NFL celebrates Michael Vick as Pro Bowl captain in continued whitewashing of his dogfighting past
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NFL celebrates Michael Vick as Pro Bowl captain in continued whitewashing of his dogfighting past
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-celebra...002427159.html
Lots of good football being played this year. The Super Bowl is totally up for grabs. A lot of great games.
Looks like the kneeling nonsense is a thing of the past. I feel sorry for those that said "goodbye" to football because of it and never came back.
But then again, I wonder how many of those dudes actually stayed away.
As someone who stayed away for the 2 seasons, I cautiously came back this year. The boycott had an effect and we have to be ready to ditch the league again. It's just a matter of time before they overtly push the envelope again.Quote:
Originally Posted by twotimer
But beyond the overt, based on the league paying off the SJWs with the huge funding of the anti-police cause whatever it's called, the kneelers won. That's why I pirate feeds, don't visit NFL sites, and won't likely ever go to a game again.
I don't watch near the NFL football I did before. I switched to watching more college when the NFL went anti USA and haven't returned.
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Still watching, it’s been a great year.
I've come back to watching a few games a year but in all honesty, College is were football is at for me.
On a related note--I really liked the shootout in New England yesterday but couldn't help but notice the plethora of vacant seats.
Man, if you can't fill that stadium with a matchup like Chiefs vs. Pats then it seems the kneelers have had a lasting effect.
It’s going to be very interesting...
We could see a complete flip flop here? Mass kneeling with the NFL and TV networks supporting it?
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Originally Posted by accadacca
If this happens, it's going to drive more people away from the NFL as middle America will not put up with that nonsense.
Sports and politics do not mix.
People watch sports for enjoyment and leisure, not to get a lecture on morals and politics. If the kneeling BS continues further the NFL's viewership is gonna take a massive hit.
^^^Yup... if their kneeling they lose me for good. My viewing of the NFL is already down about 75%.
Quite possible...Roger Goodell said it himself a couple days ago when he was forced to his own knees to polish the black knob...Quote:
Originally Posted by accadacca
"There can't be an NFL without black players"
There you have it. It's all about $$$ and the blacks are all bent right now. That why all these corporations are falling all over themselves to "support black causes"...otherwise they get fingered with bad publicity by the mob and they don't like that. Most of what they're promising is just tossed bones.
So what is Pro Football? Gladiators smashing their bodies and displaying athletic prowess for our entertainment. Rooting for your team to win...eating up several hours on cold, winter days. It sure can be fun to watch...exciting. Can we live without it? Sure, some people will just bail altogether, others will just say..."OK, off your knees now bonehead and destroy yourself for my entertainment".
Also, if this mass kneeling happens...they'll accuse ANYONE that criticizes it as a racist, which will only weaken their position.
The image of the guy being totally dominated by that Aryan looking cop triggered something DEEP down in their souls. The white owners of these teams, and they're ALL white, had better watch their mouths.
IDK. Follow the culture and the money. When Crappernick started this garbage, a large part of the NFLs market was against it, and Roger made it look like he did a good faith attempt to stop it. That’s climate - sadly I would say the tackles have turned, dramatically. It’s in his financial best interest not to not only support the kneeling, but promote it, which he has done.
I wouldn’t be surprised at this point if they actually did away with the NA , and just have some sort of kneeling/memorial to some social cause or the other.
Remember when Nike signed Crapper to that multimillion dollar advertising deal- and everyone was stunned why they would be signing a failed athlete, who likely won’t even play again, and were all thought that was the start of the demise of Nike? I thought it would greatly hurt their stocks and sales, but it didn’t. Look at them now- they have the start fact of this BLM fad as their face of their company, and from the looks of things, a large part of the country is drinking his cool-aid.
The whole Drew Brees thing was sad. I felt like they ganged up on him and he caved. He’s a good guy and was not trying to disrespect anyone. How people feel about the anthem and flag is their own belief, kinda like religion. It means something different to Brees and that’s his feeling.
I can certainly see how it got some players bent out of shape given the current narrative. It’s a tough situation because people love the flag and their country. It means something completely different to these people. It’s about the military, their families and pride of country.
To the other side of course it means something completely different. For them it’s about injustices, equal rights and their cause. Which is complete justified as well. Both sides can’t see the other sides perspective or at least respect it. Shouldn’t you be able to have your own opinion and it doesn’t make you a bad person? It doesn’t mean you are against the other side. Tough issue.
Uh, no you can't. And the case with Mr. Brees proved it. If you're against "kneeling" you're a racist fool. On the other hand, those that stand for the flag think it's best to express your "displeasure" with social issues in a different way...wearing socks that depict cops as pigs doesn't help, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by accadacca
This issue has been beat to death...I mean deader than dead. If the blacks were smart, they'd figure out ANOTHER WAY of promoting their cause or expressing grievances that might actually net BETTER RESULTS.
My personal opinion? Anyone that gives a knee to the National Anthem deliberately has shit for brains. Does that make me a "bad" person? Well, quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
It's all a lesson in how far gone the country is. There's nothing left to fight for at this point, with no public institutions not being corrupted by left wing, anti-American thought anymore. We'll give it our best to get Trump across the line. I'll pause work for a month in Oct and work 6 days/week on the campaign like in 2016. But the reality is, decades of socialist and now Marxist schooling has had an effect.
I don't think so...it seems so many think anyone under the age of 30 has the hammer and sickle swirling around in their eyeballs, but that's not true at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by dougr
Where were the Bernie Bros? Where was this "great wave of young Socialists"?...all they had to do was check a little box with a pen, and they didn't. They don't exist.
What we're seeing right now are liberals/leftists throwing a fit with the delighted liberal media adding fuel to the fire. "Pussy hat" on steroids. That's it.
@Byron, One of my same age cousins back east called me last fall and asked that I host and give some work to his age 21 college son this summer. I talked to that son a few weeks ago on video chat to see where it stood.. I simply couldn't believe the total brainwashing. And this before Floyd. He couldn't talk about anything other than white privilege. He was asking me questions, to probe the level of my white supremacists thoughts and such.
Anecdotal single data point, granted. But this is my experience with young people en masse. I taught HS math for 5 or 6 years in another time of my life, 06-11.
I think it's too easy for us who are capable of intellectually dismissing leftist propaganda to not understand how utterly lost the younger generation is. I am terrified for this county's future.
As the father of an 18 year old that refuses to acknowledge the actual reality of what's going on right now, I can tell you that the problem is not so much Marxist activists as it is a lack of understanding as to what real freedom is and why it's better for you than having someone else take care of you. They get all of their news from social media and never read beyond the headlines. They also think with emotions rather than their brains, and are easily manipulated to feel sorry for someone or some cause even if they've done absolutely nothing to deserve their pity. She even said the other night that she thought it was a good idea to get rid of the police in Minneapolis. She almost didn't have a bed to sleep in after that.
The only thing that saves the rest of us from their generation is that they are too damned lazy to get off their butts and vote.
In short, don't ever think that 16 year olds should be able to vote. And if your congressman thinks they should be able to, you should vote them out of office with extreme prejudice.
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Originally Posted by Byron
I agree. The fact is there are many more conservatives out there than you think but they are purposely invisible. You never hear from right wing conservatives because they're too busy working and making money. They don't have the time nor the patience for flashy headlines and bullshit rallies.
Liberals love to grab the spotlight and like to talk big, but when they have to back up their rhetoric with action they shrink. The Bernie crowd is a prime example of that.
Oh, you guys. How lost and ignorant were YOU at that age? I know I was! They're moving from being children to adults and have yet to "set their feet", as I call it.
When I was that age, "everyone" was hyper concerned with nuclear war...like it was a forgone conclusion. Why go to college? Why buy a house? None of this is new.
Read the lyrics to the Oingo Boingo song "Capitalism"...that was written in 1980.
Look at the looting...what they all covet is "stuff"...awesome shoes and the latest phone. Most of them will eventually figure it out...all you have to do is get up and go to work and these things can be yours.
I'm telling ya...5000 years ago one caveman said to another "What's up with the kids these days"?
100%. My parents were idiots when I was that age. They got smarter as I got older and had kids of my own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron
I have hope for my kids too. That daughter that I mentioned above started her first 40 hour a week job yesterday and she wants to get out of my house ASAP. I'd be worried if she wanted to stay home. I'm convinced that God makes teenagers so that we aren't sad when they move out, and he makes their parents so annoying that they don't want to stay.
That may be a valid differentiator here. I was a rock ribbed right wing Reagan supporter in grade school and high school. I was sickened by Dems then, believing their beliefs were a path to national ruin then. I knew big picture societal issues from an early age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron
Fast forward to my HS teaching days and I simply couldn't believe the brainwashing. I was math, but in talks to my kids it became clear.
Fast forward to now and it's Marxist. Revolutionary Marxist. There is no other description. And since I've been hyper aware of this trend for 30 years, I'm more hopping up and down frantic trying to get people on our side to understand the dire straights.
^^^This is me^^^
My conservative foundation was rock solid and never wavered from the time I graduated high school in 1978.
I was a sophomore in HS when a teacher informed me I should support Democrats because Republicans were the party of the rich and elite... that teacher did more to recruit me to the dark side then he ever knew... because the first thought through my head after he said that was I plan on being rich and elite so I guess I'd better learn and understand Republicans and conservatives.
True story... [emoji631]
I wrote this nearly three years ago...page one on this thread. Ran into it when I went looking for my post regarding "Gone With The Wind".Quote:
Originally Posted by twotimer
HBO just yanked it from their library...we'll see how that goes over, considering it's a modern day book burning. And they call anyone who disagrees with them fascists?
On another note...NASCAR just banned Confederate flags from all races, events and properties, effective immediately
That's just what NASCAR needs, to alienate the core fan base just as their ratings and attendance reach an all time low. NASCAR is dead, they just don't know it yet. To bad NASCAR wants to get into politic's instead of fixing what's actually wrong with their sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by accadacca
I'm pretty sure NASCAR just hammered the last nail in their coffin.
FWIW - The NASCAR fans are not taking this lightly... Here is what they are saying with regards to Bubba Wallace (the only black driver in cup) and his "Black Lives Matter" paint scheme....
Because of this guy that NASCAR pandered too, who could not win a race if he were the only driver out there, NASCAR has destroyed itself!!! BOYCOTT NASCAR!!
https://external-den4-1.xx.fbcdn.net...D-Qbx5xQVD9l0x
As someone that is well plugged into the racing world... NASCAR just slit their own throat and will never recover from this...
...the fan base just stood up in mass and left the room and will never return.
Once the current TV contracts expire NASCAR will find itself mired somewhere between dog shows and cornhole championships on the TV schedule.
/Bookmarked
Being a veteran in 1970 was always entertaining while dealing with college professors. They wanted to teach politics even if it was a math class. When I said I wasn't paying to learn their politics their threat was that they would cancel my deferment. They hated the fact they couldn't use that on me. Of course they didn't have to give me passing grades either. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
But you young wippersnappers carry on!
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Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Couldn't agree more.
I'm sure Bill France, Sr has been turning over in his grave constantly ever since the big sell out to the major networks in 2001. Big money mortally wounded this sport and this latest cave in might be the coup de grace.
I miss the good old days...
NAPCAR is getting torched by its fan base on social media.... read the comments...
Bubba Wallace
https://www.facebook.com/28567946220...8320122186221/
Rebel Flag
https://www.facebook.com/28567946220...8323250926221/
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Is it just me, or isn't it a bit ironic that these BLMers and leftist woke crowds are demonizing and tearing down the confederate symbols? Don't they have a very common stance and perspective, one in which they view 'the system' as oppressive and over controlling, and are declaring their autonomy, sovereignty, or separation from the system and control? The only thing they see in the confederacy is the slavery. But, wasn't it so much more than just a bunch of slave owners fighting to keep their 'property'?
But yet, at the same time, these same people want to give more power and control to the government, so long as it affects the causes they support, affects and controls other people the way they want people to be controlled, so long as their needs and wants are provided. It just doens't make any sense to me. What am i missing?
It's not that I'm a big fan of flying the Confederate flag, but I am a huge fan Constitutional rights, and the freedom of expression is right near the top. The woke crowd doesn't seen to understand that if they can take the rebel flag away from you they can take any flag away from you.
I might not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
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Roger Goodell: NFL admits 'we were wrong' on player protests, says 'black lives matter'
https://sports.yahoo.com/roger-goode...224540686.html
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Originally Posted by accadacca
The overwhelming tone of the comment section of this article is DECIDEDLY against politicizing the sport....as it should be. I think this might be the first year I don't give a shit about the NFL. A few comments from the article:
- It's cool, I have no problem the NFL agrees that BLM and wants to see Police reform. However, if they let players kneel during the anthem or make some other political protest during the game, me and my money are done with the NFL and I hope millions of other fans do the same thing.
- Roger just created a major problem for the league, he basically threw in the flag to fans and told players they can alienate half the fans who want to honor the flag and watch football instead of a political protest.
- When will the NFL realize that it is not supposed to be a social justice organization. When it allows politics to mix with sports, even more fans will leave. And it was just getting some of them back with the Lamar Jackson show last season. This can only lead to social justice issues being presented on the field. There will end up being fewer viewers and ad revenue. The only plus side for the player's collective bargaining agreement is that it is still in place a little longer -- it won't take the negative earnings hit until renegotiation time. (BTW, you know that Yahoo is loving this -- it's been promoting the divisiveness agenda for a looooooong time).
- Goooo drew brees! All lives matter. He should of never apologized for it...but we all know the nfl made him.
- If this is how the commissioner feels, fine. If he lets these people kneel during the anthem, fans will not forgive them again.
NASCAR driver's are now leaving the series over NASCAR's recent political stance...
https://kutv.com/news/nation-world/n...erate-flag-ban
Roger Goodell encourages NFL teams to sign Colin Kaepernick
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/us/nf...rnd/index.html
^^^Social Justice = Team signs CK, and starts him every single game, and performs spectacularly bad. As the team reaches about 0-8 on the season, the fans screams crescendo, and he is booed off the field due to terrible performance.
At this point, he is nothing more than a prop for a hoax movement.
Two sports guys were talking about this a few days ago on the radio...they were being surprisingly blunt and straightforward about it, considering other daytime radio hosts are obviously carefully choosing their words. They recognized his performance when he was good, and also when he was bad...both of them figured his performance as a starter is behind him.
They covered ever angle of it...and it's most likely that Colin (if signed) would be a backup QB. Also, any team that takes him would likely want the League to cover the cost. They put the chances of it happening at 50/50. They discussed the teams that might be able to fit him in...a "black town" team like Baltimore.
I don't care either way. This guy is chump change in regards to the big picture.
Nobody serious about winning is going to take Kaepernick because of the turmoil he would bring to the locker room. Winning is as much about team chemistry as talent and no coach would want Kaepernick's disruption in the locker room.
I would have agreed pre-Floyd. But he'd be a rallying force on a team now. Couple reasons. 1, he'd take attention off otherd on the team. That's good. 2, whatever team signs him would gain a huge boost in black player support and cooperation. 3, whatever coach uses him, likewise black support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
At the level of protests going to occur, I'd bet 90% of players kneel, and some fists in the air. Every game, whole season. Those who wouldn't normally will be afraid not to now, especially white players. Might end up being 98% league wide. Kaep will get some early attention, but the megastar lineup also doing it dilutes his unique status.