Ukraine

[BasinCruiser]

What business do we have of sending any troops, arms, or $ to Ukraine?

Ukranians right now: We gave million$ to Hunter and the Big Guy, and all we got was a lousy t-shirt.

[Byron]

I just read a headline from BBC News...."How will we know when a war has started in Ukraine?". That pretty much says it all...I didn't even bother reading the article.

There won't be a "war"...Putin will just walk right in there and take it just like Crimea. The people there will just lie back and take it like just any other day as they expect nothing less. The government has been swimming in corruption and everyone has been softened up with the virus. The only reason the West is griping is because they're not going to be pulling strings without having to pay tribute to Putin and his boys.

Speaking of Putin...you'd think that guy is a card carrying member of the Illuminati/Oligarchy, considering he owns damn near 20% of the planet...but I don't think he is. He's coloring outside the lines, not going along with the program. That's why they hate him so much. They want what he has or at least to control him.

Troops, NATO, blah, blah, blah...it's all for show. Caligula, man...we live in a modern day corrupt Roman Empire.

[BasinCruiser]

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[Iceaxe]

What business do we have of sending any troops, arms, or $ to Ukraine?

Ukranians right now: We gave million$ to Hunter and the Big Guy, and all we got was a lousy t-shirt.
10% for the Big Guy.

[BasinCruiser]

Whoooopsi. Nothing to see here, folks.

Talk about premature….:naughty:

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[Iceaxe]

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[2065toyota]

So I was just on a hunting trip in Spain and our guide is a native from Ukraine who left because of how terrible it is to live there.

According to him, the residents of Ukraine want to be part of Russia because when it was the USSR there were multiple countries and all the different areas produced different products and as a whole, they did well. Once the USSR was separated, the countries could not survive because they didnt' have established industries in anything except for what they specialized in.

He claims that it is all politics and there wont really be a war as this is a political battle not a national people battle. We will see how it plays out. It was interesting to see his point of view as a previous resident of Ukraine though

[BasinCruiser]

Things are getting real.

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[BasinCruiser]

The fake news media never takes a break. :roflol:


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[Clipped_in]

Certainly Ukraine is very concerned with this as well:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-remove-squaw-hundreds-federal-lands-place-names-2021-11-19/

[xjblue]

Very informative discussion
https://youtu.be/Ys2zTL-b3eE

[Byron]

I just returned from a big, 5 week road/camping trip in southern Arizona and in that time things certainly have been shaken up, eh? When I go on these big trips I'll only turn on my phone every couple days to peruse the headlines and make sure WWlll hasn't started...looks like this time it did.

I'm surprised that Putin pulled the trigger...I thought for sure the western mafia would cut a deal with him without the need for blowing stuff up, but it appears negotiations broke down in a big way. I think Putin made the move for one of two reasons...perhaps both combined.

1. He knew no one would do anything to stop him and it was theirs for the taking. I just read that the UN is refusing to enact a "no fly zone" over Ukraine which pretty much seals their fate. The western Cabal was getting a bit too cozy there and the Russians wanted them out. I've always figured he was sitting at the table along with the other mafias that rule the world but has never been inclined to go along with the program. Which may lead to No. 2...

2. They backed him into a corner. With the worldwide "bitchslap" (Covid), the repositioning of assets and the rape of treasuries worldwide, Putin and his buddies were the odd men out. I think moves were underway to neuter them and this is a knee jerk reaction for survival...that's why he reminded everyone that he has big bombs.

So how's it going to end?...most people are probably hoping that when the dust settles everything will go "back to normal" and this will be just a speed bump...but this isn't India and Pakistan trading artillery shots across the border, this is a really big move.

The assassination of Ferdinand, the Italian invasion of Ethiopia...these things tend to escalate. Remember that WWll was underway for two solid years before we got balls deep into it. So we just watch and wait, I suppose...and hope that "cooler heads prevail", which is a joke considering the various Cabals that run the world are a bunch of inbred freaks.

I've considered that this virus they unleashed was just a test run, and the one that's really going to thin the herd will be a true killer. They may spring that on us when the world is roiling in war and desperate shortages...in other words, strike them when their on their knees. Anyone who thinks the high shaking heads truly care about humanity is living in a fantasy world...they'll lay waste to millions without a second thought.

I've never been a conspiracy kind of guy or saw the need to adopt a "survivalist" kind of mentality...stocking up on supplies or bugging out have been ideas that I thought were a waste of time and money, but I'm thinking a bit differently these days. Things are getting sketchy as hell.

[Iceaxe]

One positive I've noticed about the current war in the Ukraine is that Covid appears to be officially over. Putin will probably be getting a Noble prize or something for single handedly ending Covid in less than a week.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220304/926bb1e304a2828ca734cdb7b9eaf4b6.jpg

[BasinCruiser]

Remember how they keep saying that there is more to this “war” than people realize? Did you think Wuhan was the only lab of it’s kind?👇🏻


A few days ago, the US Embassy removed all their Ukraine Bioweapon lab documents from the website: https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defense-threat-reduction-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/


The good news is they are still archived:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170130193016/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-kharkiv-eng.pdf


https://web.archive.org/web/20210511164310/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-luhansk-eng.pdf


https://web.archive.org/web/20170221125752/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-dnipropetrovsk-eng.pdf


https://web.archive.org/web/20210506053014/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-vinnitsa-eng.pdf


https://web.archive.org/web/20170221125752/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-dnipropetrovsk-eng.pdf


https://web.archive.org/web/20170207122550/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-kherson-fact-sheet-eng.pdf


https://web.archive.org/web/20170223011502/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-ternopil-fact-sheet-eng.pdf


https://web.archive.org/web/20170208032526/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-zakarpatska-fact-sheet-eng.pdf


https://web.archive.org/web/20170208032526/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-zakarpatska-fact-sheet-eng.pdf


https://web.archive.org/web/20170202040923/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-lviv-dl-eng.pdf


https://web.archive.org/web/20170201004446/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-lviv-rdvl-eng.pdf


https://web.archive.org/web/20161230143004/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-eidss.pdf


https://web.archive.org/web/20210506212717/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-pathogen-asset-control.pdf


https://web.archive.org/web/20170207153023/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-dnipropetrovsk-rdvl_eng.pdf


https://web.archive.org/web/20170211022339/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/kiev-ivm-fact-sheet-eng.pdf


These labs are co-run by Fauci's EcoHealth Alliance and rumor is Russia's entire military operation right now is unofficially to either secure and/or destroy these labs and gather evidence.


https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defense-threat-reduction-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/

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[Byron]

Plenty of dirt under everyone's fingernails with this deal. Just today I was wondering if Putin might just bust out some exposure in regards to the western mafia. This might just get really interesting...

In the meantime, it looks like the European big boys and the US is trying to subcontract the opposition...proxy this puppy up, eh? Our wonderful liberal politicians were screaming bloody hell about Russia for 4 straight years and now it looks like they got us into the war they seemed to want so badly.

Things are screwed up a lot worse than I assumed they were...I thought for sure they'd cut a deal to avoid all this. Big moves, man...really big moves.

[BasinCruiser]

Our wonderful liberal politicians were screaming bloody hell about Russia for 4 straight years and now it looks like they got us into the war they seemed to want so badly.




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[rockgremlin]

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[Byron]

So today I'm painting the living room of this gal I've worked for many times since the mid 90s...she's very liberal and got the feminist thing going on as well but we get along just fine. As I working she's in the kitchen keeping herself busy and has the TV on all day...MSNBC, of course. I learned a long time ago not to talk to her about politics of social issues and today was no exception but she asked what I think of this whole Ukraine mess. I told her "You really don't want to hear what I have to say, Agnes". And I meant that...otherwise she'd turn it into a shitty half hour debate. Been there, done that.

BTW...you know what the feminist types really need? To get laid. Not just your average, old fashioned get after it but a dominating, hands around the throat, backboard pounding grinder. It never ceases to amaze me how belligerent and nasty they can be until they get to know you and then they turn into flirty little kittens. Anyway, I digress...

So she says "If Trump were President he'd let Putin just walk right in there" After I stopped laughing I said "You mean like what's happening right now as we speak?"

She then went on a rant about how Biden is doing everything that can possibly be done and she thinks it's all the right moves...essentially parroting what's been injected into her brain by the TV.

I kept working and remembered the stand up comic from the 80s by the name of Yakov Smirnoff...a Russian guy who's schtick was to make fun of life under Soviet rule. One of his jokes was this...

"In Russia you have two TV stations, channel one and channel two. Channel one is the official KGB station and channel two tells you to go back to channel one".

[Byron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-UJ8S63Tsw

If you have the time, watch this video. Although it's produced by Oliver Stone...who is a bit one sided and doesn't hit with hard questions...you still get quite an education on just who the players are and have been in that country. Get past the naked girl and fire intro and it really gets going. Essentially it's a civil war...and those waving the blue/orange or the black/red flags are being used as cannon fodder. There are no "good guys" in this whole stinking mess...kinda reminds me of Yugoslavia, except this one took a bit longer to fester and explode.

If you can't see this video...it's been blocked or otherwise taken down, it's called "Ukraine on Fire". It's worth a watch because it highlights all the scum involved in this mess...and yes that certainly includes the U.S. and Europe.

[DirkHammergate]

BTW...you know what the feminist types really need? To get laid. Not just your average, old fashioned get after it but a dominating, hands around the throat, backboard pounding grinder. It never ceases to amaze me how belligerent and nasty they can be until they get to know you and then they turn into flirty little kittens. Anyway, I digress...

Byron, I knew we agreed on something. Although I believe every woman should get a first class rogering like this now and then.

[BasinCruiser]

Bars and restaurants are now requiring proof of Ukrainian support.

[Byron]

Bars and restaurants are now requiring proof of Ukrainian support.I'd walk in with this flag on a T-shirt and they'd let me right in...considering this bullshit fake news that it's A-OK. Nothing to see here, folks...red-black-flag-ukraine-rallies-1.6370202 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/red-black-flag-ukraine-rallies-1.6370202)

[rockgremlin]

Bars and restaurants are now requiring proof of Ukrainian support.

Since the "Like this post" button doesn't work anymore consider this your "Like." :haha:

[BasinCruiser]

Zelensky got a standing ovation in Congress yesterday, but just a couple year ago when he told them there was no quid por quo on call with Trump they didn't believe him, so they impeached Trump.

Amazing how things turnaround, huh?

[Iceaxe]

Zelensky got a standing ovation in Congress yesterday, but just a couple year ago when he told them there was no quid por quo on call with Trump they didn't believe him, so they impeached Trump.

Amazing how things turnaround, huh?
The lefts hatred of Trump had no bounds. Many innocent individuals were hurt and destroyed in the lefts war on Trump.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220317/6dfa728ddf3df5306f961b825e1f1a51.jpg

[Byron]

Zelensky got a standing ovation in Congress yesterday, but just a couple year ago when he told them there was no quid por quo on call with Trump they didn't believe him, so they impeached Trump.

Amazing how things turnaround, huh?So in regards to the media, or the "information" we're being fed...I really don't believe a word of it. Supposedly, 7000 Russian soldiers have been killed, they're getting their asses kicked all over the place and Putin is staring down a coup? A majority of congressmen are calling for the United States to become directly involved militarily in this conflict...that means shooting down their planes, blowing up tanks. Maybe we're already doing that? Seems to me that we and the Europeans told Putin he could have it?

What a shit show. Two years ago they were so obsessed with getting rid of Trump that they decided to kick the snot out of everybody on the planet and look at what a mess they made. Remember Doug?...he told me they should all be lined up and shot and I agree with that wholeheartedly. The world is run by psychotics.

They give a standing ovation to a guy they threw under the bus.

[Iceaxe]

that means shooting down their planes, blowing up tanks. Maybe we're already doing that? Seems to me that we and the Europeans told Putin he could have it?

Yeah... kind of... sort of... the problem was no one checked with the Ukrainians and they had a completely different idea.

I have some friends in Ukrane and several in the military. The Russians severely underestimated Ukraine and are getting their ass handed to them, which has caused the US and NATO to rethink their previous position. This is why NATO is now furiously pumping military supplies into Ukraine, win or lose this war will set Russia back at least a dozen years, which is a win for NATO either way.

As for the US, we're a day late and a dollar short to the party, but the military hardware we are now dumping into Ukraine is a big help, but what the US is supplying that is making a huge difference is near real-time position and targeting information. Russia can't match that, which is why they are now turning to the scortch earth tactics.

I find the actual military tactics and strategies playing out extremely interesting to watch, I just ignore the political posturing and chest thumping. Watch what is actually happening, not what you are being told.
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[BasinCruiser]

How did so many people who demanded we all stay home, mask up, shut down businesses, schools, and get vaxed all off a sudden advocate for nuclear war with Russia? Because that's what a no fly zone would mean.

[Iceaxe]

Outside of Ukraine I haven't seen many advocating for a no fly zone.

With that bring said, we're already at war with Russia if we know it or not...

[emoji1258]

[Byron]

we're already at war with Russia if we know it or not...

[emoji1258]Well I don't think that's really a mystery to anyone. The questions is...are we going to go toe to toe with them? And if so, how far can it go?

It seems almost inconceivable that he'd unleash nukes under any conditions, even if he's backed into a corner. Which is exactly why I think he lashed out like he did...but nukes? Even tactical ones? I would say it's impossible...but then again just about every move I've considered to be insane in the last two years has come to fruition.

When I was a kid we used to have "rock fights"...we'd throw rocks as far as a ten year old could and use metal trash can lids as shields. Every now and then a kid wasn't paying enough attention and took one in the head. I remember one kid had to get stitches. As we got older, the field of battle moved closer and we graduated to BB guns.

[Byron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxWMyNYIe3g