I think the square knot is very under rated. This has saved my tail in more than one situation.
It is the most basic boy scout knot but I don't think enough people appreciate it.
http://www.geospectra.net/kite/knots/knot03.jpg
Thanks.
Bill
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I think the square knot is very under rated. This has saved my tail in more than one situation.
It is the most basic boy scout knot but I don't think enough people appreciate it.
http://www.geospectra.net/kite/knots/knot03.jpg
Thanks.
Bill
Some would call that a "Granny Knot", some a "Troll", but few would consider it applicable to life-safety applications, for instance, canyoneering. I use a square knot for tying my shoes (variation) and for tying the rope into the rope bag. And I've always thought it was very handsome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mstr_Canyon
Tom :moses:
How well does this hold up under load and stress for you? I haven't found it to be hold well for me. To much knot slippage so I now tie my shoes with a variation of the fishermen's knot. Never had my shoes come untied during a race ever since.Quote:
Originally Posted by ratagonia
Hangman's knot is most under rated IMHO
Granny knot! (Tom beat me to it.....) Dang, that knot shown above would have failed in my troop. The true square/ reef knot needs a fishermans backup to be safe (at least that is what I learned). Darn things tend to loosen up pretty easily. I've never used one in canyoneering either. I was always taught the square knot looked like this: (from Grog's Animated Knots) notice the ropes of the same colors come out the same side of the loop.
Nah....That sucker takes up waaaaay too much rope. The good old fashoned noose knot (I called it a slip knot) uses less rope and works as a lasso too. I caught many a neighbor's cat and dog with a simple noose:lol8:Quote:
Originally Posted by trackrunner
I use the square knot to save lives. Use it to hold Endotracheal tubes in place so patients can breath. I agree though, the original picture looks like a granny to me, Scott yours looks like the good old square.
OK Here is one for you boys. What is THIS knot? It is NOT a square knot. I know it looks just like one, but it is slightly different.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...oten_400px.jpg
Right over left, left over right.
What's shown (edit: in the very first photo/post) is not a square knot.
A knot should be easy to tell if it is tied correctly. If you can't tell, don't use it in a situation your life depends on it!
Beginners should focus on a few main knots, heck you could probably get by all beginner canyons by just learning a figure 8 and a water knot.
Edit: other pictures appeared right as I posted this
Your right. Same site has an example of a square knot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Card
http://www.geospectra.net/kite/knots/knot01.jpg
http://www.geospectra.net/kite/knots/knot01.jpg
This is a Thief Knot is like the square but notice how the free ends are on opposite sides.
http://www.geospectra.net/kite/knots/knot02.jpg
http://www.geospectra.net/kite/knots/knot02.jpg
This is the Granny Mstr_Canyon used
http://www.geospectra.net/kite/knots/knot03.jpg
Sheet Bend (knot04.jpg) > square
http://www.geospectra.net/kite/knots/knot04.jpg
Theif knot. It's the second knot I just postedQuote:
Originally Posted by Scout Master
Is there any appreciable difference in strength between a reef knot and a thief knot?
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by nonot
And using a square knot has little to no use in canyoneering IMO :nono:
Maybe to tie your shoe.
Use a much more sequre knot to rappel on, EKD, double fishermen's (not used as much anymore), follow through eight.
There is not. both knots have a working strength of 0 (zero) pounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by nonot
Ever noticed how your shoes come untied by themselves, once in a while?
T :moses:
OK Any one know why it is called a THIEFs knot?
A sailor would tie the theif knot and hide the tails to the draw sting of his personal bag. If someone came along and went through his personal belongings the robber would then replace it with a square knot, not knowing it was theif knot because the tails were hidden. This way a sailor would know if someone had gone through his belongings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scout Master
In other words it alowed an individual to identify is his bag has been tampored with.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ratagonia
I went canyoneering a long time ago with Benny, and at the final drop of Mindbender I joined two ropes together with a figure 8, backed up with fishermans (I know, overkill). Anyways, before Benny got on rappel, he re-tied the configuration using a square knot backed up with fishermans, claiming that it was much easier to undo the knot, and it held just as good given the fisherman backups. He claimed that RAM used this knot combo frequently, but that may just be rumor. :ne_nau:
A square knot/fisherman combo is more than enough knot for joining together rope and pullcord IMO.
I'd heard it as the "Cook's Knot". On a ship, the cook would tie the food cupboards closed with a Cook's knot. The sailors would sneak into the galley at night, feel the knot and identify it as a square knot, untie, grab some food, re-tie as a square knot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scout Master
In the morning, busted!!
T :moses:
That's a fairly complex knot. NOT Ram's M.O. Unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockgremlin
Overhand EDK with overhand backup works for me. Easy to tie, easy to untie, easy to inspect.
Tom .................... :drums:
Ram just picks up the ropes and looks at them. A moment or two of Ram-gaze provides ample rope-joining security. :lol8:Quote:
Originally Posted by ratagonia
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Originally Posted by hank moon