Do you wear a mask?

[accadacca]

Yes.
No.
Sometimes.
If I have to.
Never.
They are not needed.
They should be mandatory.
It’s political.
Other.

[rockgremlin]

Yes.
No.
Sometimes.
If I have to.
Never.
They are not needed.
They should be mandatory.
It’s political.
Other.

I haven't put a mask on....yet.

That said, I do believe that there are a decent amount of folks who wear one not for health reasons but because they're virtue signalling -- so yeah, it is political for many people.

[blueeyes]

I wear them if I am around people who are immune compromised. At work. If I am asked to. Or if I am coughing.

I do think they are useful. I have used them at work before when around someone who is sick and won't wear a mask or I am sick but not sick enough to miss work.

I do think some people use it as a political thing with COVID-19.

I get really tired of the mask shaming. Let it be..educate people on why they are useful and let people do what they feel is comfortable.

People wearing them in their car when no one else is with them makes me laugh.




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[Iceaxe]

No, I don't wear a mask. There are places I believe they are useful and should be worn, but I just avoid those place.

For the most part I do believe it's political and 90% of those wearing a mask are virtue signalling.

YMMV

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[accadacca]

Many states are making them mandatory. We may see what Utah decides at the 4 pm press conference today.

[Scott Card]

I, at first, after hearing the initial contradictory evidence about mask wearing, did not wear a mask and I was irritated to have to wear one to Costco. I have changed my mind and will wear one in most public places, meaning indoors/stores. (Seems not necessary outside on a trail.) I am doing so voluntarily and will not stare-down anyone who is not wearing one. It seems I heard that if even 60% of people would wear masks we could get a handle on this virus and significantly slow the spread. It is not a freedom/political issue for me. It is a "I'm sick and tired of this virus" thing and I am willing to make a very small voluntary sacrifice to wear a mask and protect others in the event I catch this bug and don't know it. It is a simple thing, but a thing none-the-less that most medical/scientific people agree on. Masks help.

[BasinCruiser]

Looks like SL Co. I’d likely going to mandatory mask wearing.

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https://www.ksl.com/article/46768924/herbert-to-review-salt-lake-countys-request-to-mandate-face-masks-484-new-cases-of-covid-19-reported-in-utah

[Byron]

My "mask" is an American Flag bandana...I'll put it on when I go to grocery or big box stores mainly so I don't have to get into a verbal bitch slap with some hypersensitive pussy. The best way to avoid trouble, is to avoid trouble. But there are exceptions...

That said, any day now my Confederate Flag bandana will arrive and will replace the stars n' stripes as the go-to. Nobody tells me what to do.

[devo_stevo]

Nobody tells me what to do.
Don't forget to walk down the isles in the grocery store the wrong way. I hate when the commies make me go clear to the back of the store just so I can get some ice cream.

[BruteForce]

I try not to wear a mask. Its clear that masks are creating oxygen deprivation in most Utahn's based on how they drive and behave. NOPE, NOPE and more NOPE!

Still seeing folks walking in the park and driving while wearing a mask. WHY??

[rockgremlin]

Still seeing folks walking in the park and driving while wearing a mask. WHY??


Virtue signalling? :ne_nau:

[Rob L]

My "mask" is an American Flag bandana...I'll put it on when I go to grocery or big box stores mainly so I don't have to get into a verbal bitch slap with some hypersensitive pussy. The best way to avoid trouble, is to avoid trouble. But there are exceptions...

That said, any day now my Confederate Flag bandana will arrive and will replace the stars n' stripes as the go-to. Nobody tells me what to do.


Are you going to make a Conferderate flag face mask? That would be great! Post a pic please!
Rob

[blueeyes]

No, I don't wear a mask. There are places I believe they are useful and should be worn, but I just avoid those place.

For the most part I do believe it's political and 90% of those wearing a mask are virtue signalling.

YMMV

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200624/f02398daa2034a5b92c8ef15b4536532.jpgAnd 90% that refuse to wear them are also virtue signaling. IMHO

It goes both ways.

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[Iceaxe]

And 90% that refuse to wear them are also virtue signaling. IMHO

It goes both ways.

Meh.... I'll have to disagree. A large portion of those not wearing masks have actually taken the time to educate themselves.

As I stated, there are places masks are appropriate, but riding alone in your car or doing yardwork alone your yard are not it.

YMMV

[blueeyes]

Meh.... I'll have to disagree. A large portion of those not wearing masks have actually taken the time to educate themselves.

As I stated, there are places masks are appropriate, but riding alone in your car or doing yardwork alone your yard are not it.

YMMVBut to refuse out right is. Not saying you are doing that but there are plenty of people who are. So it goes both ways.

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[BasinCruiser]

And 90% that refuse to wear them are also virtue signaling. IMHO

It goes both ways.

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Have to disagree. If you say rebellion, then that may have more truth to it.

[rockgremlin]

I can see both arguments here. And before you go calling me Mitt Romney, consider that I used to be aggressively against mask wearing -- but I realized I was being about 100% closed minded about the topic. Regardless of your stance or your politics, it is a fact that wearing a mask REDUCES the amount of virus that an infected person emits. That's an irrefutable fact.

As Ice says, there is a place and a time for it. I still don't own a mask, and my face is still a mask virgin. But if I had to go spend a few hours in a nursing home you can bet that I would gladly wear one.

[jman]

I can see both arguments here. And before you go calling me Mitt Romney, consider that I used to be aggressively against mask wearing -- but I realized I was being about 100% closed minded about the topic. Regardless of your stance or your politics, it is a fact that wearing a mask REDUCES the amount of virus that an infected person emits. That's an irrefutable fact.

As Ice says, there is a place and a time for it. I still don't own a mask, and my face is still a mask virgin. But if I had to go spend a few hours in a nursing home you can bet that I would gladly wear one.

Uh oh! You better delete this thread before you run for governor! [emoji51][emoji51]


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[Byron]

Are you going to make a Conferderate flag face mask? That would be great! Post a pic please!
RobNo, I'm not making it...I ordered it from this hillbilly place in Oklahoma that sells just about anything Dixie. Sure I'll post a pic, along with my MAGA hat to complete the ensemble...as per blueeyes excellent recommendation.

Heard on the news today that the hypersensitive freaks aren't digging the word "Dixie"...they want to conflate that with the flag to denote racism. So they're going to throw a wet blanket over all the Dixieland music? That's the problem with these overcooked liberals...they always bite off more than they can chew.

[blueeyes]

No, I'm not making it...I ordered it from this hillbilly place in Oklahoma that sells just about anything Dixie. Sure I'll post a pic, along with my MAGA hat to complete the ensemble...as per blueeyes excellent recommendation.

Heard on the news today that the hypersensitive freaks aren't digging the word "Dixie"...they want to conflate that with the flag to denote racism. So they're going to throw a wet blanket over all the Dixieland music? That's the problem with these overcooked liberals...they always bite off more than they can chew.So I wonder if Dixie State University will rebrand themselves. And Dixie National Forest. [emoji1787][emoji1787]



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[BasinCruiser]

So I wonder if Dixie State University will rebrand themselves. And Dixie National Forest. [emoji1787][emoji1787]



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EVERYTHING IS RACIST!!!!

[Byron]

But to refuse out right is. Not saying you are doing that but there are plenty of people who are. So it goes both ways.

Sent from my SM-G975U using TapatalkWe've had the mask thing here in Denver for the last month, solid.

I can tell you that half of the people either in a large grocery store or Home Depot, etc...either aren't wearing one or have it pulled down below their nose. Saw one guy today that just said "f*ck it" and just had a bandana around his neck.

I would bet that most of these people don't have "virtue signaling" in their heads at all. They just don't dig it and they're uncomfortable.

Now, those of us that do it in defiance...well, that's a whole 'nuther matter.

[Byron]

So I wonder if Dixie State University will rebrand themselves. And Dixie National Forest. [emoji1787][emoji1787]



Sent from my SM-G975U using TapatalkYeah, that's the first thing that hit my mind when I heard it..."How's this going to go down in St. George?"

Not, I would say. Heard it on an ABC News update...which is pretty lightweight compared to NPR, let me tell ya.

[blueeyes]

Now, those of us that do it in defiance...well, that's a whole 'nuther matter.

This is the crowd I am referring to.


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[blueeyes]

EVERYTHING IS RACIST!!!!Well they changed their Mascot and removed a statue from campus back in 2013 I think it was. I can't exactly remember why at the time the decided to keep the school name Dixie but they had a reason.

Try explaining where DSU is to someone who isn't from Utah. The look on their face is 50% confusion and 50% WTF.

There is nothing about Southern Utah or "Little Dixie" that resembles the South except they once tried to grow cotton in southern Utah.



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[Byron]

This is the crowd I am referring to.


Sent from my SM-G975U using TapatalkAnd as a representative of that group I can tell ya that most of us will go along with the program if it suits us...but otherwise reserve the right to tell anyone, anywhere at anytime to F*ck Off.

[BasinCruiser]

Unpopular question: What is a more invasive law: wearing seat belts, or wearing masks?

If you buy the theory that me wearing a mask heels protect other people more than myself, wouldn’t enforcing wearing seat belts be more invasive? If I don’t wear my seat belt, very little chance I directly hurt, or put at risk, someone else’s life or safety.

[Iceaxe]

Unpopular question: What is a more invasive law: wearing seat belts, or wearing masks?

Apple's and oranges.... driving a car is a privilege granted to you by the government. Breathing clean unfiltered air is a right granted to you by God.

[blueeyes]

Apple's and oranges.... driving a car is a privilege granted to you by the government. Breathing clean unfiltered air is a right granted to you by God.If you live IN SLC that air isn't so clean. [emoji1787][emoji1787]



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[BasinCruiser]

Apple's and oranges.... driving a car is a privilege granted to you by the government. Breathing clean unfiltered air is a right granted to you by God.

But from a libertarian point of view, who is the victim in either scenario?

[Byron]

But from a libertarian point of view, who is the victim in either scenario?As a society, I think we have to have some rules so we can move around each other effectively.

Problem is...some of us can move around just fine by ourselves .

[Iceaxe]

So I just instantly joined the "I'm not wearing a mask" crowd... feel free to give me a ticket and I'll see you in court...

Governor approves Salt Lake, Summit counties' requests to mandate masks in public
https://www.ksl.com/article/46769305/governor-approves-salt-lake-summit-counties-requests-to-mandate-masks-in-public

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[rockgremlin]

So I wonder if Dixie State University will rebrand themselves. And Dixie National Forest. [emoji1787][emoji1787]

I think you're absolutely right.

I've got $10 that says they'll look to change the term "Dixie" to something else. The term "Utah's Dixie" is on thin ice.

[rockgremlin]

So I just instantly joined the "I'm not wearing a mask" crowd... feel free to give me a ticket and I'll see you in court...

Governor approves Salt Lake, Summit counties' requests to mandate masks in public
https://www.ksl.com/article/46769305/governor-approves-salt-lake-summit-counties-requests-to-mandate-masks-in-public

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I got another $10 that says people probably won't wear masks regardless of this new mandate. And even if they do it's not going to affect the new cases of Coronavirus in SLC by any appreciable degree. I think this thing just has to be ridden out. Masks aren't going to save us.

[Iceaxe]

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[savanna3313]

I think you're absolutely right.

I've got $10 that says they'll look to change the term "Dixie" to something else. The term "Utah's Dixie" is on thin ice.

Speaking of $10 and DIxie, here is a little trivia for y'all! I have also heard that the reason southern Utah became known as Dixie, is because of the cotton they were trying to develop.

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[blueeyes]

Speaking of $10 and DIxie, here is a little trivia for y'all! I have also heard that the reason southern Utah became known as Dixie, is because of the cotton they were trying to develop.

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106278187_1214982438860273_687194864130751429_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=vhpM8PIs1XoAX-PpyW7&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=9137e011f15047cf8081661aa6069ff7&oe=5F203E8E

There are 2 theories behind where the term came from. The one above and from the Mason-Dixon line.



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[BasinCruiser]

Supposedly from 1918-1920 flu pandemic.

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[BasinCruiser]

94990

https://www.history.com/news/1918-spanish-flu-mask-wearing-resistance

[BasinCruiser]

Apparently, their trying to spark a nudist party at Meow Cafe. Who’s down with it?


94992

[rockgremlin]

Supposedly from 1918-1920 flu pandemic.

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94989

This is really funny. Interesting how humans are the same no matter what time period they're living in.

[Byron]

So I just instantly joined the "I'm not wearing a mask" crowd... feel free to give me a ticket and I'll see you in court...

Governor approves Salt Lake, Summit counties' requests to mandate masks in public
https://www.ksl.com/article/46769305/governor-approves-salt-lake-summit-counties-requests-to-mandate-masks-in-public

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Masks? Forget the mask...just gimme three hours with the girl.

[accadacca]

Utah's Dixie State University considers name change, critics note slavery connotations

https://www.foxnews.com/us/utah-dixie-state-university-considers-name-change

[devo_stevo]

Well, that didn't take long.

[blueeyes]

Well, that didn't take long.If they university had a brain they would have taken care of this when they transitioned from a community college to a university. They rebranded everything then, changed all the signage ect... not a cheap thing to do.

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[accadacca]

I was a mask virgin until today. I just don’t go into stores often and whatnot, plus I keep my distance...even BEFORE Covid.

Anyway I told my girls that we could get a Slurpee today, so we roll up and there are signs plastered all over the front doors. So I had to go back to the glovebox to get some for us. Sure enough a couple guys walked in there without them, but 80% had masks on. [emoji40]

[rockgremlin]

^^^Pussy. :haha:

Just kiddin. Here's the deal: even with increased awareness and increasing numbers of folks wearing masks, that daily tally of new Covid cases just continues to go up, up, up.

Masks will not save us. Herd immunity is the only solution. And that's only gonna come when the majority of the population gets it.

I now know of 6 people who have gotten it - confirmed cases. Interesting how each of them were affected. Half of them said it was like a really bad flu, and the other half were barely affected at all.

[blueeyes]

^^^Pussy. :haha:

Just kiddin. Here's the deal: even with increased awareness and increasing numbers of folks wearing masks, that daily tally of new Covid cases just continues to go up, up, up.

Masks will not save us. Herd immunity is the only solution. And that's only gonna come when the majority of the population gets it.

I now know of 6 people who have gotten it - confirmed cases. Interesting how each of them were affected. Half of them said it was like a really bad flu, and the other half were barely affected at all.I still don't know anyone personally who has had it. I know of 3 people that have had it. One was mildly sick. One is Savanah here on Bogley and one is my moms friend who died. My daughter and my brother in law were tested and came back negative.



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[Iceaxe]

At the horse races today in Wyoming... at the beginning of the day 1 in 5 were wearing masks... at the end of the day maybe 1 in 50 were wearing mask... social distancing was not happening.

On a positive note they were taking the temperature of everyone entering the race track.

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[Byron]

I have yet to encounter anyone who's had it. In the last four months I've been familiar with a couple hundred people. Friends, acquaintances, business.

I have however, met three that lost parents to loneliness in an old folks home. They just gave up and let themselves go.

[tcope]

Masks will not save us. Herd immunity is the only solution. And that's only gonna come when the majority of the population gets it. However, when someone actually puts just a little thought into this they would quickly come to realize that this won't work at all.

About 70% of the world population would need to be exposed to the virus for herd immunity to work in that way. Lets just take the US. Imagine if 70% of the US population were infected. I'm going to just take a wild guess and say that hospitals would almost immediately no longer be able to treat anyone and you'd get hundreds of thousands of people dying on their own and from lack of treatment. We cannot even handle 7%! You might saw, but this 70% would be spread out over time. Nope. That is not the way it works. You simply don't have that kind of control. Once the cat is out of that bag, there is no going back. You then have millions of people dying.

What virus has simply been allowed to run it's course?

What is FAR more likely to happen is that we will come up with a vaccine, as was done with the flu. It will allow us to greatly slow the spread. Science has an advantage in that we understand DNA and genes far better then we ever had. We also have every country in the world working on this.

[rockgremlin]

What virus has simply been allowed to run it's course?



Ummmm......the Spanish flu?

I'm aware that there were multiple attempts at a vaccine for the Spanish flu, but nothing effective was found.

[Iceaxe]

^^^BOOM!^^^

For the win...

You can also add malaria and HIV to the list, among others, as neither has a vaccine. Someone needs to do their homework.

[blueeyes]

H1N1 does have a vaccine. Not in 1918 but it does now. Which is the Spanish Flu. There are over 100 different substrains of H1N1. That is why you have to have a new flu shot each year.

Vaccine is about the only way out of this COVID mess in the short term otherwise it runs like wildfire through the population.

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[Iceaxe]

ROFLMAO...
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[BasinCruiser]

95030

[BasinCruiser]

95031

[Byron]

95031
You know the thing about this movie? They DEMAND respect for these men a that want to parade around in dresses (which has been around a while...flashbacks to M.A.S.H.) yet they are always portrayed as weak or screwed up in some kind of way. This one was just a straight up sadistic monster. Didn't this movie win the Oscar?

I think freaks like this actually ended up controlling the dominate, establishment liberal mass media. Took 20 years, but they got it.

[rockgremlin]

Didn't this movie win the Oscar?

Pulp Fiction won Best Screenplay that year. But it was nominated for numerous awards, including best picture, best director, best actor, best supporting actor, and best supporting actress.

It had stiff competition that year:

Forrest Gump, Shawshank Redemption, Speed, Clear and Present Danger, Maverick, Wyatt Earp, and The Lion King.

[BasinCruiser]

95032

[Iceaxe]

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[BasinCruiser]

Is it just me, or does it seem like the bell for MTBers use as just divided, virtue signaled, and shamed for not using one as mask wearing? And more than likely both falls on the same side of the isle?

The arguments for both seem to be the same: I use one not for my protection, but for others. If you're not using one, you're going to kill grandma.

[blueeyes]

Is it just me, or does it seem like the bell for MTBers use as just divided, virtue signaled, and shamed for not using one as mask wearing? And more than likely both falls on the same side of the isle?

The arguments for both seem to be the same: I use one not for my protection, but for others. If you're not using one, you're going to kill grandma.I didn't realize there was such a hot debate about bells and mtb.



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[BasinCruiser]

I didn't realize there was such a hot debate about bells and mtb.



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I see a lot of passive aggressive virtue signaling, and shaming on a couple FB pages. It just gets old with the constant ‘I was out riding today, and someone thanked me for having a bell’.


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[Iceaxe]

Face masks and MTB bells are not related in the least.

I don't wear a mask, mostly because they are a giant pain in the ass.

I do use a bell, not to save grandma, but because it makes my life easier... I get tired of hollaring "can I get by".... Or to those wearing ear buds... "yo dumbass, get the f**k out of the way."

Funny story... to the kids on the high school MTB Team I always hollar "make a hole" when they are sitting in groups blocking the trail... now I have all 200 kids on the MTB hollaring "make a hole" when they want to get through... LOL...

[BasinCruiser]

Face masks and MTB bells are not related in the least.

I don't wear a mask, mostly because they are a giant pain in the ass.

I do use a bell, not to save grandma, but because it makes my life easier... I get tired of hollaring "can I get by".... Or to those wearing ear buds... "yo dumbass, get the f**k out of the way."

Funny story... to the kids on the high school MTB Team I always hollar "make a hole" when they are sitting in groups blocking the trail... now I have all 200 kids on the MTB hollaring "make a hole" when they want to get through... LOL...

But, you're not shaming others who don't have one, or constanting telling everyone how much of a wonderful community steward you and others are for having one, are you?

[blueeyes]

I see a lot of passive aggressive virtue signaling, and shaming on a couple FB pages. It just gets old with the constant ‘I was out riding today, and someone thanked me for having a bell’.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkOh yes. I got tired of all the complaining on the mtb fb pages. I don't follow any of them anymore. But I could see the similarity. No bell. My hub is plenty noisy to warn people and so is my voice.

As far as masks go. I am pretty much wearing one anytime I go into public now. One part because I do have a healthy fear of this virus and evidence more and more supports the "asymptomatic spread" and I feel like it is Russia roulette, this virus has no rhyme or reason. Perfectly healthy persons have died from it. Or have severe side effects, or just exhausted for weeks on end, or get it don't know it and you are fine. But really no way of saying which one you will be. Lab values of a few patients I have seen make me cringe.

And one part I actually feel bad all of the work force has to wear one. I appreciate them working, and they have to wear one for their entire shift. I only have to wear it for a few minutes I am in the store. I don't believe it is full on protection in anyway. But decreases my chances on the Russian roulette wheel. If I could go around barefoot I would. But people have frowned on that for a long time.

Where is oldno7 I feel like he is unusually quite these days.

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[BasinCruiser]

Today masks. Tomorrow - the self contained pop up cubicle, coming to an office building near you.

95042

[Byron]

now I have all 200 kids on the MTB hollaring "make a hole" when they want to get through... LOL...My go to is "COMING THRU!".

[blueeyes]

Today masks. Tomorrow - the self contained pop up cubicle, coming to an office building near you.

95042How about they just issue all of us a space suit. We can look like the Jetsons.

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[Byron]

But, you're not shaming others who don't have one, or constanting telling everyone how much of a wonderful community steward you and others are for having one, are you?
Seems to me the only ones that get pissed about bells are the ones who get pissed about bells. Never had one and as long as whoever is coming up on me makes any kind of noise, I'm good.

[blueeyes]

I see a whole new fashion coming on. Bubble helmets that filter air. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200708/cc8d7d9c590621b197d256601667b3db.jpg

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[Byron]

Where is @oldno7 (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=2899) I feel like he is unusually quite these days.

More like MIA...I hope he didn't disappear for good. In the last several years he's never been gone more than a few weeks. Maybe he got sick of it, but I doubt that. Hopefully it's just a monster vacation.

Nah, man...Dougrz was bumming him out.

[Iceaxe]

But, you're not shaming others who don't have one, or constanting telling everyone how much of a wonderful community steward you and others are for having one, are you?
As a general rule I don't give a shit what other people do... I use a bell on a MTB as it's by far the most convenient way to get others out of your way. It works much better then anything you can hollar.

[Iceaxe]

I just don't know how I'm going to handle the rejection.... I have lived my entire life to gain the respect of Tom Hanks. What am I ever going to do. I think I'll go downtown, steal TV's, burn down the city.... oh wait... never mind... I'm not a liberal...

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[rockgremlin]

More like MIA...I hope he didn't disappear for good. In the last several years he's never been gone more than a few weeks. Maybe he got sick of it, but I doubt that. Hopefully it's just a monster vacation.

Nah, man...Dougrz was bumming him out.

He's on a monster vaca. Tetons, Yellowstone, etc.

[BasinCruiser]

Found it. Want to get Russ off the mask wearing hysteria? Just get a picture of a turtle with one of these tangled on its face, and you’ll see the mask mandates drop like flies.



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[Iceaxe]

Just when you think this mask bullshit couldn't get anymore absurd....

California security guard charged with murder after shooting customer who didn’t wear a mask

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-security-guard-murder-shooting-customer-who-didnt-wear-mask

[dougrz]

Nah, man...Dougrz was bumming him out.

Ha, probably true. Didn't he post recently about ultra long range shooting somewhere?

[Iceaxe]

Ha, probably true. Didn't he post recently about ultra long range shooting somewhere?
Hopefully in Seattle's CHAZ Zone... LMAO...

[oldno7]

Just out wandering, nice not listening to any news.

[rockgremlin]

Just out wandering, nice not listening to any news.

Since when did you start paying any attention to the news? :lol8:

[rockgremlin]

Still convinced that masks are effective? Today Utah just smashed another record with 867 new virus cases -- even though face masks are a requirement in many stores, and the Guv has approved mandatory mask wearing in SLC and Summit counties. Every third billboard along I-15 begs you to wear a mask, and I see way more mask wearers than non-mask wearers in public now.


As long as we don't lock everyone down the cases will continue to go up, with or without the masks.

[Iceaxe]

Maybe they should have enforced masking wearing among those rioting last night in SLC... Just a thought...

[BasinCruiser]

Still convinced that masks are effective? Today Utah just smashed another record with 867 new virus cases -- even though face masks are a requirement in many stores, and the Guv has approved mandatory mask wearing in SLC and Summit counties. Every third billboard along I-15 begs you to wear a mask, and I see way more mask wearers than non-mask wearers in public now.


As long as we don't lock everyone down the cases will continue to go up, with or without the masks.

There’s no evidence that the lock downs did anything to save any lives.

[BasinCruiser]

At what point do we stop and say that the mandates and enforcement for them has gone too far?

95049

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-security-guard-murder-shooting-customer-who-didnt-wear-mask

[rockgremlin]

^^^ The security guard who did the shooting is black....



....why isn't there looting and rioting? Where's the outrage?

[BasinCruiser]

95052

[jman]

#YourIdol #SupremeLeaderTrump #YourPresident wearing a mask.

Hey, if he can humble himself and wear a mask, so can all of the other libertarians around here. :bootyshake:


95053

[rockgremlin]

#YourIdol #SupremeLeaderTrump #YourPresident wearing a mask.

Hey, if he can humble himself and wear a mask, so can all of the other libertarians around here. :bootyshake:


95053

:roll: He wore the mask because he was visiting a veterans hospital.

Here's my question: what are the mask-lovers going to say when the kids go back to school this Fall under strict mask wearing ordinance but the Covid case count continues to skyrocket? :ne_nau:

[jman]

:roll: He wore the mask because he was visiting a veterans hospital.

Here's my question: what are the mask-lovers going to say when the kids go back to school this Fall under strict mask wearing ordinance but the Covid case count continues to skyrocket? :ne_nau:

Lol. I know.

Don’t know! And there is most likely a bunch of factors. Guess we will find out! (Hopefully you aren’t cheering for everyone to get sick even with masks on are ya? Libertarians aren’t that twisted are they?)

If other countries can significantly decrease their COVID count...here’s hoping that we can too! And we will see if masks can help curb that.

And if masks do indeed do that, I could see that changing the medical landscape where any one who is feeling sick and goes to the ER or family physician, or even grocery store say like with the flu or something else, will either require you to wear a mask or provide one for you. Maybe I’m wrong but wouldn’t be surprised if that happens.


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[erial]

95054

[rockgremlin]

Lol. I know.

Don’t know! And there is most likely a bunch of factors. Guess we will find out! (Hopefully you aren’t cheering for everyone to get sick even with masks on are ya? Libertarians aren’t that twisted are they?)

If other countries can significantly decrease their COVID count...here’s hoping that we can too! And we will see if masks can help curb that.

And if masks do indeed do that, I could see that changing the medical landscape where any one who is feeling sick and goes to the ER or family physician, or even grocery store say like with the flu or something else, will either require you to wear a mask or provide one for you. Maybe I’m wrong but wouldn’t be surprised if that happens.


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Well, I'm definitely NOT cheering for more people to get sick. I think if worn correctly masks have the ability to cut down the spread. But were talking about the general public here. Wearing the right mask the right way is a tall order to expect from the general public, who are inherently lazy and prone to mistakes.

I think if the medical community and the media in general expect the general public to wear masks I think there should be a media campaign offering instructions on their proper use and maintenance. I've seen a lot of people walking around with a shirt or a rag tied over their mouth, like that's gonna do anything. :lol8:

[Iceaxe]

What about the hundreds of people you see walking around with their mask pulled down below their nose....

[jman]

Well, I'm definitely NOT cheering for more people to get sick. I think if worn correctly masks have the ability to cut down the spread. But were talking about the general public here. Wearing the right mask the right way is a tall order to expect from the general public, who are inherently lazy and prone to mistakes.

I think if the medical community and the media in general expect the general public to wear masks I think there should be a media campaign offering instructions on their proper use and maintenance. I've seen a lot of people walking around with a shirt or a rag tied over their mouth, like that's gonna do anything. :lol8:

Ya.

Don’t forget the bane masks too!


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[Byron]

Wearing the right mask the right way is a tall order to expect from the general public, who are inherently lazy and prone to mistakes.

Yeah...I think if it were an alien pathogen that made you bleed from your eyes people would still be tweaked about the mask thing. Wear it or not...every time I hear or read someone saying "If they just wear the mask!" all I can think is they're just hoping against hope.

Another thing...everyone "knows" that if you feel sick, you're supposed to lock yourself up. Like that's gonna friggin' happen. Wish in one hand, shit in the other.

Supreme leader Trump is doing a fine job...everyone knows what the deal is by now. Take whatever precautions necessary and get on with your life. We're all taking our chances one way or another.

[BasinCruiser]

Anyone else get a case of the 'maskne'?

https://www.ksl.com/article/46769230/maskne-why-your-face-is-breaking-out-under-your-mask-and-how-to-stop-it

[BasinCruiser]

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[Scott Card]

My office just went "mask required". I wrote and approved the policy. It has nothing to do with my individual freedom or government oversight or requirements. Just sayin'...

[Iceaxe]

You will NEVER see my office go mask required... if my employees don't like it they can go work somewhere else... just sayin'

[Scott Card]

You will NEVER see my office go mask required... just sayin' Isn't America great that way!!! (We have multiple people in the high risk category or who have close family in the high risk category).

[BasinCruiser]

95059

[Iceaxe]

If a FART can squeeze through two butt cheeks, underwear and a pair of Levi jeans do you really think that punty little paper mask is gonna stop a virus?!?

[rockgremlin]

My office just went "mask required". I wrote and approved the policy. It has nothing to do with my individual freedom or government oversight or requirements. Just sayin'...

What impelled you to make that leap?

Risk of lawsuit...? :roflol:

[Scott Card]

If a FART can squeeze through two butt cheeks, underwear and a pair of Levi jeans do you really think that punty little paper mask is gonna stop a virus?!? I believe the proper analysis is what your experience would be without the gluts, underwear, and jeans? I am grateful for the layering. :)

[blueeyes]

I believe the proper analysis is what your experience be without the gluts, underwear, and jeans? I am grateful for the layering. :)[emoji1787][emoji1787]

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[Iceaxe]

I believe the proper analysis is what your experience would be without the gluts, underwear, and jeans? I am grateful for the layering. :)
You obviously enjoy farts more then I.
LOL...

[Scott Card]

Au contraire. I believe you missed the part about my gratitude for any and all filtering.

(BTW, your smelly example tends to prove the usefulness of masks.) :roflol:

[Scott Card]

What impelled you to make that leap?

Risk of lawsuit...? :roflol: Nah. For once, that wasn't even discussed. :lol8: We have some in our office who are in the high risk category and/or who have family members in that category. The recent spike in positive cases and the continued record breaking numbers was the last straw. Gratefully, we have been able to continue to work, almost without a hiccup, that is unless you consider the train wreck the court system has experienced. So far we have all remained healthy.

[Iceaxe]

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[BasinCruiser]

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[accadacca]

Starting next week, Walmart and Sam’s Club will begin to require all customers to wear facial coverings or masks in all stores.

[BasinCruiser]

WalMart jumping on the ‘Thou shalt be muzzled” bandwagon.


95062

https://ksltv.com/441383/walmart-face-masks/

[BasinCruiser]

95066

[BasinCruiser]

Someone definitely needs more cloth somewhere.

95068

[BasinCruiser]

Tell me again how masks are effective at stopping the spread of virus.

95071

https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-fishermen-test-positive-despite-232641456.html

[BasinCruiser]

Memories


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[accadacca]

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[BasinCruiser]

How nice. Target put up a mirror so you can try on different masks before choosing the one you want. :2thumbs:

95075

[Iceaxe]

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol: This is me at least once a day....


95082

[BruteForce]

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol: This is me at least once a day....


95082

Me EVERY SINGLE TIME I LEAVE MY TRUCK OR JEEP! :ne_nau:

[BasinCruiser]

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[accadacca]

Crazy anti-mask lunatics in Utah County public meeting.

Fast forward to 7:15 for audio to start on the first video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM8FxXYC3Oo&feature=youtu.be


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9tjq2kJyfc&feature=youtu.be

[DirkHammergate]

Crazy anti-mask lunatics in Utah County public meeting.

Fast forward to 7:15 for audio to start on the first video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM8FxXYC3Oo&feature=youtu.be


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9tjq2kJyfc&feature=youtu.be

What do you expect from Utah county?

I wonder since masks "don't work" if anti-maskers would be cool with their surgeon performing surgery on them without a mask and gloves, you know, since masks don't work and farts seep through underwear.

[Iceaxe]

What do you expect from Utah county?

I wonder since masks "don't work" if anti-maskers would be cool with their surgeon performing surgery on them without a mask and gloves, you know, since masks don't work and farts seep through underwear.


Surgeon use an N95 mask, which is totally different from the toilet paper or underwear masks everyone is wearing. If you can smell a fart through your mask it's worthless against Covid-19 as the Covid molecules are smaller then your fart... but don't let science get in the way of stupidity....

[DirkHammergate]

Surgeon use an N95 mask, which is totally different from the toilet paper or underwear masks everyone is wearing. If you can smell a fart through your mask it's worthless against Covid-19 as the Covid molecules are smaller then your fart... but don't let science get in the way of stupidity....

Yeah, you're wrong. I can also go to the internet and find out how 100,000,000 people are voting for Trump in November. We can agree to disagree.

I don't get the hassle in basic common sense. Countries that wore masks and distanced are basically open up. Europe did it, the other day Florida had more new cases then the entire continent. It works but 1/2 of our civilian population is totally undisciplined. I don't bitch people out for not wearing a mask, I don't care, it's there choice. Is there a chance I could get Covid wearing a mask, of course. Wearing one at the store or in public, doing my shopping at 7 am on saturday and sunday and generally doing activities outside will likely give me a better shot at not getting it. Yeah, those things aren't hard, not political and just make sense.

[Iceaxe]

Silly liberals.... you're doing much more damage through sheep mentality and sheer stupidity then those not wearing a mask will ever do...


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[DirkHammergate]

Silly liberals.... you're doing much more damage through sheep mentality and sheer stupidity then those not wearing a mask will ever do...


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Nice OANN feed.

[Scott Card]

What do you expect from Utah county?

I expect better and I see better. I live in Utah County. In fact, I believe this is the very vocal and underwhelming MINORITY of citizens of Utah County. Most people I see, and I am out and about quite a bit, are wearing masks in public.

[Scott Card]

So, Iceaxe, which is it? Are the government officials parroting the words of the medical and scientific community or are the medical and scientific communities parroting the government officials' words? I know, as an elected official, I am listening to the medical and scientific community, not anyone in politics.

BTW, your statement and quote above are apples and oranges. They don't quite match up but are in the group of things that are on trees. :)

[Iceaxe]

So, Iceaxe, which is it?

I'm in the don't tell me what to do, I'm a big boy capable of making my own decisions on risk and reward.

[rockgremlin]

Countries that wore masks and distanced are basically open up..


#Fakenews

Just a few days ago France and Britain enacted a mandatory face mask policy because cases are spiking again.

Do you check your facts before you post, or do you just post on emotion? :ne_nau:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200715/britain-france-to-strengthen-face-mask-rules

[Iceaxe]

That about sums it up....


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[DirkHammergate]

I expect better and I see better. I live in Utah County. In fact, I believe this is the very vocal and underwhelming MINORITY of citizens of Utah County. Most people I see, and I am out and about quite a bit, are wearing masks in public.

Yeah I do as well out and about in SLC. It's a good thing, common sense is a good thing.

[DirkHammergate]

#Fakenews

Just a few days ago France and Britain enacted a mandatory face mask policy because cases are spiking again.

Do you check your facts before you post, or do you just post on emotion? :ne_nau:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200715/britain-france-to-strengthen-face-mask-rules

So yeah, they show signs of the virus spiking back so they are taking precautions. That's a good thing.

Also, don't think my response was emotional, just factual. What do I know? I have no idea why the NBA or MLS thought it was a good idea to go to ground zero to start their seasons. #notfake

https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/florida-records-more-new-covid-19-cases-than-all-of-europe-combined/
(https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/florida-records-more-new-covid-19-cases-than-all-of-europe-combined/)
I see mountains of data every day during my daily round table check in's with leadership at the hospital I work for. Also in the forums I participate in. However you size it up, masking helps. I haven't seen anyone with a "paper" or "underwear" mask yet, that's just a false narrative. Most people I see wear the same mask I do. It's the disposable clinical mask used at the hospital. They're not much in price, if they're good for clinicians they're good enough for me.

Axe, by the way, I've been in OR's fixing hardware during surgery. I was wearing the same mask as the surgeon and procedural nurses... so besides the sawing sound of a dude's chest being open, it wasn't that bad.

[Iceaxe]

I'll just leave this here...

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[accadacca]

I’m in Nephi at the Chevron/Wendy’s. The place is packed and there isn’t a mask in sight. It’s like going back in time and not just the lack of masks.

We are headed to the rodeo here, so we shall see on the mask situation.

[blueeyes]

I'll just leave this here...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200718/5c2a884d5d0353f58f44516c4d00c56e.jpgSo Iceaxe did you read the entire article published by the NEJM or just the part that fits your narrative?

The authors came back an clarified in June. Here you go.

TO THE EDITOR:

We understand that some people are citing our Perspective article (published on April 1 at NEJM.org)1*as support for discrediting widespread masking. In truth, the intent of our article was to push for more masking, not less. It is apparent that many people with SARS-CoV-2 infection are asymptomatic or presymptomatic yet highly contagious and that these people account for a substantial fraction of all transmissions.2,3*Universal masking helps to prevent such people from spreading virus-laden secretions, whether they recognize that they are infected or not.4

We did state in the article that “wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection,” but as the rest of the paragraph makes clear, we intended this statement to apply to passing encounters in public spaces, not sustained interactions within closed environments. A growing body of research shows that the risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission is strongly correlated with the duration and intensity of contact: the risk of transmission among household members can be as high as 40%, whereas the risk of transmission from less intense and less sustained encounters is below 5%.5-7*This finding is also borne out by recent research associating mask wearing with less transmission of SARS-CoV-2, particularly in closed settings.8*We therefore strongly support the calls of public health agencies for all people to wear masks when circumstances compel them to be within 6 ft of others for sustained periods.


Michael Klompas, M.D., M.P.H.
Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA
Charles A. Morris, M.D., M.P.H.
Brigham and Women’s Hospital, Boston, MA
Erica S. Shenoy, M.D., Ph.D.
Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, MA

Since publication of their article, the authors report no further potential conflict of interest.

This letter was published on June 3, 2020, at NEJM.org.



https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2020836


Also I believe most surgeries they use regular surgical maskes not the N95. I haven't been at work to confirm this but the times I have observed surgeries it appeared to me that is what they are wearing is regular surgical masks. The masks are used to prevent the doctor and OR staff from infecting the wound.

N95 masks are used when going into rooms or with patients suspected of or confirmed with tuberculosis. This was prior to COVID. They also need to be fit properly or they won't work properly. There is a complete fit process.

This virus is small. Wearing a mask is a pain in the ass. But even a homemade mask will offer some protection in the form of decreasing the amount of virus released from someone that is infected. And like this fact or not, it does offer a healthy person a small amount of protection when in a crowded environment. Also anyone that thinks 6 ft is a barrier is nuts.

Best bet WASH your hands. Frequently. And when in crowded situations it won't hurt to wear a mask. At this point if you still think it is virtue signaling you are not as intelligent as you think you are.


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[rockgremlin]

^^^Interesting, thanks for the clarifying narrative, Chere. :2thumbs:

[blueeyes]

Interesting to note... daily hospital communications stopped June 4th. Just received a text from the hospital they are going back to communicating the status of the hospital again. This time twice a week.

We have the most COVID cases in the hospital this week than in the past. All in ICU.

Just an FYI. Not sure what I can share because we do have HIPPA and I love my job I would hate to lose it.

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[blueeyes]

I do know what I can share.

This article from NEJM that talks about Visualizing Speech-Generated Oral Fluid Droplets with Laser Light Scattering


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800

Why they used a damp cloth for this study I am not sure. But covering your mouth with a cloth does decrease the scatter of your spit. And you can theorize decrease the amount of virus you would spread.


And this video from our pulmonologist.

https://www.fox13now.com/news/coronavirus/local-coronavirus-news/mask-myths-busted-fox-13-asked-a-pulmonologist-common-mask-questions

Also

A Medical Lab Scientists Katie Corley who showed coughing on a plate with and without a mask. This was just a run of the mill surgical mask.

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[blueeyes]

And my offer still stands to let anyone reproduce the blood agar plate expiriment. Just got the incubators in micro back online. No CO2 yet but we would still grow plenty of bugs without the CO2.

I should add there is one caveat to this offer. You must where a mask on campus.

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[Iceaxe]

I’m in Nephi at the Chevron/Wendy’s. The place is packed and there isn’t a mask in sight. It’s like going back in time and not just the lack of masks.

We are headed to the rodeo here, so we shall see on the mask situation.


Ditto at Wyoming Downs last week.... I've noticed the general public doesn't fear Covid as the Media and Politicans desire.... lots of wolves and sheepdogs in the crowd ;-)


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[Iceaxe]

This is a good read on masks...

Are mask mandates constitutional? Utah law professors say state has power to protect public health
https://www.ksl.com/article/50000269/are-mask-mandates-constitutional-utah-law-professors-say-state-has-power-to-protect-public-health

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[IntrepidTraveler]

This is a good read on masks...

Are mask mandates constitutional? Utah law professors say state has power to protect public health...

So basically, according to the article, if it protects the public health, and it isn't discriminatory, the state can mandate almost anything, as long as they can convince a gullible public that it's in the interest of public safety. Yeah, I see no possibility of abuse or any cause for alarm there.

[Iceaxe]

Hahaha....
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[accadacca]

Nephi Rodeo!

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[rockgremlin]

^^^Didn't see one single mask. Although it looks like groups are making an effort to distance themselves apart from other groups. So there's that...

[accadacca]

^^^Didn't see one single mask. Although it looks like groups are making an effort to distance themselves apart from other groups. So there's that...

Yeah pretty rare in Nephi. I guess they are still in the green though. Maybe not after a 3 day rodeo...

[Iceaxe]

Has anyone else noticed... when you see a guy with a beard wearing a mask it looks like a ladies underwear ad from 1972?

[BasinCruiser]

95097

[accadacca]

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[erial]

9 year old granddaughter informed me this afternoon (96 degrees) that the mask will help keep her cheeks warm this winter.

[Scott Card]

^^^^Kids are awesome :)

[BasinCruiser]

Is physical assault on someone for not wearing a mask a ‘hate crime’?

[Asphodel]

I wear mask when I go out, it is not like I am losing something when I wear a mask. I also do cleaning with garden hose https://totalguide.org/best-garden-hose/ in our own place just to make sure everything is clean and disinfected everyday or every other day.

[blueeyes]

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[blueeyes]

^^^^ Now that is a political move if I ever saw one.

Along with his lone address on updating us about COVID today.

Someone is worried about his re election.

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[rockgremlin]

Someone is worried about his re election.




:roflol::roflmao1::toofunny::lol::bwahaha::lol2::r oll_lol:


Tell me another hilarious joke. Trump is a troller. He loves to troll and watch the idiots lose their minds.

You honestly believe Trump is shaking in his boots from an almost-octogenarian who can't find the salad bar let alone the White House?

[Iceaxe]

^^^^ Now that is a political move if I ever saw one.

Along with his lone address on updating us about COVID today.

Someone is worried about his re election.

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Political move "yes"... worried about the election "no"...

Did you actually watch the news conference??? Trump was at his best... he stuck to script... stated all the facts, figures and stated what the Fed was doing... Very Presidential....

and then...

Trump proceeded to troll CNN before he figuratively kick the shit out of Jim Acosta on national TV. Next he made Acosta mud wrestle on the floor with some poor female WH intern, who also kicked his ass... It was Trump at his best...

But since you obviously only follow mainstream media I'm sure you missed all the fun.

[blueeyes]

:roflol::roflmao1::toofunny:[emoji38]:bwahaha:[emoji38]2::roll_lol:


Tell me another hilarious joke. Trump is a troller. He loves to troll and watch the idiots lose their minds.

You honestly believe Trump is shaking in his boots from an almost-octogenarian who can't find the salad bar let alone the White House?Honestly I don't really give a shit. I think i have made it pretty clear on here I don't like either least of all Trump.

But standing up there today...by himself...none of his other experts.

I agree he is a troll and so am I with that post. Thx for amusing me.

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[Byron]

I think it's funny how some people around here (blueeyes and jman in particular) will post these things that declare Trump supporters as blindly loyal mindless minions. I can't tell if they're trolling, joking or quite serious. Probably a combo of all three?

Consider this...we can clearly see the degradation of civility within many major cities. It's pretty intense and it's being broadcast on a daily basis because it's happening on a daily basis. One stupid man made a stupid mistake and killed George Floyd and as a result, dozens of people have died in "retaliation"...all in the name of...justice? Not to mention the destruction and the stress layed upon the minds of MILLIONS in our country that are seriously worried about the future of our lives. Their children's future. It's really heavy and there's no denying it.

So the upcoming election seems to be of paramount importance. On one hand we have Trump and on the other we have Biden. That's it, period. Jesus isn't going to come down from the clouds and make everything better, no "miracle" person is going to show up and make everything right. It's Don or Joe...take your pick.

So if you're vote is going to Trump, you're a conglomeration of any number of horrible things...a mindless minion. But if you've voting for Joe...then you represent hope and (apparently) the belief that he will bring calmness and stability to these race, gender and sexual issues in particular. I reckon Joe is going to buddy up with our friends the Chinese, make peace with our wonderful friends in Europe that so enjoy f*cking us right up the ass and lay down some real pain on those dastardly Russians.

So all these anarchist (oh, I'm sorry..."peaceful PROTESTERS) are going to exhale a sign of relief and stop the violence? We'll "defund" the police or something acceptable along those lines to those making the demands? Simply electing someone with a "D" after their name is going to make it all better?

Some may actually believe that. Just get rid of Trump and everybody will calm down. Just get rid of that asshole and we can start from scratch. My opinion is that those with TDS are firmly in that camp...but those that have a basic understanding of common sense know better.

This election is Chamberlain vs. Churchill...and we all know what would have happened if the results of that were reversed. Appeasement to those who would laugh while slitting your throats is hardly the right thing to do.

Don or Joe...take your pick.

[jman]

I think it's funny how some people around here (blueeyes and jman in particular) will post these things that declare Trump supporters as blindly loyal mindless minions. I can't tell if they're trolling, joking or quite serious. Probably a combo of all three?

Consider this...we can clearly see the degradation of civility within many major cities. It's pretty intense and it's being broadcast on a daily basis because it's happening on a daily basis. One stupid man made a stupid mistake and killed George Floyd and as a result, dozens of people have died in "retaliation"...all in the name of...justice? Not to mention the destruction and the stress layed upon the minds of MILLIONS in our country that are seriously worried about the future of our lives. Their children's future. It's really heavy and there's no denying it.

So the upcoming election seems to be of paramount importance. On one hand we have Trump and on the other we have Biden. That's it, period. Jesus isn't going to come down from the clouds and make everything better, no "miracle" person is going to show up and make everything right. It's Don or Joe...take your pick.

So if you're vote is going to Trump, you're a conglomeration of any number of horrible things...a mindless minion. But if you've voting for Joe...then you represent hope and (apparently) the belief that he will bring calmness and stability to these race, gender and sexual issues in particular. I reckon Joe is going to buddy up with our friends the Chinese, make peace with our wonderful friends in Europe that so enjoy f*cking us right up the ass and lay down some real pain on those dastardly Russians.

So all these anarchist (oh, I'm sorry..."peaceful PROTESTERS) are going to exhale a sign of relief and stop the violence? We'll "defund" the police or something acceptable along those lines to those making the demands? Simply electing someone with a "D" after their name is going to make it all better?

Some may actually believe that. Just get rid of Trump and everybody will calm down. Just get rid of that asshole and we can start from scratch. My opinion is that those with TDS are firmly in that camp...but those that have a basic understanding of common sense know better.

This election is Chamberlain vs. Churchill...and we all know what would have happened if the results of that were reversed. Appeasement to those who would laugh while slitting your throats is hardly the right thing to do.

Don or Joe...take your pick.

All of the above. [emoji106]

You are exactly right, it will be between two people and I’ll do like I did last time, vote who I think will do the best. Last time it was Trump and this time it will be him again.

Just because i throw a little heat on bad orange man doesn’t mean I outright dismiss him and some of the things he has done.

Don’t worry, I’ve “attacked” him and defended him many times against coworkers. I try to be the objective voice since everyone is entrenched into either political side. Personally I wish there wasn’t “sides”. Like pro-Trump or anti-trump. Why does it have to be all in or nothing? Can’t I vote for him but still critique some of the things he says and does?

I can’t be in the uber pro-Trump party that some are and be so blind to their allegiance that they would eat a sh*t sandwich just so that they can exhale their breath on liberals. (I wish that was my quote but I heard that at work the other day and died laughing when I heard it).


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[Iceaxe]

Just out of curiosity I've asked some of my liberal friends what they plan to do this election... the overwhelming answer has been... the Democrats have left me no choice, I have to vote Trump... these are people that despise Trump.

[accadacca]

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[blueeyes]

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[rockgremlin]

All of the above. [emoji106]

You are exactly right, it will be between two people and I’ll do like I did last time, vote who I think will do the best. Last time it was Trump and this time it will be him again.

Just because i throw a little heat on bad orange man doesn’t mean I outright dismiss him and some of the things he has done.

Don’t worry, I’ve “attacked” him and defended him many times against coworkers. I try to be the objective voice since everyone is entrenched into either political side. Personally I wish there wasn’t “sides”. Like pro-Trump or anti-trump. Why does it have to be all in or nothing? Can’t I vote for him but still critique some of the things he says and does?

I can’t be in the uber pro-Trump party that some are and be so blind to their allegiance that they would eat a sh*t sandwich just so that they can exhale their breath on liberals. (I wish that was my quote but I heard that at work the other day and died laughing when I heard it).


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Beautifully stated. Agree 100%. :2thumbs:

[DirkHammergate]

I think its time for me to submit a highly emotional, not checking the facts, fake news kind of post.

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/three-weeks-after-mask-order-salt-lake-county-sees-first-major-infection-decrease

Oh wait, wait, its from a Fox New subsidiary.

(https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/three-weeks-after-mask-order-salt-lake-county-sees-first-major-infection-decrease)

[Byron]

Can’t I vote for him but still critique some of the things he says and does?




Nice post....and of course you can criticize him. I do, too...heck, you can even see some of his supporters behind him at rallies cringing sometimes! The guy is like a bull in a china shop, no doubt about that.

One side or the other, all or nothing, pro-Trump anti-Trump...it's like that every single election when it's an R vs D...for some. Maybe a lot.

Personally, I've chosen my side and it's just so much more fun to point and laugh at the knuckleheads on the other side careening around all over the place.

I'd likely throw down some "likes" on liberal memes, too...if they existed.

[blueeyes]

Political move "yes"... worried about the election "no"...

Did you actually watch the news conference??? Trump was at his best... he stuck to script... stated all the facts, figures and stated what the Fed was doing... Very Presidential....

and then...

Trump proceeded to troll CNN before he figuratively kick the shit out of Jim Acosta on national TV. Next he made Acosta mud wrestle on the floor with some poor female WH intern, who also kicked his ass... It was Trump at his best...

But since you obviously only follow mainstream media I'm sure you missed all the fun.

Yes Ice I actully watched him. He was uncharacteristically perfectly scripted with none of his bullshit ad lib where he talks in circles and makes no sense. Until he takes questions. Then you see the real Trump. I don't have TV I watch my news through YouTube a smidgen of all the networks and their clips. Or I read articles. I bet you watch more mainstream news than I do. Also I am always open to different news sources. Suggest away.

I think my favorite moment is when he wished Maxwell well. Hmmm

Major news story and he says he knows nothing about it and wishes a pedophile well. So upstanding and neighborly of him. That is the kind of president I want. [emoji849]

It absolutely amazes me how you guys seem to have a bromance with Trump. To me that is worse than being his minion.

I didn't watch whatever it is you are talking about him figuratively kicking the shit out of Acosta. That must have been after the briefing? And I am not sure I care or should. But you obviously find value in it.




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[Iceaxe]

First off supporting Trump is simple, because my only other choice is to support a guy with dementia that wants to cripple our military, defund law enforcement, supports the new green deal and embraces socialism and the new world order... Trump is not my champion of choice, he is just the only option I have.

If you didn't watch the complete WH briefing live you didn't watch the event. Instead you we're presented with clips and sound bites to support one agenda or another. I know this to be fact because you missed Acosta making a total ass of himself... again... while he attempted to grandstand in the middle of the event. There is no way you could miss it if you were properly informed.

/End Discussion

[Byron]

I think my favorite moment is when he wished Maxwell well. Hmmm

Major news story and he says he knows nothing about it and wishes a pedophile well. So upstanding and neighborly of him. That is the kind of president I want. [emoji849]

He said that because Epstein got whacked and he hopes it doesn't happen to her as well...at least not before she can spill the beans...if she does.

Of course, his little tongue-in-cheek comment was twisted against him by the liberal media. It hardly means he's going to give her a pardon.

The "bromance" with Trump?...for many, it's simply a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea, along with the fact that he is definitely conservative, which in itself is appealing to millions of people.

"The Devil And The Deep Blue Sea"...meaning you must chose between one of two rotten choices. In this case it's Don or Joe, take your pick.

[blueeyes]

He said that because Epstein got whacked and he hopes it doesn't happen to her as well...at least not before she can spill the beans...if she does.

Of course, his little tongue-in-cheek comment was twisted against him by the liberal media. It hardly means he's going to give her a pardon.

The "bromance" with Trump?...for many, it's simply a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea, along with the fact that he is definitely conservative, which in itself is appealing to millions of people.

"The Devil And The Deep Blue Sea"...meaning you must chose between one of two rotten choices. In this case it's Don or Joe, take your pick.

I don't have to pick either. Granted that means my vote is wasted. Another reason to get rid if this ridiculous 2 party system.

I also don't give a shit what the liberal media has to say. My opinions of Trump and what he does is just that MY opinions based off of MY own homework and what I have seen of that buffoon over the years.

Trump is not conservative...he is a player and a troll. He does what he thinks will work for him and that is it. If it benefits Trump, he will do it. He is a self serving man, always has been and always will be. He doesn't really give a rats ass about America. Just likes to hear you all say make a America Great Again. He has been an Independent and a Democrat right now at this moment it serves him best to play upto the Republicans. And Republicans gullible amd desperate to go with it. Can't seem to produce someone better so why not.



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[blueeyes]

First off supporting Trump is simple, because my only other choice is to support a guy with dementia that wants to cripple our military, defund law enforcement, supports the new green deal and embraces socialism and the new world order... Trump is not my champion of choice, he is just the only option I have.

If you didn't watch the complete WH briefing live you didn't watch the event. Instead you we're presented with clips and sound bites to support one agenda or another. I know this to be fact because you missed Acosta making a total ass of himself... again... while he attempted to grandstand in the middle of the event. There is no way you could miss it if you were properly informed.

/End DiscussionIce all I was watching was a live video and listened to him update what was going on about the pandemic. If his roasting of acosta happened after he wished the pedophile well... i did miss it because that is when I decided the news conference was over.

Basically all I know about trump and acosta is acosta is reporter that trump hates. Probably because acosta likes irritating him. Trump seems to be easily irritated by anyone that doesn't go along with him so honestly i don't care.

Again you watch way more mainstream media than I do..

It is a sad day to me when I hear so many Americans say I don't like either choice but I have to pick one.

That is messed up. Are we not smarter than this as Americans? Legitimately why the hell are we putting up with this circus?

We have people that would make much better candidates than then two choices we currently have. But no here we go again people picking what they feel is the best out of a worst case scenario.

That is wrong. I won't do it. Think of me what you like. I will not support either choice. I will vote.



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[Iceaxe]

Your Trump is not a Conservative arguement doesn't hold water if you actually follow politics and understand what Trump and McConnell have done to the Federal court system.

They have set the Federal courts on a strong conservative path that will take the Liberals at least a generation to reverse. Trump has appointed a record number of conservative Federal judges.

As of July 12, 2020, the Senate has confirmed 200 Article III judges nominated by Trump, including 2 Supreme Court Justices, 53 judges for the court of appeals the, 143 judges for District Courts, and 2 judges for International trade. Trump should get another 45 Judges into office before his first term expires. These are all conservative judges. Those numbers are record setting and extremely impressive. Presidents last 4 years, judges are forever.

The fact that you don't know this or seem to understand exactly what it means tells me you either don't understand what Trump and McConnell have done or that you let your contempt for Trump cloud your vision.

[Iceaxe]

It is a sad day to me when I hear so many Americans say I don't like either choice but I have to pick one.

This is nothing new and is how American politics have always been. Do you understand that Lincoln, now considered one of the greatest presidents ever, was more despised and hated in his time then Trump is? The media at the time, for the most part, treated Lincoln worse then they treat Trump doing the exact same things they do to Trump like misquoting and taking out of context.

Lincoln was elected to office after receiving only 40% of the popular vote. Lincoln would have been thrilled with Trumps numbers.

Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it.

[Sombeech]

For those that think Trump is a bumbling idiot, you're getting trolled. The dude is a master chess player Every move, like that tweet and picture of him wearing a mask now, was planned out. You don't become one of the most successful (not just wealthiest) men in the world by being an idiot. A lot of the wealthiest guys can be puppets of some ruling group, but not Trump. In fact that's what they were going for with the whole failed Russia thing, turned out they were projecting everything the Clintons did. Trump has negotiated his whole life. He's played the game.

Do you see how people reacted to Trump's mask post?

And by the way, Trump isn't worried about the election. If mail in voting is monitored and not cheated with by the Dems, he's got this in his sleep.

Speaking of sleep, this can't be their guy. Something is going to happen to this guy. How could Trump ever compete with this guy

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[blueeyes]

For those that think Trump is a bumbling idiot, you're getting trolled. The dude is a master chess player Every move, like that tweet and picture of him wearing a mask now, was planned out. You don't become one of the most successful (not just wealthiest) men in the world by being an idiot. A lot of the wealthiest guys can be puppets of some ruling group, but not Trump. In fact that's what they were going for with the whole failed Russia thing, turned out they were projecting everything the Clintons did. Trump has negotiated his whole life. He's played the game.

Do you see how people reacted to Trump's mask post?

And by the way, Trump isn't worried about the election. If mail in voting is monitored and not cheated with by the Dems, he's got this in his sleep.

Speaking of sleep, this can't be their guy. Something is going to happen to this guy. How could Trump ever compete with this guy

95104I don't think he is a bumbling idiot. I think he is an ass. Obviously very good at manipulation.

He is no master chess player or he wouldn't have 6 bankruptcies under his belt. Sure he has business success because of daddy's money. That man couldn't survive a month by himself. Put him working a regular everyday job, in an average single person home. No one to help him. He wouldn't survive 30 days before he screamed uncle. I have zero respect for the man.

Of course the mask photo was planned.

And in my opinion he did it because he is worried. It makes me laugh.


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[Sombeech]

Sure he has business success because of daddy's money.

You do know it was a loan, right? Just like getting a loan from any other source.

I'm not sure why people have a problem with that, or mock the loan his father gave him. Instead they celebrate people that inherit wealth without working for it. The guy gave jobs to tens of thousands of people.

He is an ass, I'll agree with you. Or you can say he's got the balls to do/say what we've all been wanting for decades. I remember 20 years ago being frustrated with our politicians, saying "why are they letting them get away with this?" Now we've got the guy in there kicking some ass, and it's just what we needed.

Sure he's orange, he's arrogant and he takes the long way to say a sentence. I don't need to be attracted to him for it to work. But if we get past the superficial stuff to what actually matters, he built one hell of an economy and is already doing it again.

The economy crash this year took us all the way down, WAY DOWN to Obama's high point.

[DirkHammergate]

You do know it was a loan, right? Just like getting a loan from any other source.

I'm not sure why people have a problem with that, or mock the loan his father gave him. Instead they celebrate people that inherit wealth without working for it. The guy gave jobs to tens of thousands of people.

He is an ass, I'll agree with you. Or you can say he's got the balls to do/say what we've all been wanting for decades. I remember 20 years ago being frustrated with our politicians, saying "why are they letting them get away with this?" Now we've got the guy in there kicking some ass, and it's just what we needed.

Sure he's orange, he's arrogant and he takes the long way to say a sentence. I don't need to be attracted to him for it to work. But if we get past the superficial stuff to what actually matters, he built one hell of an economy and is already doing it again.

The economy crash this year took us all the way down, WAY DOWN to Obama's high point.

I like it when you liter half truths and talk all Orangy to me.

[Sombeech]

I like it when you liter half truths and talk all Orangy to me.Sorry to trigger you, if I knew you were lurking I would have taken it easy.

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[rockgremlin]

And by the way, Trump isn't worried about the election.

Yes, he is. Trump is TERRIFIED of this guy:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADDrSvNyqEY



When I was in junior high I got the unfortunate experience of watching my grandmother slowly succumb to Alzheimer's disease. I was on very good terms with my grandma, and it sucked to watch her brain slowly get consumed until she eventually didn't recognize me. I see my grandma's speech and actions in many of the things that Biden says and does. It's really alarming -- alarming because nobody is addressing it. What the Democrats are doing with Joe Biden is straight up elder abuse in my opinion.

And as far as being in a "Bromance" with Trump -- I'll echo what has already been said: Trump is the best of a bad situation. To be brutally honest, I was rooting for Tulsi Gabbard. I would've voted for her if Queen Hillary wouldn't have blackballed her and publicly called her a "secret agent for Russia." :roll::facepalm1:

[Sombeech]

, I was rooting for Tulsi Gabbard.

Honestly I thought Tulsi would have been a decent competition for Trump, much better than Biden.

[Iceaxe]

He is no master chess player or he wouldn't have 6 bankruptcies under his belt.

Your lack of knowledge astounds me. Last time I checked Trump owned 600 something companies and less then a dozen had claimed bankruptcy. As any business owner will tell you that is an amazing success rate. Not to mention that in business claiming bankruptcy is sometimes the smart move. If the company is not going to succeed claiming bankruptcy allows you an exit without personal debt.

You need to stop drinking the blue Koolaid and take a minute to actually educate yourself. Many of your "dislikes" of Trump are nothing but the well documented Democratic talking points that have been proven time and again to be inaccurate or false.

[Iceaxe]

Honestly I thought Tulsi would have been a decent competition for Trump, much better than Biden.
Ditto... she was by far the best Democratic candidate and perhaps the best candidate in the election. Unfortunately for Tulsi she crossed Hillary in 2016 by pointing out she really was crooked. In return Hillary sent a broadside of torpedoes into Tulsi's campaign. My favorite was when Hillary declared Tulsi to be a Russian agent, where have we heard that before.

[Iceaxe]

Pro Tip - Whenever I want to quickly know what type a person a man really is I look at his children.

I challenge you to run this test against any man you respect.

I challenge you to run this test against Trump, Biden or Clinton and get back to me.

[Byron]

Yes, he is. Trump is TERRIFIED of this guy:

:facepalm1:Sorry Rock...I could only get 4 and a half minutes in and I couldn't take it anymore. He's being used up like a two dollar whore.

And this is who ended up on top...can you say "corruption"?...all those other so called candidates never had a chance. I'd love to know exactly who's pulling the strings behind this guy. If he wins, I reckon we'll find out, eh? But if he loses, they'll still be there.

What we're witnessing right now is the apex of the "resistance". Ugly as hell, isn't it? I wonder what they'll do when they have to suck up another 4 years of Trump? Suicide bombers?

[Sombeech]

Cameras off, masks off

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[Byron]

Cameras off, masks off

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Sent from my SM-G975U using TapatalkWhat a load...and the liberal media fawn over this guy like he hung the moon. I can understand why Trump hired him in the first place...but it really should have been just a short term contract, IMO. His usefulness is over.

This is exactly why I say...everyone's been "warned", everyone knows what the deal is...open your business or not, open it 100% or have limits, go to school, don't go to school...wear a mask, don't wear a mask. Whatever floats your boat.

Let people decide for themselves if they want to hide in a hole and only come out in a hazmat suit...or not, if they so desire.

Whenever I see the high shaking heads pulling this bullshit I go the opposite direction in spite of them. Show me, don't tell me...Mr. Two Face.

[Sombeech]

I think it shows Trump's strategy, keeping Fauci on. It's not Trump discrediting Fauci, it's the public, and Trump didn't need to do anything but let the dude run wild.

And the media won't ask their gotcha questions to Trump asking "your trusted advisor Fauci has been spotted multiple times removing his mask and not social distancing" because they love the guy, and Birx. They wish it was a Republican but damnit all to hell it's one of their guys. shit shit shit

[accadacca]

Crazy stories in this article...LOL

Utah retail clerk shares horror stories about enforcing mask policy

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/7/23/21335872/utah-retail-clerk-shares-horror-stories-about-enforcing-mask-policy

[Iceaxe]

Do as I say....
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[accadacca]

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[Iceaxe]

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[BasinCruiser]

Long pants: who needed them.

Gloves: who needs them.

Body armor: who needs it.

Helmets: who needs it.

Face diaper: check.

Glad to see this couple being safe, protecting others with their masks.

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[BasinCruiser]

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[blueeyes]

95112That looks like John Travolta not Nicholas Cage.

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[oldno7]

That looks like John Travolta not Nicholas Cage.

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Sounds like a"Face-Off"

[blueeyes]

Sounds like a"Face-Off"[emoji1787] I forgot about that movie.

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[blueeyes]

Your lack of knowledge astounds me. Last time I checked Trump owned 600 something companies and less then a dozen had claimed bankruptcy. As any business owner will tell you that is an amazing success rate. Not to mention that in business claiming bankruptcy is sometimes the smart move. If the company is not going to succeed claiming bankruptcy allows you an exit without personal debt.

You need to stop drinking the blue Koolaid and take a minute to actually educate yourself. Many of your "dislikes" of Trump are nothing but the well documented Democratic talking points that have been proven time and again to be inaccurate or false.

I don't find bankruptcy to be an option Ice. You fail you fail. Bankruptcy is the easy way out for people who don't want to take responsibility for stupid choices. One bankruptcy fine...hope you learned something and it shouldn't happen again. 6 you are working the system and is ridiculous in my book. I don't give a shit how many successful businesses you have.

When you create a business to teach people to make money and it is nothing more than a fraudulent way for yourself to make money and then when people figure out it is all a sham. Oh you declare bankruptcy. Take the money and run. Welcome to Trump University. Trump is a crook. He has always been a crook and shady character in my book. I don't need blue kool-aid to point out the obvious.

I love how you assume I get my information from the blue kool-aid. Another thing don't give a shit about.

That man is a conartist. He is very good at it.

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[Iceaxe]

^^^As I said... your lack of knowledge astounds me.... after you've owned and operated a couple of successful companies for several years you get back to me and we'll talk...

[dougrz]

I don't find bankruptcy to be an option Ice. You fail you fail. Bankruptcy is the easy way out for people who don't want to take responsibility for stupid choices

Blue, I have no argument with your contending Trump's biz record. But bankruptcy must be filed in almost every case. If there are creditors, the legal system has to sort out who gets what. By definition here, creditors' demands exceed what's available. No other way to solve the competing demands.

[rockgremlin]

I don't find bankruptcy to be an option Ice. You fail you fail. Bankruptcy is the easy way out for people who don't want to take responsibility for stupid choices. One bankruptcy fine...hope you learned something and it shouldn't happen again. 6 you are working the system and is ridiculous in my book. I don't give a shit how many successful businesses you have.

When you create a business to teach people to make money and it is nothing more than a fraudulent way for yourself to make money and then when people figure out it is all a sham. Oh you declare bankruptcy. Take the money and run. Welcome to Trump University. Trump is a crook. He has always been a crook and shady character in my book. I don't need blue kool-aid to point out the obvious.

I love how you assume I get my information from the blue kool-aid. Another thing don't give a shit about.

That man is a conartist. He is very good at it.

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Wow. Tell us how you really feel.

Bankruptcy is a dirty word to anybody who doesn't understand it. But in the business world it's pretty commonplace. I worked for a company that went bankrupt. They later restructured with a different corporate management team and came through the other end a viable, successful company. But it had to go through the bankruptcy courts to enable that to happen. Nothing insidious or sinister about it. That's just how business is done.

Think of a corporate bankruptcy as a "restructuring" - there's nothing sinister or crooked about it.

[dougrz]

I think blue's complaints about bk do apply to the old personal bk system. It had become a piggy bank to simply erase debt.

Biz bk has never been that. It's to place creditors in either a hierarchy or to establish % payout or to legally change debt dates or terms to allow continued operation or orderly wind down. It's a way to peacefully settle insolvency.

[Iceaxe]

But you guys are forgetting to factor Blues blind hated of Trump into the equation... silly ponies....

[BasinCruiser]

Glad she’s wearing a mask.


http://www.facebook.com/100007976345621/posts/2718795131729672/?

[Byron]

I don't have to pick either. Granted that means my vote is wasted. Another reason to get rid if this ridiculous 2 party system.

I think a lot of people have this idealized notion of awesome human beings that reign above us without fault. "Why can't someone that's a cross between James Bond and Cary Grant run for President?"...which is probably not the greatest analogy considering Bond's sexual aggressiveness would probably be a dealbreaker...but I think you get the idea.

Well, there's an old saying...You can wish in one hand and shit in the other. See which one fills up quicker.

The reason why none of the other boys around here express a desire for such a person, or anyone else for that matter to ride in to the rescue is because it simply isn't going to happen. You have to focus on what's sitting on the table right in front of your friggin' face.

If Jesus himself came back they'd crucify his ass all over again. Although I'm not a religious guy and I have nothing against Jesus...I'd say the whole point of his story as we know it was just that. 2000 years ago people that could write it down pretty much had people figured out. "Kill your hero's".

Not trying to give you a hard time, Blueeyes...but one of these two men will call the shots, period. I think most of us (myself included) would appreciate it if things were a hell of a lot different, but they aren't. It's a choice for many between the devil and the deep blue sea...and many can choose to opt out simply out of disgust or if they think it really doesn't matter either way...

A lot of the guys around here think it does matter...it matters VERY much.

[rockgremlin]

Glad she’s wearing a mask.


http://www.facebook.com/100007976345621/posts/2718795131729672/?


LOL -- that's a hot piece of @$$. Gotta cool it down somehow. :roflol:

[BasinCruiser]

Ok. If I have to wear one, I want this one. It actually cooked with a full filter system.

95118

[devo_stevo]

How to make friends and influence your enemies.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/swastika-masks-walmart-bans-minnesota-couple-seen-in-video-wearing-nazi-swastikas-on-their-face-coverings/ar-BB17fDFj?li=BBnbfcL

[DirkHammergate]

How to make friends and influence your enemies.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/swastika-masks-walmart-bans-minnesota-couple-seen-in-video-wearing-nazi-swastikas-on-their-face-coverings/ar-BB17fDFj?li=BBnbfcL


Wait, wait... There are some very fine people on both sides here...

[Byron]

Wait, wait... There are some very fine people on both sides here...Well heck...I might buy me one of those. Just because I'm not supposed to. Excellent triggering device.

[blueeyes]

Well heck...I might buy me one of those. Just because I'm not supposed to. Excellent triggering device.Apparently so is puking at the afterlife supporting the current president.

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[Byron]

Apparently so is puking at the afterlife supporting the current president.

Oh heck...just about anything and everything in the world can go both ways. Besides, the "afterlife" in that picture is missing one very crucial person...God himself.

Or herself, if you prefer.

[Iceaxe]

I have a rebel flag mask I wear... it has yet to get me banned but the social justice warriors can't help but say something... it's fun :-)

[DirkHammergate]

Well heck...I might buy me one of those. Just because I'm not supposed to. Excellent triggering device.

I did like the dude on the video's question to them... "Didn't we fight a war of this shit?"

This is where I pretty much say that its America, if they want to wear that, well, it's America so they can. Maybe they don't know the context, maybe they do. What's 6 million Jews anyway? They probably faked it.

[blueeyes]

I have a rebel flag mask I wear... it has yet to get me banned but the social justice warriors can't help but say something... it's fun :-)I call BS on that. You don't wear a mask. Not your thing.

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[accadacca]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200728/b83ecadbe6cb399ea7011775fa6d5b3e.jpg

[Byron]

I did like the dude on the video's question to them... "Didn't we fight a war of this shit?"

Yes we did. And we kicked the snot out them, too.

Personally, I like the comment the female made..."This is what will happen if Biden is elected. We're living in a socialist state, this is where we're heading".

The prescription of the reality googles can be quite different amongst us, eh? Millions of Germans stood by and did nothing while genocide occurred all around them...can it happen again? Sure it can. To me, that is exactly what this couple is afraid of...and they're going to vote for the man that THEY think will stop it. Others may think they're voting FOR it...so be it.

The symbol itself carries a lot of meanings. Your landlord can be a Nazi, but isn't a Nazi. How about the "Soup Nazi"?

Line up, ladies and gentleman...and pick your outrage.

[Iceaxe]

I call BS on that. You don't wear a mask. Not your thing.

Unfortunately I live in Salt Lake County and wearing a face covering is mandated and unavoidable is some situations... from the door of the bar/restaurant to your table for example. It's a good thing Covid can't attack you in a bar once you are seated....

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200728/bd3550f244e1e11ad8b3ba1c6f776251.jpg

[blueeyes]

Unfortunately I live in Salt Lake County and wearing a face covering is mandated and unavoidable is some situations... from the door of the bar/restaurant to your table for example. It's a good thing Covid can't attack you in a bar once you are seated....

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200728/bd3550f244e1e11ad8b3ba1c6f776251.jpgThat just looks like red white blue. Not fully displaying the rebel flag. You can do better.

Good thing that COVID can't get you in a bar once you are seated at the table.


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[Iceaxe]

I'll tie it for you better next time to display better.... I honestly don't put much time into my face covering, 99% of the time it's around my neck.

[DirkHammergate]

Personally, I like the comment the female made..."This is what will happen if Biden is elected. We're living in a socialist state, this is where we're heading".

Says the women who wore the most iconic fascist symbol in modern history. I actually laughed out loud at that one. Was pretty funny in a "look at me, I'm a moron" kinda way.

Also, when I think Joe Biden, genocide isn't the first thing that pops into my head. A nap maybe?? Certainly not genocide.

[Iceaxe]

Hahaha...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200729/75b7e5338aef51cac0d0718a13b1479b.jpg

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48896/203_jpg-1520836.JPG

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48896/220_jpg-1523934.JPG

[Sombeech]

This is clearly somebody that doesn't wear a mask everyday


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raV2Ua1xeHc

[DirkHammergate]

It's common practice when speaking to de-mask with people 6 to 10 feet away. My hospital CEO and administrators walk up to the podium, de-mask, and address during their teleconferences. Then they put the mask on after the speech.

But yeah, technically they aren't covering. Can't really say the same for hundreds of people on Saturday at the Sandy Home Depot. Half had wife beaters on too. Super good look.

[BasinCruiser]

‘Effective’ mask wearing into Walmart. :roflol:


http://www.facebook.com/ericmoutsos/videos/10157502749279352/?extid=0ecfLME3U3PObRUg&d=n

[blueeyes]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=x6cTDGqcUpA

Amusing.

I like his experiment style. [emoji1787] Must say I am a bit more impressed with a surgical mask. He should do this with cloth masks.

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[BasinCruiser]

Oh great. Now we’re going to be forced to wear goggles, too.


95121

https://www.rt.com/usa/496578-fauci-coronavirus-eye-protection/

[BasinCruiser]

‘Trust the experts’.


95126

[blueeyes]

‘Trust the experts’.


95126Anyone can photoshop anything.

SCL is in Colorado and Montana

This is from one if their hospitals pages on COVID-19

Masks
SCL Health follows guidelines on masks from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and local health agencies. The CDC has suggested the use of masks to help limit the spread of COVID-19. All of our hospital staff will wear masks. We will also require patients and any visitors to bring and wear a clean mask while in our hospitals.

Here is the link. There is not a hospital in this country that isn't advocating the use of masks.

https://www.sclhealth.org/patients-visitors/covid-19-update-protecting-your-health/



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[blueeyes]

https://youtu.be/o3Qw7gE1RW8

Oh look here is another one from SCL. A doc talking to news professional.

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[blueeyes]

And another from SCL

Article about hospital personnel making masks for the hospital and patients and whoever walks through the hospital doors.

https://www.sclhealth.org/news/2020/04/hrh-mask-making/

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[rockgremlin]

‘Effective’ mask wearing into Walmart. :roflol:


http://www.facebook.com/ericmoutsos/videos/10157502749279352/?extid=0ecfLME3U3PObRUg&d=n


"Oh I can breathe so much better with this N96 mask..." :roflol::roflol:

[DirkHammergate]

Maybe Herme should have wore a mask at the Tulsa rally.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/herman-cain-death-coronavirus-age-cause-hospital-covid-update-a9646186.html

Trump basically manslaughtered this moron. President Manslaughter now wants to delay the election.... hilarious stuff.

[Sombeech]

Maybe Herme should have wore a mask at the Tulsa rally.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/herman-cain-death-coronavirus-age-cause-hospital-covid-update-a9646186.html

Trump basically manslaughtered this moron. President Manslaughter now wants to delay the election.... hilarious stuff.Ummm, yeah Cain had stage 4 colon cancer. This goes to show the idiots will tie covid 19 to any death.

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[rockgremlin]

Maybe Herme should have wore a mask at the Tulsa rally.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/herman-cain-death-coronavirus-age-cause-hospital-covid-update-a9646186.html

Trump basically manslaughtered this moron. President Manslaughter now wants to delay the election.... hilarious stuff.

Really? :facepalm1:

Somebody dying of stage 4 colon cancer is "hilarious"? Regardless of the prognosis, death is never "hilarious".

[Iceaxe]

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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200730/d4c92f09296a65082646c9bf54bc0238.jpg

[DirkHammergate]

Really? :facepalm1:

Somebody dying of stage 4 colon cancer is "hilarious"? Regardless of the prognosis, death is never "hilarious".

I was referring to the President Manslaughter's tweet about delaying the election. My bad, I can see how I was saying Herme's death was hilarious because he got Corona virus while attending the Tulsa rally. That's not hilarious.

[DirkHammergate]

Ummm, yeah Cain had stage 4 colon cancer. This goes to show the idiots will tie covid 19 to any death.

So if he didn't go to the Tulsa rally and contract Corona virus he'd be dead right now anyway, right?

Why is a guy with stage 4 colon cancer going to a Covid infested rally in the first place?

[blueeyes]

So if he didn't go to the Tulsa rally and contract Corona virus he'd be dead right now anyway, right?

Why is a guy with stage 4 colon cancer going to a Covid infested rally in the first place?So Beech can prove his conspiracy theories. It was all planned.

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[DirkHammergate]

So Beech can prove his conspiracy theories. It was all planned.

Died from beating stage 4 colon cancer from 2006/07, not from contracting Corona virus. I should have known coming from Beech I could just Google this in 2 seconds and find his liberal use and application of facts to reason.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/30/former-presidential-candidate-herman-cain-dies-from-coronavirus-at-74/#2765d9717888


KEY FACTS
Cain initially tested positive for Covid-19 back on June 29, nine days after attending a rally for President Donald Trump in Tulsa, Oklahoma (https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/07/02/herman-cain-hospitalized-with-covid-19-after-attending-trump-tulsa-rally-maskless/#5f6b20b33e6b) (Cain served as co-chair of Black Voices for Trump).



Cain, who had been diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer in 2006, developed symptoms severe enough to warrant hospitalization (https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/07/02/herman-cain-hospitalized-with-covid-19-after-attending-trump-tulsa-rally-maskless/#5f6b20b33e6b) two days after his initial Covid-19 diagnosis.

So if I die from contracting Corona virus I want my cause of death to be officially listed as "Chicken Pox - contracted 1987, not Corona virus contracted 3 weeks ago"

[Sombeech]

I could actually feel your panic from way over here when you realized he had cancer and you had to Google frantically for an explanation. That was intense.

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[blueeyes]

I could actually feel your panic from way over here when you realized he had cancer and you had to Google frantically for an explanation. That was intense.

Sent from my SM-G975U using TapatalkNothing wrong with facts. Sadly too many people don't bother looking up the facts and post garbage.

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[DirkHammergate]

I could actually feel your panic from way over here when you realized he had cancer and you had to Google frantically for an explanation. That was intense.

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Ahhh, yeah, not really because of your track record. It's pretty lazy to say the least.

Sorta like my first reaction was like "hey, wait, I would have known that fact...."

Google Search "Oh, yeah, 2006... yup, Beech"

[BasinCruiser]

Fun science. Do masks work?


https://www.facebook.com/434915150036500/posts/1467917690069569/?vh=e

[Sombeech]

A little longer

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200801/e19283d71179db31e4a7cc76c9939c2f.jpg

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