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Byron , here's one for you from my file of interactions. The petition thing I'm working is to flip a city council vote granting a trash contract to a single hauler in our city. Rather than the existing setup where each household picks their own trash hauler.
So this man comes up and asks why I want choice in trash haulers. I said I want choice in as much of my life as possible, and asked if he'd like the city to pick a single package hauler- FedEx, UPS, DHL, Amazon, USPS, etc. He said that would be good, to reduce traffic and pollution. The discussion continued. It was civil.
At the end I said, "we have different values. You want coercive collectivism, and I want a cooperative but free society. We can't argue points and data because our values differ."
Shook my head at that one. There really are Soviet-level collectivists among us.