Obama? Down.

Trend up or down under Trump? Up.

Anyhow...interesting to ponder. Double standards...damned if he did, damned if he didn't.

Thoughtful article:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...sident/309064/

Obama's response to the Trayvon situation? His speech after the verdict is pretty interesting to consider:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...trayvon-martin

Ferguson?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.bef27d0c3573

Ours is a nation of laws: of citizens who live under them and for the citizens who enforce them.

Obama's background? Columbia then Harvard Law. In the big media frenzy race issues of the day, he let the law run its course. Didn't take sides. Let the process work.

Remember...he taught constitutional law.

I've always liked this quote:

“The thing is, a black man can’t be president in America, given the racial aversion and history that’s still out there,” Cornell Belcher, a pollster for Obama, told the journalist Gwen Ifill after the 2008 election. “However, an extraordinary, gifted, and talented young man who happens to be black can be president.”

Did he move the needle? Yeah, probably. Slow a better process than rapid change when it comes to some of this stuff.

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What would be a real-life example to your mind of "mooching off the system" ?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Suleman

What Happened....

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...a mentor for hank

I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.

...hmm, the list goes on, then as now...
all have a political affiliation.
the real racist is the boy crying wolf...

I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.
— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944

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Originally Posted by Brian in SLC

Estimate of racially focused hate group numbers up or down during Obama? Down.

Trend up or down under Trump? Up.

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OK, I don't know anything about this statistic so if you wouldn't mind an honest question, would this source consider the violent ANTIFA groups as part of the hate groups? People against Trump?

Would we really blame Trump for upsetting the privileged upper middle class Millennials that make up the majority of these groups? Personally, if somebody is upsetting these little shits, I would honestly think it's because he did something right.

If I start grounding my kids for bad behavior, and they created a poll showing an increase of resentment towards their parent (me), that's a sign that I am headed in the right direction.

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Originally Posted by Sombeech

OK, I don't know anything about this statistic so if you wouldn't mind an honest question, would this source consider the violent ANTIFA groups as part of the hate groups? People against Trump?

Would we really blame Trump for upsetting the privileged upper middle class Millennials that make up the majority of these groups? Personally, if somebody is upsetting these little shits, I would honestly think it's because he did something right.

If I start grounding my kids for bad behavior, and they created a poll showing an increase of resentment towards their parent (me), that's a sign that I am headed in the right direction.

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No, I don't think ANTIFA was considered a hate group.

Yes, we can blame Trump. From the Atlantic article this week:

Trump has changed that. For antifa, the result has been explosive growth. According to NYC Antifa, the group’s Twitter following nearly quadrupled in the first three weeks of January alone. (By summer, it exceeded 15,000.) Trump’s rise has also bred a new sympathy for antifa among some on the mainstream left. “Suddenly,” noted the antifa-aligned journal It’s Going Down, “anarchists and antifa, who have been demonized and sidelined by the wider Left have been hearing from liberals and Leftists, ‘you’ve been right all along.’ ” An article in The Nation argued that “to call Trumpism fascist” is to realize that it is “not well combated or contained by standard liberal appeals to reason.” The radical left, it said, offers “practical and serious responses in this political moment.”

I think some of the "hate" ascribed to the ANTIFA folks maybe a bit exaggerated. There's certainly plenty of stories about them being violent. But...and not to say that you have to cross this line...when did they start killing people? Something that the more legit (!) hate groups have as part of their history.

One "hate group" that's definitely on the rise that doesn't get much press is black separatists. Hmm.

Its kinda interesting...from a political tactics viewpoint...that the normally peace lovin', tree huggin', anti gun left is giving a head nod or more to the tactics they came to hate from the likes of the Tea Party and the Trump fans.

Funny to witness the energy in a rally like the Chaffetz town hall (the one all of us who lived 5 minutes away from were bused into...ha ha). I think there's a feeling, a palpable energy, that the left side of the political spectrum will employ stronger tactics to get their message across. Kind of crazy to watch. And, to hear it bandied about in a crowd of folks.

Summary from the Atlantic article:

Revulsion, fear, and rage are understandable. But one thing is clear. The people preventing Republicans from safely assembling on the streets of Portland may consider themselves fierce opponents of the authoritarianism growing on the American right. In truth, however, they are its unlikeliest allies.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/the-rise-of-the-violent-left/534192/

Quite a pickle.

Politics. Propaganda. Pointing out that Wallace, Byrd, and Thurmon were originally on the wrong side of history is old news. They all changed. Did they in their hearts? Who knows? But, at least publicly they did. But, what purpose does it serve the person who posts such information? "See, your guys were as bad as our guys are"? Does that make it ok?

"The real racist is the boy crying wolf". Wow. Really? Or, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain?

What a nutty soup...







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Originally Posted by Iceaxe

What Happened....

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I don't get all of this and I am referring to both sides. Trump can't stop talking about Hillary and Hillary can't stop talking about losing and that she should have won.

I was glad when the election was over in 2016. Apparently I thought all of this was through.

I don't know of any other presidential election where this drags on and on after the election. I don't recall Obama constantly ragging on Romney after the election and I don't recall Romney contantly saying that he should have won.

This is all getting old (I'm referring to the candidates, not you).

^^^I think part of it is liberals still can't believe they lost the election and so they keep looking for a magic unicorn that can fix everything. The other half is Trump is thin skinned and doesn't let anything slide. This was also an extremely bitter election, Romney vs Obama doesn't even come close in comparison.

This latest round is because of Hillays new book 'What Happened' that blames the loss one everyone but her (same old story). I think most people will agree that the real problem is Hillary was a terrible choice in a candidate.

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Originally Posted by Scott P

I don't get all of this and I am referring to both sides. Trump can't stop talking about Hillary and Hillary can't stop talking about losing and that she should have won.

I was glad when the election was over in 2016. Apparently I thought all of this was through.

I don't know of any other presidential election where this drags on and on after the election. I don't recall Obama constantly ragging on Romney after the election and I don't recall Romney contantly saying that he should have won.

This is all getting old (I'm referring to the candidates, not you).

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Hillary started it.

Best quote from this week on FB:

"We used to have a saying in Sales Meetings - There are those that make it happen, those that watch it happen, and those that ask "What happened?" HRC seems to be in the third camp. Her time is over, wish she would just clear the stage."

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Originally Posted by hank moon

Hillary started it.

Best quote from this week on FB:

"We used to have a saying in Sales Meetings - There are those that make it happen, those that watch it happen, and those that ask "What happened?" HRC seems to be in the third camp. Her time is over, wish she would just clear the stage."

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They both can't let it go.

Attachment 87620

I wonder what the longest Trump can go without posting about Hillary would be?

I agree that her time is over. Old news for both parties.

If you pay attention Trump always responds (counterpunch in Trump speak) to Hillary's statements. So to answer your question.... the next Trump posts about Hillary will be the next time she opens her mouth about Trump.

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Originally Posted by Iceaxe

If you pay attention Trump always responds (counterpunch in Trump speak) to Hillary's statements. So to answer your question.... the next Trump post about Hillary will be the next time she opens her mouth about Trump.

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This time, but not always. Often Trump posts first (and he posts about Hillary a lot more often than vice versa). They're worse than two preschoolers.

Trump tweets don't bother me one way or the other, I actually like knowing what is rattling around inside his head.

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Originally Posted by Iceaxe

Trump tweets don't bother me one way or the other, I actually like knowing what is rattling around inside his head.

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Agreed. It's the transparency that politicians have been promising for a decade.

Trump sends a few tweets about Hillary.

Hillary wrote a damn book about Trump

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The country should bond together and give Hillary her participation trophy so we can finally be done with her.

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